nice try. no that's not what i am saying. no one deserves such an attack. but when one supports terrorism outside one's own borders and takes part in the over throwing of foreign governments whilst at the same time sprouting democracy rhetoric, one has to expect at some time to reap the whirlwind created elsewhere due to one's actions.
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nice try. no that's not what i am saying. no one deserves such an attack. but when one supports terrorism outside one's own borders and takes part in the over throwing of foreign governments whilst at the same time sprouting democracy rhetoric, one has to expect at some time to reap the whirlwind created elsewhere due to one's actions.
actually "America got exactly what it deserved" is EXACTLY what you're saying, so why not own it?
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if this current Iraq war is so important to our way of lives, and our freedom. If it truly is the greatest fight of good and evil of the 21st century. If this war of for the spread of freedom and democracy. If it truly is a great mission that must be completed and held to the highest honor, then why the fuck havent the president's 2 daughters signed up to serve in the armed forces?
this war is bullshit, and everyone knows it, they just wont fucking admit it.
and if "God" told Bush to invade Iraq, and he feels it is the noblest of causes, then why have his own children NOT signed on the dotted line? because it is all fucking bullshit and they know it. so they would rather send your and my families into the line of fire so that american corporate interests can seize valuable natural resources, while at the same time the militray-industrial-complex can steal our wealth all in the name of "war" and "national defense", and "freedom".
wake up and smell the coffee, they do not care about you, they do not care about "our" country, and they do not care about iraq's "freedom". we are simply a tool they manipulate to execute their plan.
next time you think this war is "noble", "just", or "we got rid of sadaam" please just remember the architects of this war's children are at home on the couch watching CNN while our friends and family members are being shredded by an IED.
*end of rant*
gotta say...this was a pretty funny post good job!
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i'm guessing if i ask any questions, this is all going to get back to 1947....so i'm not sure i should proceed.
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And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
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i'm guessing if i ask any questions, this is all going to get back to 1947....so i'm not sure i should proceed.
puh-lease. don't hold back on my account. you can not expect to be able to act and not have that boomerang at some stage. you piss people off they will get you. it's just a matter of time. and no i'm not even saying bin laden's beef was legitimate.
it makes me laugh my arse off when i hear inane comments such as bush's when he said, 'we are a peaceful nation', cause everyone knows how much bullshit it is. unfortunately there are people who believe that what the united states government does around the world is for the greater good and that my friend is such bullshit that if you dried it out you could fertilise the entire third world with it. what it basically comes down to is what is in the best interests of the united states.
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puh-lease. don't hold back on my account. you can not expect to be able to act and not have that boomerang at some stage. you piss people off they will get you. it's just a matter of time. and no i'm not even saying bin laden's beef was legitimate.
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sooooo in other words...America got what it deserved. right. you believe it, so own it!
what it basically comes down to is what is in the best interests of the united states.
sooooo, yeah. why is that a problem? what's more worrisome is that president tom of iran doesn't act in the best interest of iran, he acts in the best interest of president tom. or why is it so forgivable for hte human rights violations by russia? well, they are acting in their own self interest, right?
OF COURSE the U.S. is acting in their self interest. considering every other nation state is doing so. if western democracies weren't so beholden to socialism, just think of the possibliities. they could possibly compete! we aren't holding you back...you do it to yourself!
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
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sooooo in other words...America got what it deserved. right. you believe it, so own it!
no. i can't admit to something i never said. don't play roundabout with me hawk.
but you know a litle acknowledgement that perhaps their past actions and policies were in some way responsible would be refreshing. instead they sit in their ivory towers and refuse to own anything.
sooooo, yeah. why is that a problem? what's more worrisome is that president tom of iran doesn't act in the best interest of iran, he acts in the best interest of president tom. or why is it so forgivable for hte human rights violations by russia? well, they are acting in their own self interest, right?
OF COURSE the U.S. is acting in their self interest. considering every other nation state is doing so. If they weren't so beholden to socialism, they could possibly compete!
acting in the best interests of your country is fine. so long as it doesn't infringe upon others.
i certainly never said human rights violations by the russians were forgivable. sounds like your trying to bait me. but no, when a government violates the rights of its citizens, it is not acting in the best interests of the country. it is acting in the governments own self interest. i'm sure you would agree that they are quite often not the same thing.
as for socialism, it can not co exist with capitalism. we know this. but one day when the world we know collapses into a smouldering heap a new, more equitable way will have to be found.
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but one day when the world we know collapses into a smouldering heap a new, more equitable way will have to be found.
that pretty much sums up your point of view to me...let's just say we vehemently disagree on just about everything
as far as your 911 point...you're basically saying...U.S. foreign policy has been evil, and we have really pissed off some people, so these people acted on it...yet you are somehow not saying we got what we deserved? I'm not baiting you. I'm asking you to explain yourself. It sounds to me like you are saying like we got what we deserved, but don't have the guts to actually say it. That's understandable...liberalism is all about easy, emotional, catch phrase arguments rather than genuine debate
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
that pretty much sums up your point of view to me...let's just say we vehemently disagree on just about everything
as far as your 911 point...you're basically saying...U.S. foreign policy has been evil, and we have really pissed off some people, so these people acted on it...yet you are somehow not saying we got what we deserved? I'm not baiting you. I'm asking you to explain yourself. It sounds to me like you are saying like we got what we deserved, but don't have the guts to actually say it. That's understandable...liberalism is all about easy, emotional, catch phrase arguments rather than genuine debate
Or how about nobody deserves such a hideous act inflicted upon them but you can't exactly be surprised that your policies have came back to bite you on the ass?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
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Or how about nobody deserves such a hideous act inflicted upon them but you can't exactly be surprised that your policies have came back to bite you on the ass?
or in other words, we got what we deserved. if that's what you believe, say it.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
that pretty much sums up your point of view to me...let's just say we vehemently disagree on just about everything
as far as your 911 point...you're basically saying...U.S. foreign policy has been evil, and we have really pissed off some people, so these people acted on it...yet you are somehow not saying we got what we deserved? I'm not baiting you. I'm asking you to explain yourself. It sounds to me like you are saying like we got what we deserved, but don't have the guts to actually say it. That's understandable...liberalism is all about easy, emotional, catch phrase arguments rather than genuine debate
no. all things being equal, if the united states government got what it deserved, your country would be a smouldering ruin like so many other countries that are recipients of your governments foreign policy. i'd prefer that wars both undeclared and declared be fought out between those whose policies precipitate such actions. instead it is the citizenry that pays the price. to say 9/11 was unprovoked is to be ignorant. it did not happen in a vacuum. but still i do not think 9/11 was deserved. and i repeat actions such as this never are. but it hardly came as big a shock to me as it did to you i imagine. i thought it was an extremely bold move and a foolish one. don't forget it wasn't the first time the twin towers were attacked by terrorists.
to deserve something requires some sort of merit on the part of the recipient. there is nothing meritorious about US foreign policy. though if you give bad you should expect bad in return.
and you can't just say we vehemently disagree on just about everything just because you've come to the conclusion that i am not a fan of capitalism. that is too dismissive.
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no. all things being equal, if the united states government got what it deserved, your country would be a smouldering ruin like so many other countries that are recipients of your governments foreign policy.
yeah, I figured that's where you were going...i'm just looking for honesty
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I don't believe in the death penalty but if you go on a murderous rampage in Texas don't surprised if you get it.
well, i wasn't quoting you...i was questioning another poster....but i can only assume that you believe that the we got what we deserve, right?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
yeah, I figured that's where you were going...i'm just looking for honesty
bullshit hawk. what you're looking for is validation for your pov. and where was it i was going exactly?
and i said IF the united states government got what it deserved.
but as it is, the people who died that day paid for your governments actions with their lives. and now the rest of the citizenry and others around the world are paying for it still. and yet no change to foreign policy. no acknowledgement of any kind. just carry on as usual and bury it in craters.
but you know those who should be held accountable are the terrorists and the organisations that backed them.
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bullshit hawk. what you're looking for is validation for your pov. and where was it i was going exactly?
actually you got it upside down...you want to have it both ways...on the one hand you want to sympathize with the "random event that was 911, like a hurricane" but then you basically go on to say how we are to blame for our foreign policy. whatever, that may be a legitimate point of view...i'm just saying don't run from it...own it.
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Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
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not even close. the more accurate simplification would be that "what america got could have been expected."
please explain.
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And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
and again, maybe it's not the way you want to phrase it (mind you you, nor me will ever run for elective office) are bascially saying we got what we deserved. I can only assume that we should probably deserve more?
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And I try to make this kind and clear
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if you fuck people's countries up, regardless of how good your intentions were, they're going to take shots back. i dont believe american is an evil empire deserving terrorist attacks, but i believe we've made some mistakes and our refusal to admit them has angered a lot of people. thus, it is not surprising that something like 9/11 happened, even though we didnt deserve it.
and again, maybe it's not the way you want to phrase it (mind you you, nor me will ever run for elective office) are bascially saying we got what we deserved. I can only assume that we should probably deserve more?
no.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
if you fuck people's countries up, regardless of how good your intentions were, they're going to take shots back. i dont believe american is an evil empire deserving terrorist attacks, but i believe we've made some mistakes and our refusal to admit them has angered a lot of people. thus, it is not surprising that something like 9/11 happened, even though we didnt deserve it.
So you're saying we deserved it?
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nice try. no that's not what i am saying. no one deserves such an attack. but when one supports terrorism outside one's own borders and takes part in the over throwing of foreign governments whilst at the same time sprouting democracy rhetoric, one has to expect at some time to reap the whirlwind created elsewhere due to one's actions.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
actually "America got exactly what it deserved" is EXACTLY what you're saying, so why not own it?
And I try to make this kind and clear
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Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
gotta say...this was a pretty funny post
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so now you can read my mind is that is it?
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no, reading your words.
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it's all about cause and effect.
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i'm guessing if i ask any questions, this is all going to get back to 1947....so i'm not sure i should proceed.
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Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
puh-lease. don't hold back on my account. you can not expect to be able to act and not have that boomerang at some stage. you piss people off they will get you. it's just a matter of time. and no i'm not even saying bin laden's beef was legitimate.
it makes me laugh my arse off when i hear inane comments such as bush's when he said, 'we are a peaceful nation', cause everyone knows how much bullshit it is. unfortunately there are people who believe that what the united states government does around the world is for the greater good and that my friend is such bullshit that if you dried it out you could fertilise the entire third world with it. what it basically comes down to is what is in the best interests of the united states.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
sooooo in other words...America got what it deserved. right. you believe it, so own it!
sooooo, yeah. why is that a problem? what's more worrisome is that president tom of iran doesn't act in the best interest of iran, he acts in the best interest of president tom. or why is it so forgivable for hte human rights violations by russia? well, they are acting in their own self interest, right?
OF COURSE the U.S. is acting in their self interest. considering every other nation state is doing so. if western democracies weren't so beholden to socialism, just think of the possibliities. they could possibly compete! we aren't holding you back...you do it to yourself!
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
no. i can't admit to something i never said. don't play roundabout with me hawk.
but you know a litle acknowledgement that perhaps their past actions and policies were in some way responsible would be refreshing. instead they sit in their ivory towers and refuse to own anything.
acting in the best interests of your country is fine. so long as it doesn't infringe upon others.
i certainly never said human rights violations by the russians were forgivable. sounds like your trying to bait me. but no, when a government violates the rights of its citizens, it is not acting in the best interests of the country. it is acting in the governments own self interest. i'm sure you would agree that they are quite often not the same thing.
as for socialism, it can not co exist with capitalism. we know this. but one day when the world we know collapses into a smouldering heap a new, more equitable way will have to be found.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
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that pretty much sums up your point of view to me...let's just say we vehemently disagree on just about everything
as far as your 911 point...you're basically saying...U.S. foreign policy has been evil, and we have really pissed off some people, so these people acted on it...yet you are somehow not saying we got what we deserved? I'm not baiting you. I'm asking you to explain yourself. It sounds to me like you are saying like we got what we deserved, but don't have the guts to actually say it. That's understandable...liberalism is all about easy, emotional, catch phrase arguments rather than genuine debate
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Or how about nobody deserves such a hideous act inflicted upon them but you can't exactly be surprised that your policies have came back to bite you on the ass?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
or in other words, we got what we deserved. if that's what you believe, say it.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
no. all things being equal, if the united states government got what it deserved, your country would be a smouldering ruin like so many other countries that are recipients of your governments foreign policy. i'd prefer that wars both undeclared and declared be fought out between those whose policies precipitate such actions. instead it is the citizenry that pays the price. to say 9/11 was unprovoked is to be ignorant. it did not happen in a vacuum. but still i do not think 9/11 was deserved. and i repeat actions such as this never are. but it hardly came as big a shock to me as it did to you i imagine. i thought it was an extremely bold move and a foolish one. don't forget it wasn't the first time the twin towers were attacked by terrorists.
to deserve something requires some sort of merit on the part of the recipient. there is nothing meritorious about US foreign policy. though if you give bad you should expect bad in return.
and you can't just say we vehemently disagree on just about everything just because you've come to the conclusion that i am not a fan of capitalism. that is too dismissive.
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That would be the opposite of what I said.
I don't believe in the death penalty but if you go on a murderous rampage in Texas don't surprised if you get it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah, I figured that's where you were going...i'm just looking for honesty
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
well, i wasn't quoting you...i was questioning another poster....but i can only assume that you believe that the we got what we deserve, right?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
bullshit hawk. what you're looking for is validation for your pov. and where was it i was going exactly?
and i said IF the united states government got what it deserved.
but as it is, the people who died that day paid for your governments actions with their lives. and now the rest of the citizenry and others around the world are paying for it still. and yet no change to foreign policy. no acknowledgement of any kind. just carry on as usual and bury it in craters.
but you know those who should be held accountable are the terrorists and the organisations that backed them.
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You quoted me, too.
And I'm not saying anything I don't believe. I don't care for the revenge business.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
actually you got it upside down...you want to have it both ways...on the one hand you want to sympathize with the "random event that was 911, like a hurricane" but then you basically go on to say how we are to blame for our foreign policy. whatever, that may be a legitimate point of view...i'm just saying don't run from it...own it.
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And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
not in this thread...or at not at least recently
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not even close. the more accurate simplification would be that "what america got could have been expected."
please explain.
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Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
so i did.
and again, maybe it's not the way you want to phrase it (mind you you, nor me will ever run for elective office) are bascially saying we got what we deserved. I can only assume that we should probably deserve more?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
good lord you're a jackass today. who's going for the easy, emotional catch phrase instead of intelligent debate tonight?
do you deny that the us funded and trained bin laden before hanging him out to dry in afghanistan?
if you fuck people's countries up, regardless of how good your intentions were, they're going to take shots back. i dont believe american is an evil empire deserving terrorist attacks, but i believe we've made some mistakes and our refusal to admit them has angered a lot of people. thus, it is not surprising that something like 9/11 happened, even though we didnt deserve it.
no.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So you're saying we deserved it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah. kinda how any woman wearing a short skirt deserves to be raped.