Fucking Bullshit

jlew24asu

trappedinmyradio wrote:

well, when you "pray for guidance" your actions are attributed to the guidance "received." so, whether he said "god told me to..." exactly or not...i can imply from a collection of statements that he believes, or wants us to believe, that his guidance towards this situation came/comes from "God."

eh, ok. but he still invaded afgahistan and Iraq because he believed they were a thread to america's national security.

callen

jlew24asu wrote:

yea thats the one. even then he didnt say "god" told him to go after the axis of evil

reporter asked George if he asked his father for advise..and he said he goes to a higher power....or something like that...its on record somewhere...also I watched a 60minutes type show where George mentioned how he got inspiration from a painting of a cowboy on a hourse in his office and related it to god.

UKDave

jlew24asu wrote:

eh, ok. but he still invaded afgahistan and Iraq because he believed they were a thread to america's national security.

That makes you more comfortable with the decision? :eek:

jlew24asu

UKDave wrote:

That makes you more comfortable with the decision? :eek:

for Afghanistan, yes

for Iraq, no. I do not believe Iraq was a direct threat to America

angelica

When people pray for guidance, from God or their higher self, they are accessing their highest ideals. This is a good thing. Unfortunately, the message we get will only be as clear as the instrument doing the receiving. What may be the best choice that George Bush can receive during times of trouble may be a sad, pathetic choice for someone else.

callen

jlew24asu wrote:

eh, ok. but he still invaded afgahistan and Iraq because he believed they were a thread to america's national security.

agree with you....he did feel they were a threat...no doubt..good point....but some of us (rightly or wrongly) have a real problem with christianity and its beliefs and thus are very frustrated that our commander in Chief uses religion, even in the slightest bit, to influence his decisions...and thats why your getting bombarded on this thread about this. Course as you've pointed out...he does use his staff...and ultimately uses their advise on what he ultimately does. Its just frustrating for us non-believers...

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

eh, ok. but he still invaded afgahistan and Iraq because he believed they were a thread to america's national security.

Interesting typo there. Except i'd say that Afghanistan and Iraq are not threads to America's national security, but threads to America's arms and oil trades.

Open

miller8966 wrote:

THe palestinians are very religious ( kind of lunatics actually), and i think bush was just trying to relate to them.

Just like you?

UKDave

jlew24asu wrote:

for Afghanistan, yes

for Iraq, no. I do not believe Iraq was a direct threat to America

Just wondered which you more comfortable with? him being an imbecile or being driven by god...

jlew24asu

callen wrote:

agree with you....he did feel they were a threat...no doubt..good point....but some of us (rightly or wrongly) have a real problem with christianity and its beliefs and thus are very frustrated that our commander in Chief uses religion, even in the slightest bit, to influence his decisions...and thats why your getting bombarded on this thread about this. Course as you've pointed out...he does use his staff...and ultimately uses their advise on what he ultimately does. Its just frustrating for us non-believers...

thats fine, but lets face it. America, for the most part, is Christian country. God is very important to, just guessing, 80%-85% of Americans?

callen

angelica wrote:

When people pray for guidance, from God or their higher self, they are accessing their highest ideals. This is a good thing. Unfortunately, the message we get will only be as clear as the instrument doing the receiving. What may be the best choice that George Bush can receive during times of trouble may be a sad, pathetic choice for someone else.

that George isn't as much a believer as he is a manipultor...and uses his spiratuality to further his agenda..........ah never mind...george is george. Now Karl and lesbian daughter with baby out of wedlock Cheney on the other hand....(-:

UKDave

angelica wrote:

When people pray for guidance, from God or their higher self, they are accessing their highest ideals. This is a good thing. Unfortunately, the message we get will only be as clear as the instrument doing the receiving. What may be the best choice that George Bush can receive during times of trouble may be a sad, pathetic choice for someone else.

Nicely put...

jlew24asu

UKDave wrote:

Just wondered which you more comfortable with? him being an imbecile or being driven by god...

I will never think him invading Afghanistan was a stupid move or driven from God telling him.

we were attacked by an organization that was based and protected in Afghanistan.

Iraq, different story.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Interesting typo there. Except i'd say that Afghanistan and Iraq are not threads to America's national security, but threads to America's arms and oil trades.

Iraq, i'm with you on that.

but afgah?? seriously? you didnt see the taliban and el queda as a threat to american security? they attacked us remember ?

trappedinmyradio

jlew24asu wrote:

eh, ok. but he still invaded afgahistan and Iraq because he believed they were a thread to america's national security.

ah, yes, but...catch-22...who guided him to that decision?

callen

jlew24asu wrote:

thats fine, but lets face it. America, for the most part, is Christian country. God is very important to, just guessing, 80%-85% of Americans?

and this is a democracy..but in my eyes isn't good for the country. Religion (any religion) shouldn't in any shape or form enter public politics. Seperate thread...I know. And I do believe in total freedom of religion...if you want to dress up in pink leotards (sp?) and dance in a circle praying to a banana tree I think its cool...just don't force me to do it.

angelica

callen wrote:

that George isn't as much a believer as he is a manipultor...and uses his spiratuality to further his agenda..........ah never mind...george is george. Now Karl and lesbian daughter with baby out of wedlock Cheney on the other hand....(-:

My own perceptions tell me he milks the religion thing to further his agenda, much like his manipulation of other issues. At the same time, I'm completely convinced he also believes what he's saying re: God. I just believe the man is not a very visionary, conscious human being.

angelica

UKDave wrote:

Nicely put...

Thanks.

callen

trappedinmyradio wrote:

ah, yes, but...catch-22...who guided him to that decision?

he did believe IRaq was a threat...misguided no doubt....but was a threat and used his advisers for his decision. Course I do wonder if subconciously he is fighting his religious war.....as are a good portion of christians in America.

callen

angelica wrote:

My own perceptions tell me he milks the religion thing to further his agenda, much like his manipulation of other issues. At the same time, I'm completely convinced he also believes what he's saying re: God. I just believe the man is not a very visionary, conscious human being.

to as many unscripted sessions with George as possible.....and really think he's a good ole boy...trying to fix things..and he is dependent on the ole mighty....sad but true.

jlew24asu

trappedinmyradio wrote:

ah, yes, but...catch-22...who guided him to that decision?

maybe a few planes flying into our buildings

miller8966

callen wrote:

he did believe IRaq was a threat...misguided no doubt....but was a threat and used his advisers for his decision. Course I do wonder if subconciously he is fighting his religious war.....as are a good portion of christians in America.

I dont remember him asking muslims to convert to jesus do you?

trappedinmyradio

callen wrote:

he did believe IRaq was a threat...misguided no doubt....but was a threat and used his advisers for his decision. Course I do wonder if subconciously he is fighting his religious war.....as are a good portion of christians in America.

okay, you missed it - where did he solidify that belief? on his prayer rug...and his contemplation of the "message" he received. i am not arguing here. just talking about how a statement about asking god for guidance leads to the conclusion that someone is doing something based on what god has led, guided, or told them to do when the action is started to relieve the situation for which guidance (from god) was asked.

UKDave

jlew24asu wrote:

I will never think him invading Afghanistan was a stupid move or driven from God telling him.

we were attacked by an organization that was based and protected in Afghanistan.

Iraq, different story.

...and I wasn't debating every decision he's made, we'd be here a long time with that one, just his process, even an imbecile will strike lucky now and again...

trappedinmyradio

miller8966 wrote:

I dont remember him asking muslims to convert to jesus do you?

he never did that. but, there is a "war" between fringe christians and everyone else.

callen

miller8966 wrote:

I dont remember him asking muslims to convert to jesus do you?

just kill them. (-:

angelica

callen wrote:

to as many unscripted sessions with George as possible.....and really think he's a good ole boy...trying to fix things..and he is dependent on the ole mighty....sad but true.

It appears that he doesn't have much of his own vision, so he has to rely on it through faith. Most of the people who see through him are visionary types who see what the man himself does not. Visionary people are the minority, so for those who are blessed with awareness and inner-sight, such a blessing is for a reason, and to help counter balance the craziness surrounding us.

bee_boy

callen wrote:

just kill them. (-:

Wow. That's pretty full on.

callen

UKDave wrote:

...and I wasn't debating every decision he's made, we'd be here a long time with that one, just his process, even an imbecile will strike lucky now and again...

those are the two major decisions he's made....and as much as I hate war...we did need to take out the Taliban.

RainDog

jlew24asu wrote:

thats fine, but lets face it. America, for the most part, is Christian country. God is very important to, just guessing, 80%-85% of Americans?

Currently, the United States is 78% Christian and 10% no religion, while other religions comprise 12% of the U.S. population. However, 58% of the U.S. population considers religion to be "very important." I got these states off of Wikipedia's "Religion in the United States" page.

Good to know that I'm in the upper ten percent.