600,000 Dead Civilians, financed by me and you

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I That's the problem with America...we like to do as we please and not have to deal with the consequences.

    That's a human problem, not an American problem.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    cincybearcat wrote:
    That's a human problem, not an American problem.

    That is true.. but America panders and profits from human problems - rather that understand them and foster improvement.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    my2hands wrote:

    i am responsible for the financing of 600,000 dead civilians. makes me feel real good about my government, and my federal taxes. even if we dont support the war, we are all supporting it financially. how does that make you feel?


    Well if it makes you feel any better. Your government in a run around kind of way, funded the boys who were on your side against the Russians once upon a time. So you also help to fund 911. Now that is funny as hell. But somebody here will try and spin that into a different story. ;) You fund quite a few nasty things that happen around the old blue marble.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and they traced some of that missing $8or 9 BILLION that went missing in iraq to funding the insurgency

    of course ... you can't profit from war without the need for war ...

    people still believe this is about liberation, freedom or WMD??
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    chromiam wrote:
    did you finance insurgents and other terrorists who make IEDs and other bombs??? cause I sure didn't....

    me neither
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    me neither

    that's what you like to think or believe ... you think bin laden is some poor shmuck? ... he's got business assets around the world - i think one of them is a sugar manufacturer in Sudan which most of the soft drink companies use in their products ... the ties to big multi-nationals are all over the place ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    that's what you like to think or believe ... you think bin laden is some poor shmuck? ... he's got business assets around the world - i think one of them is a sugar manufacturer in Sudan which most of the soft drink companies use in their products ... the ties to big multi-nationals are all over the place ...


    you clearly bent over, hands on the floor, and spoke directly out of your ass, and it stinks. but thank you for the financial lesson.

    bin laden is not funding sunnis blowing up shittes or shittes blowing up sunnis.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you clearly bent over, hands on the floor, and spoke directly out of your ass, and it stinks. but thank you for the financial lesson.

    bin laden is not funding sunnis blowing up shittes or shittes blowing up sunnis.

    you're right ... that's the american gov't ... the example was more for terrorist funding in general ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    you're right ... that's the american gov't ... the example was more for terrorist funding in general ...

    wrong again. 0 for 2. try Iran and Syria.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wrong again. 0 for 2. try Iran and Syria.

    whatever helps you sleep at nite i guess
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    whatever helps you sleep at nite i guess


    so you believe that the US is funding the sunni/shitte violence? and Iran and Syria have little or no role in it?
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so you believe that the US is funding the sunni/shitte violence? and Iran and Syria have little or no role in it?

    Iran and Syria have a huge role.. and we are afraid to talk to them
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    soulsinging wrote:
    and war itself is inevitable. humans have been fighting them since we figured out if we killed someone else we have more for ourselves. and we will continue to fight wars until the sun implodes and swallows the earth. trying to fight only just wars is admirable and trying to minimize civilian deaths is imperative, but if you think that somehow protesting george bush will end innocent deaths in wars you are unqualified for any sort of intelligent debate. it has always happened and it always will.


    i completely disagree, take a look at the history of recent wars our country has been involved with. each and every time the select few representing elite interests have had to lie, spin, and miseducate the public to "trick" them into supporting the war... people do not want to wage war, and average people certainly dont want to wage war bc they are always the ones that are affected in the worst ways. everyone supports peace, and i do mean everyone.

    take Iraq for example, look at the lies that had to be spoonfed, look at the spin that had to take place, look at the propganda campaigns that had to be forced down the populaces throats just to convince them to support the war...they were told about 9/11 ties, WMD, that it would be quick and easy, that we would be greeted as hero's, that the smoking gun could be a "mushroom cloud"... and this was all done to invade a country that had a leader the american public believed was the second coming of satan... if i remember correctly the Iraq war had HISTORY'S LARGEST PRE-WAR DEMONSTRATION speaking out against it... after all the lies and spin, the polls showed only approx 60% support for the invasion... and of course after the lies are revealed the approval is almost minimal, held onto by only the extremely hawkish individuals.

    Vietnam was the same, lies, propaganda, spin... and once the american public FINALLY woke up and could see through all the smoke this country was almost ripped apart becasue of it and the outrage towards the war.

    we have only been around for a few thousand years, we have just made advances in civil, womens, labor, children, and racial rights within the last 100 years.

    so you may see war as inevetable, I see that the end of war is inevetable.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Man has greatly evolved from our primitive, animalistic behavior in the beginings. We used to be ok with so much that is unthinkable to support and carryout nowdays. We grown at a constant rate away from violence over time. Remember burning people at the stake, gunfights/duels in the streets, medieval torture, etc? We will continue to evolve past the thinking that killing each other is any kind of answer to our problems....and war will phase itself out as we evolve into more intelligent beings with better methods of communication and problem solving.


    this girl should be running for office, and i am dead serious.

    well said
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so you believe that the US is funding the sunni/shitte violence? and Iran and Syria have little or no role in it?

    there are many interests being played out in iraq right now ... some geo-political and some strictly business oriented ... all in all - their goals are the same ... political, economic and societal instability for the foreseeable future ...

    either way - the point is tho that if you want to think your hands are clean of what's going on there - i'd say your mistaken ... just as i would be ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    there are many interests being played out in iraq right now ... some geo-political and some strictly business oriented ... all in all - their goals are the same ... political, economic and societal instability for the foreseeable future ...

    either way - the point is tho that if you want to think your hands are clean of what's going on there - i'd say your mistaken ... just as i would be ...


    of course our hands aren't clean of the mess in Iraq. but Iran, Syria, and the Iraqis themselves have to take responsibility for much of the death that is going on there.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    down_ski wrote:
    Slaughter EVERYTHING in sight?

    Give me a fucking break, you know nothing about this war. You just joined the "Liberal Train" for the ride. Do a little research before you start barking your know-nothing mouth on a fucking Pearl Jam forum. This sort of shit just bothers me, our men and women over there are not doing that sort of thing. And if you said that in front of one of them (man or woman) i'd hope they would kick the living shit out of you.

    And Plus, this article is from a UK source, not reliable....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Phantom_Fury

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_rape_case

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramadi_%282006%29


    perhaps you missed the non-stop bombardment of Baghdad to begin this war (shock and awe)... Baghdad is a city of 8,000,000 people, i repeat Baghdad is a city of 8 MILLION people. i think we can call that slaughtering everything in sight, except it was done from 10,000 feet and the persian gulf.


    thanks for the enlightenment that we are over there selling girl scout cookies and lemonade :rolleyes:
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course our hands aren't clean of the mess in Iraq. but Iran, Syria, and the Iraqis themselves have to take responsibility for much of the death that is going on there.


    typical, we smash the fucking place, take out all the infratstructure and then blame everyone else for the ensuing chaos. i dont buy it

    "you break it, you own it" ~~ Colin Powell
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    typical, we smash the fucking place, take out all the infratstructure and then blame everyone else for the ensuing chaos. i dont buy it

    "you break it, you own it" ~~ Colin Powell


    not blaming everyone else. they SHARE the responsibility for the chaos. its not american soldiers killing all these people. they are doing it to themselves.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course our hands aren't clean of the mess in Iraq. but Iran, Syria, and the Iraqis themselves have to take responsibility for much of the death that is going on there.

    i'm talking about specifically about where your dollars end up whether it be in taxes or in consumer spending ...

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