Palin: God will do the right thing on election day

saveuplife

Cosmo wrote:

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Actually... Bush asked God for guidence on whether we should go on with the invasion of Iraq. Apparently, God's guidence was affirming, hence, the War in Iraq.
Speaking about the run up and decision to wage war with Iraq:
"Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? “I asked the president about this. And President Bush said, ‘Well, no,’ and then he got defensive about it,” says Woodward. “Then he said something that really struck me. He said of his father, ‘He is the wrong father to appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms of strength.’ And then he said, ‘There's a higher Father that I appeal to.’"
Beyond not asking his father about going to war, Woodward was startled to learn that the president did not ask key cabinet members either.
”The president, in making the decision to go to war, did not ask his secretary of defense for an overall recommendation, did not ask his secretary of state, Colin Powell, for his recommendation,” says Woodward.
But the president did ask Rice, his national security adviser, and Karen Hughes, his political communications adviser. Woodward says both supported going to war. And in the run-up to war, Woodward reveals the CIA hired the leaders of a Muslim religious sect at odds with Saddam, but nonetheless with numerous members highly placed in Saddam's security services. The CIA's code name for them: the Rock Stars. "
ref. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/main612067.shtml

Yea, but it's OK for Obama to ask God for guidance. It's just not OK for a Republican to do it.

Consistency is tough sometimes.

heartdesire

saveuplife wrote:

Yea, but it's OK for Obama to ask God for guidance. It's just not OK for a Republican to do it.

Consistency is tough sometimes.

No one is saying it is not ok. It's the manner in which it is done, which you are having a hard time understanding.

Bush is under scrutiny because he started a "senseless" war that he said was directed by God. If and when Obama gets in office and creates such a snafu
he will be under said scrutiny as well.

Cosmo

saveuplife wrote:

Yea, but it's OK for Obama to ask God for guidance. It's just not OK for a Republican to do it.

Consistency is tough sometimes.

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Boy... you just don't get it... do you?
If Obama asks for guidence from God to go to war... that would be okay with you? Because it wouldn't be okay with me. Prayer is not a good form of military strategy in my book.
Guidence from God is not a problem when dealing with personal matters... such as when a parent dies... or to help you decide if getting married is the right choice. But, when it comes to public matters, especially when the lives of other people hang in the balance, it is best to consult experts in the field. That is my assessment. I don't know why I have to keep explaining this to you over and over and over and over again.
You leave me to believe that there is no other alternative but the fact that you just don't get it.
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Now... where's that fuckng IGNORE button? I really could use it.

deadnothingbetter

Cosmo wrote:

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I like our (yours and mine) discussions on Religion and the Bible. I see and understand your points of view and truely respect them. You have always been respectful and gracious in stating your positions and you have presented many valid points. I sincerely respect your manner and appreciate your demeanor.
I have my own views on Religion (not just Christianity) and the Bible (since I admit, I am not fully aware of the Quoran and the Torah). I also know that the Bible has many beautiful passages... but so does the works of Shakespeare, Mozart and Pearl Jam. All written by Man, sometimes (sometimes not) inspired by God. But inspired by some THING... be it Truth, Love or Beauty itself.
I only question the Bible because I question the Men who made the decisions when canonizing it, specifically Bishops in 180 A.D. The Bible was also in the hands of the Church for many Centuries. The Common Man did not possess personal copies and up to the time of Gutenberg in the 1500s... and many years after his invention of the offset printer, was it possible for the Comman Man to possess his own copy. Prior to that, it was read to the Common Man by the Church... who presented their interpretations based upon outlined Church Doctrine.
So... I don't question or doubt or mistrust God... I question, doubt and mistrust Man... specifically Men who preside over us from seats of power.
In today's world... I would like to see ALL of the Holy Texts... including the texts that were reviewed and rejected as heresy... in their entirety. That way, I can make my own, personal, interpretations... instead of having them delivered to me... by another Man.
I do not mean to cause anyone to follow me... believe me. These are MY personal views that are prescribed only for me. I believe the relationship with God is personal, I don't care which path towards God anyone chooses... including the choice not look for God. I will bid you well on your journey. I'm taking my own path.
All I want is the truth... so I and decide for myself and set out on my own path towards God. That's all.

oh, i understand where you're coming from... i just think that your comments about politics would actually get more people to agree with you completely if they didn't list your judgements of the bible. i mean, i get what you're saying... and i agree with you.... but i wouldn't suggest debating about it when it concerns politics. although, i do understand why you provided it in the first place.

other than that, i'm completely on your side on the issue.

stuckinline

McCain guarantees victory

AP – Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., addresses supporters during a campaign rally …
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he can “guarantee” a win on Nov. 4 in a squeaker victory that won’t be clear until late that night.
McCain spoke amid signs of a tightening race, and reports of renewed determination among his staff, which is badly outgunned in both money and manpower.
“I guarantee you that two weeks from now, you will see this has been a very close race, and I believe that I'm going to win it,” McCain told interim "Meet" moderator Tom Brokaw. “We're going to do well in this campaign, my friend. We're going to win it, and it's going to be tight, and we're going to be up late.”
McCain was down just 5 points in the Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released Sunday, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) leading by 49 percent to 44 percent among likely voters in the daily tracking poll, which has a margin of error of 2.9 points.
Reuters reported that Obama's lead has dropped over the last three days after hitting a high of 12 points on Thursday. Pollster John Zogby said: "Things are trending back for McCain. His numbers are rising and Obama's are dropping on a daily basis. There seems to be a direct correlation between this and McCain talking about the economy."
The Washington Post reported Sunday: "nside the McCain campaign the mood remains one of gritty resolve. Top aides know they are behind, but they hold out hope and, like their candidate, stubbornly refuse to give up."
McCain told Brokaw in Waterloo, Iowa, that he feels "like Knute Rockne ... go out there and get one for the Gipper."
“We are very competitive in battleground states," McCain said. "Obviously, I choose to trust my senses as well as polls. The enthusiasm at almost all of our [events] is at a higher level than I've ever seen, and I've been in a lot of presidential campaigns, usually as the warm-up act. ... And I see intensity out there, and I see passion. So we're very competitive.”
McCain added: “We're going to have to just get out our vote, work hard over the next nine days, and make sure that people know that there'll be a better future. People are very worried now — very, very worried, and have every reason to be. I think it's all about who can assure a better future.”
On the endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) by former Secretary of State Colin Powell, McCain said: "I'm disappointed in Gen. Powell, but I'm very, very happy to know that [I'm endorsed by] five former secretaries of states who I admire enormously.”
McCain defended Republican National Committee clothing purchases on behalf of his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Politico revealed during the past week that the RNC spent $150,000 on designer outfits at Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue for the vice presidential nominee and members of her family.
"She lives a frugal life,” he said. “She and her family are not wealthy. She and her family were thrust into this and there was some — and some third of that money is given back. The rest will be donated to charity. ... She is a role model to millions and millions and millions of Americans."
McCain appeared in a gracious mood, saying to Brokaw at the end: "I appreciate your many years of informing the American people. You've come a long way from South Dakota, but you have never forgotten where you come from.”


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14951


god will do the "right" thing on election day

saveuplife

Cosmo wrote:

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Boy... you just don't get it... do you?
If Obama asks for guidence from God to go to war... that would be okay with you? Because it wouldn't be okay with me. Prayer is not a good form of military strategy in my book.
Guidence from God is not a problem when dealing with personal matters... such as when a parent dies... or to help you decide if getting married is the right choice. But, when it comes to public matters, especially when the lives of other people hang in the balance, it is best to consult experts in the field. That is my assessment. I don't know why I have to keep explaining this to you over and over and over and over again.
You leave me to believe that there is no other alternative but the fact that you just don't get it.
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Now... where's that fuckng IGNORE button? I really could use it.

Boo hoo.


If Obama asks for guidance from God on whether to go to war, yes that would be fine with me. I'd be willing to bet every single leader we have ever had has asked for guidance from God by praying before making that very difficult decision.

You continue to act as though prayer (or asking God for guidance) and seeking guidance elsewhere.... are mutually exclusive. So, in your frame of thinking, one can either seek guidance from a higher power OR seek it from advisors. I'm saying, NO, they can do both. And I think it's not only not wrong to do both, I think it's good. It shows they don't think they are infallible.

Here's what I don't get and you continue to dodge...

I cited a prayer that Obama left in Isreal. In it he asked God for guidance. Is that wrong? Like I said try to be consistent and leave Bush out of it, because I'm asking about Obama. If it's wrong for Bush then it should be wrong for Obama too. But, it probably isn't.... is it?

decides2dream

keep god...religion....out of government. period. i don't care who spouts it, it has NO place. period. i am all for personally held beliefs, religious or otherwise....i am all for their influence on your decision making processes and your thoughts.....i STILL do NOT want them INVOLVED directly in speech or action for the representation of ALL americans, who may well hold VERY different povs, religious or otherwise. let's work for the good of the population, and leave god out of it, thank you.

Cosmo

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Sorry... but, I put you on 'Ignore'... I'm tired of wasting one more keystroke on you.
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Life is good.