have it right and or wrong. Osama is bad...really bad and needed to be removed from power....but I also think Bush (okay Cheney/Rove/etc) milk it for all its worth....ie..scaring the poor white american.
I didn't say Osama was bad or not-bad. I really have no clue. And what I hear is so distorted that I don't trust anything but my own perceptions. And they are drawing a blank. Bush on the other hand, he's pretty obvious.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I don't believe he purposely let him go. I believe there's been a lot of incompetence going down, and that they are very happy to capitalise on it, like they have capitalised on 911 for years, milking people's basest emotions.
You can believe whatever you wish. But there is also another very plausible explanation. And in my opinion it makes more sense than your scenario - that's the only reason I believe it - it just makes more sense. So, it might be a better rebulte to poke holes in my belief rather than just tell me I don't understand.
I doubt with every cell in my body that Bush has ever once been happy that Osama has not been caught. The first criticim leveled on him when the war drums began to beat around the Iraq issue is that he had taken his eye off the goal in Afghanistan - that he had let Osama go!!!
If at any point over the last 5 years Bush had caught Osama, he would be lauded and his approval ratings would soar.
And at this point in his presidency, catching Osama could very well be the only viable way to save any credibility he has and change his legacy.
So why then would he be "happy" to capitalize on what is percieved by most in the world to be one of his biggest blunders and biggest areas of incompetance????
I'm thinking the Bush administration would have loved to catch Osama....
Then why haven't we? I wouldn't be the least surprised if by the end of this year, Osama has been caught. Then W can claim a victory in the war on terror and, at least in his mind, secure his legacy.
I didn't say Osama was bad or not-bad. I really have no clue. And what I hear is so distorted that I don't trust anything but my own perceptions. And they are drawing a blank. Bush on the other hand, he's pretty obvious.
WOW, I thought more highly of you than this...
Tell me you've seen at least one of the videos of Osama preaching about Jihad and killing Infidels. Just google some stuff on him. It is all translated word for word from his mouth. There is not dispute these are his words, and there is no distortion of his goals. He says it in plain language.
Then why haven't we? I wouldn't be the least surprised if by the end of this year, Osama has been caught. Then W can claim a victory in the war on terror and, at least in his mind, secure his legacy.
I have no idea. But to assume that just becuase we haven't caught him yet = we don't want to is baseless. It's just an opinion propped up by opinion.
Then why haven't we? I wouldn't be the least surprised if by the end of this year, Osama has been caught. Then W can claim a victory in the war on terror and, at least in his mind, secure his legacy.
with lots of freinds and hiding places....I don't think its as easy as you think to find him...really don't. Bush would just love to have him caught...you must know he's a broken man right now..and all the folks in his administration have egg on their face...so I just can't fathom they're purposefully keeping free.
I didn't say Osama was bad or not-bad. I really have no clue. And what I hear is so distorted that I don't trust anything but my own perceptions. And they are drawing a blank. Bush on the other hand, he's pretty obvious.
come on now. you are really going to tell me that you dont know if osama is bad or not bad? really ? seriously?
with lots of freinds and hiding places....I don't think its as easy as you think to find him...really don't. Bush would just love to have him caught...you must know he's a broken man right now..and all the folks in his administration have egg on their face...so I just can't fathom they're purposefully keeping free.
atta boy callen. I knew I liked you for some reason
Tell me you've seen at least one of the videos of Osama preaching about Jihad and killing Infidels. Just google some stuff on him. It is all translated word for word from his mouth. There is not dispute these are his words, and there is no distortion of his goals. He says it in plain language.
Throw out all your preconceptions about me, NCfan. I'll be back wayy later to respond to these posts directed to me.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I didn't say Osama was bad or not-bad. I really have no clue. And what I hear is so distorted that I don't trust anything but my own perceptions. And they are drawing a blank. Bush on the other hand, he's pretty obvious.
I'm pretty certain he uses religion to further his cause...and I pretty much detest anyone that does that.....including George....so he's a bad boy....I do though get what your saying on the distorted info...no doubt..very one sided and more importantly self serving for the masses.
I don't believe he purposely let him go. I believe there's been a lot of incompetence going down, and that they are very happy to capitalise on it, like they have capitalised on 911 for years, milking people's basest emotions.
I disagree with this. I dont think the admin is milking peoples emotions with 9/11.
I'm pretty certain he uses religion to further his cause...and I pretty much detest anyone that does that.....including George....so he's a bad boy....I do though get what your saying on the distorted info...no doubt..very one sided and more importantly self serving for the masses.
Totally one-sided. I don't trust anyone, period. I trust what my intuition tells me. And when I don't know, I say I don't know. I cannot afford to be wrong, and to support killing based on fear and false realities.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
with lots of freinds and hiding places....I don't think its as easy as you think to find him...really don't. Bush would just love to have him caught...you must know he's a broken man right now..and all the folks in his administration have egg on their face...so I just can't fathom they're purposefully keeping free.
I agree with what you're saying. But this administration has shown me nothing that they truly want to dismantle Al Queda or eliminate Osama. The only positive thought I have and what keeps the flicker of hope alive is that hopefully Osama is being hunted by the CIA. Hopefully there is a covert effort to catch him. But with the focus still on Iraq I wonder if this is even taking place.
I agree with what you're saying. But this administration has shown me nothing that they truly want to dismantle Al Queda or eliminate Osama.
nothing? how about all the top leaders in Guantanamo? or the elimination of training camps in afgahistan? or the capture of other memebers throughout the world?
The only positive thought I have and what keeps the flicker of hope alive is that hopefully Osama is being hunted by the CIA. Hopefully there is a covert effort to catch him.
wouldnt the administration have something to do with this?
I agree with what you're saying. But this administration has shown me nothing that they truly want to dismantle Al Queda or eliminate Osama. The only positive thought I have and what keeps the flicker of hope alive is that hopefully Osama is being hunted by the CIA. Hopefully there is a covert effort to catch him. But with the focus still on Iraq I wonder if this is even taking place.
The bsuh admin has put into practice plenty of measures to help catch terrorists like the patriot act. And lets not foget that it has captured and "beautifully" killed a good number of al qaeda operatives.
Totally one-sided. I don't trust anyone, period. I trust what my intuition tells me. And when I don't know, I say I don't know. I cannot afford to be wrong, and to support killing based on fear and false realities.
need to be even more critical with inputs.....just try to get info from first hand knowledge and foreign sources...but even then. Damnit....I dont' know shieze...thanks a freakin lot.
"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
--George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
I agree Iraq was and is a big distraction in catching osama
This is really my only point. If he had just focused on getting the bastard instead of showing daddy he's big boy he could have gone down as one of the greatest leaders in history. Ah well too late now.
did you know that the grand canyon was created by the floods of Noah? well, your government is sticking with that bullshit, and actually selling it at the grand canyon national park gift shop. they also will not allow anyone to actually say how old the grand canyon is because of pressure from Bush administration apointee's.
what a fucking joke, the real funny part is some people actually suck this shit up.
According to Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) in a report released this week [PDF], Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees.
Furthermore, a book approved by the Service claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood ,rather than by geologic forces, is on sale in the park for more than three years, even though a review was promised to Congress and the press. A Freedom of Information request [PDF] reveals that no review has ever been requested, nor taken place.
"In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'" PEER urged [PDF] the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon.
Throw out all your preconceptions about me, NCfan. I'll be back wayy later to respond to these posts directed to me.
Preconceptions that you are intelegent enough to see through ALL the propaganda no matter who it supports or helps, and understand that Osama Bin Laden wants infidels who will not submit to his interpretation of Islam to die?
I mean he's said it over and over and over... it's no secret.
Okay, I'll throw that out...
It doesn't bother me to question things. But it is disturbing that somebody couldn't judge Osama Bin Laden based on his own words and/or deeds.
the taliban? yes they were. do you believe otherwise?
The thing is, Bin Laden is now in Pakistan. Does this mean that the Pakistani's are 'protecting' or 'harbouring' him? Should America be carpet bombing Pakistan now?
I think that the correct course of action would have been to have courted the Talebans favour in 2002 and perhaps sent in some special forces to assist them. The Taleban know that land better than Bin Laden and the other Saudi's who were living up in those mountains. They could have flushed him out quicker than anyone. All i'm saying here is that i think there was more to Bush's eagerness to remove the Taleban than Bin Laden.
Oil pipelines perhaps?
Ah yes but friend, there is no evediance either way so get over it.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ah yes but friend, there is no evidnece either way so get over it.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
those are the two major decisions he's made....and as much as I hate war...we did need to take out the Taliban.
And how exactly is this war taking out the taliban?
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The thing is, Bin Laden is now in Pakistan. Does this mean that the Pakistani's are 'protecting' or 'harbouring' him? Should America be carpet bombing Pakistan now?
I think that the correct course of action would have been to have courted the Talebans favour in 2002 and perhaps sent in some special forces to assist them. The Taleban know that land better than Bin Laden and the other Saudi's who were living up in those mountains. They could have flushed him out quicker than anyone. All i'm saying here is that i think there was more to Bush's eagerness to remove the Taleban than Bin Laden.
Oil pipelines perhaps?
So why then would he be "happy" to capitalize on what is percieved by most in the world to be one of his biggest blunders and biggest areas of incompetance????
Because it isn't 'percieved by most in the world to be one of his biggest blunders and biggest areas of incompetence'. Nothing of the sort. And catching and executing Sadaam took the limelight. Because the media have given up on Bin Laden, nobody gives a fuck about him anymore - except perhaps those people who lost family members in the twin towers.
And i'll repeat what i said earlier. American's need an enemy. Bin Laden will always be there in the background, ready to serve that need, and ready to serve the needs of the war mongers and spin doctors.
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You can believe whatever you wish. But there is also another very plausible explanation. And in my opinion it makes more sense than your scenario - that's the only reason I believe it - it just makes more sense. So, it might be a better rebulte to poke holes in my belief rather than just tell me I don't understand.
I doubt with every cell in my body that Bush has ever once been happy that Osama has not been caught. The first criticim leveled on him when the war drums began to beat around the Iraq issue is that he had taken his eye off the goal in Afghanistan - that he had let Osama go!!!
If at any point over the last 5 years Bush had caught Osama, he would be lauded and his approval ratings would soar.
And at this point in his presidency, catching Osama could very well be the only viable way to save any credibility he has and change his legacy.
So why then would he be "happy" to capitalize on what is percieved by most in the world to be one of his biggest blunders and biggest areas of incompetance????
Then why haven't we? I wouldn't be the least surprised if by the end of this year, Osama has been caught. Then W can claim a victory in the war on terror and, at least in his mind, secure his legacy.
WOW, I thought more highly of you than this...
Tell me you've seen at least one of the videos of Osama preaching about Jihad and killing Infidels. Just google some stuff on him. It is all translated word for word from his mouth. There is not dispute these are his words, and there is no distortion of his goals. He says it in plain language.
I have no idea. But to assume that just becuase we haven't caught him yet = we don't want to is baseless. It's just an opinion propped up by opinion.
atta boy callen. I knew I liked you for some reason
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I'm pretty certain he uses religion to further his cause...and I pretty much detest anyone that does that.....including George....so he's a bad boy....I do though get what your saying on the distorted info...no doubt..very one sided and more importantly self serving for the masses.
I disagree with this. I dont think the admin is milking peoples emotions with 9/11.
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hell they can't help it...even the dems use 9/11 on us...jeese...
I agree with what you're saying. But this administration has shown me nothing that they truly want to dismantle Al Queda or eliminate Osama. The only positive thought I have and what keeps the flicker of hope alive is that hopefully Osama is being hunted by the CIA. Hopefully there is a covert effort to catch him. But with the focus still on Iraq I wonder if this is even taking place.
but you see nothing?
wouldnt the administration have something to do with this?
I agree Iraq was and is a big distraction in catching osama
The bsuh admin has put into practice plenty of measures to help catch terrorists like the patriot act. And lets not foget that it has captured and "beautifully" killed a good number of al qaeda operatives.
--George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular
This is really my only point. If he had just focused on getting the bastard instead of showing daddy he's big boy he could have gone down as one of the greatest leaders in history. Ah well too late now.
what a fucking joke, the real funny part is some people actually suck this shit up.
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/don/46043
12-28-06
According to Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) in a report released this week [PDF], Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees.
Furthermore, a book approved by the Service claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood ,rather than by geologic forces, is on sale in the park for more than three years, even though a review was promised to Congress and the press. A Freedom of Information request [PDF] reveals that no review has ever been requested, nor taken place.
"In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'" PEER urged [PDF] the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon.
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Preconceptions that you are intelegent enough to see through ALL the propaganda no matter who it supports or helps, and understand that Osama Bin Laden wants infidels who will not submit to his interpretation of Islam to die?
I mean he's said it over and over and over... it's no secret.
Okay, I'll throw that out...
It doesn't bother me to question things. But it is disturbing that somebody couldn't judge Osama Bin Laden based on his own words and/or deeds.
The thing is, Bin Laden is now in Pakistan. Does this mean that the Pakistani's are 'protecting' or 'harbouring' him? Should America be carpet bombing Pakistan now?
I think that the correct course of action would have been to have courted the Talebans favour in 2002 and perhaps sent in some special forces to assist them. The Taleban know that land better than Bin Laden and the other Saudi's who were living up in those mountains. They could have flushed him out quicker than anyone. All i'm saying here is that i think there was more to Bush's eagerness to remove the Taleban than Bin Laden.
Oil pipelines perhaps?
Ah yes but friend, there is no evediance either way so get over it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ah yes but friend, there is no evidnece either way so get over it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
And how exactly is this war taking out the taliban?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Court the taliban..lol they harbored him.
Because it isn't 'percieved by most in the world to be one of his biggest blunders and biggest areas of incompetence'. Nothing of the sort. And catching and executing Sadaam took the limelight. Because the media have given up on Bin Laden, nobody gives a fuck about him anymore - except perhaps those people who lost family members in the twin towers.
And i'll repeat what i said earlier. American's need an enemy. Bin Laden will always be there in the background, ready to serve that need, and ready to serve the needs of the war mongers and spin doctors.