Actually, you don't HAVE to, if you're willing to face the consequences. Three years without paying taxes for me and nothing has happened.
I do plan on filing this year.
oh ok that is the answer let me try that ,will look for your thread wich will be named "GESS WHAT I'VE BEEN AUDITED BY THE IRS "...pay back is a bitch though......
Personally, I don't see a problem with showing the effects of bad decisions. It may not matter to the strong pro war posters on this board but to average people who aren't defending a previous stance, it could be enough for them to say 'this just isn't worth it' and maybe start speaking out and watching more closely who and what they will support in the future.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
oh ok that is the answer let me try that ,will look for your thread wich will be named "GESS WHAT I'VE BEEN AUDITED BY THE IRS "...pay back is a bitch though......
ok, lets invade Sudan and China. your logic would support it, actually your logic would support the invasion of half the fucking planet.
Now I have no idea what you're talking about. I never supported the war in Iraq. Why would I support one in China or the Sudan? And why does questioning causality mean that logic supports other invasions? Is logic really the word you were looking for?
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
you say "oppose the war or you like murdering innocents." neither is true.
actually, i think that is true.
collateral damage and civilian deaths are unavoidable in a war, so to support military action is to concede that you are comfortable with, or willing to justify, civilian deaths. in other words, a pro war supporter believes "the ends justify the means"... considering that civilian casualties are inevitable in war.
collateral damage and civilian deaths are unavoidable in a war, so to support military action is to concede that you are comfortable with, or willing to justify, civilian deaths. in other words, a pro war supporter believes "the ends justify the means"... considering that civilian casualties are inevitable in war.
and war itself is inevitable. humans have been fighting them since we figured out if we killed someone else we have more for ourselves. and we will continue to fight wars until the sun implodes and swallows the earth. trying to fight only just wars is admirable and trying to minimize civilian deaths is imperative, but if you think that somehow protesting george bush will end innocent deaths in wars you are unqualified for any sort of intelligent debate. it has always happened and it always will.
and war itself is inevitable. humans have been fighting them since we figured out if we killed someone else we have more for ourselves. and we will continue to fight wars until the sun implodes and swallows the earth. trying to fight only just wars is admirable and trying to minimize civilian deaths is imperative, but if you think that somehow protesting george bush will end innocent deaths in wars you are unqualified for any sort of intelligent debate. it has always happened and it always will.
has happened and always will would imply knowledge of the future. Change starts with one mind. Good thing scientists don't think that way. We'd be faacked!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
has happened and always will would imply knowledge of the future. Change starts with one mind. Good thing scientists don't think that way. We'd be faacked!
That there's no intelligent reason for blindly accepting what appears to obvious.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
wow, that sounds really deep. how has that changed human nature? sounds to me like it's just a fancy way of saying "we're still curious."
the problem is not about science. It's really more about the defeatist mindset you outlined.
To say man has not changed emotionally upstairs in just in the past 100 years is incorrect.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the problem is not about science. It's really more about the defeatist mindset you outlined.
To say man has not changed emotionally upstairs in just in the past 100 years is incorrect.
emotionally, we are still the same. intellectually we have changed. but we are still the same emotional and hormonal and instinctual creatures we have been for the last 10,000 years.
there is nothing defeatist in my mindset. there is realism in it. im not saying be passive and let war happen. im saying pick your battles. we cant undo iraq. move forward and learn from the xp. war should be a last resort and maybe this time we will have learned our lesson.
emotionally, we are still the same. intellectually we have changed. but we are still the same emotional and hormonal and instinctual creatures we have been for the last 10,000 years.
there is nothing defeatist in my mindset. there is realism in it. im not saying be passive and let war happen. im saying pick your battles. we cant undo iraq. move forward and learn from the xp. war should be a last resort and maybe this time we will have learned our lesson.
Interesting how we can sucessfully suppress our instincts like hunger, anger, and assorted other bodily functions. One could argue definite change has happened in this regard. I agree with the rest.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
it is if you're mother nature. we're a scourge on this planet. and we've always slaughtered each other. if it wasnt us killing 600,000 iraqis it would be someone else killing 600,000 other people. im so tired of hearing about iraq. we fucked up, we're there, and we can't take it back. let it go.
emotionally, we are still the same. intellectually we have changed. but we are still the same emotional and hormonal and instinctual creatures we have been for the last 10,000 years.
there is nothing defeatist in my mindset. there is realism in it. im not saying be passive and let war happen. im saying pick your battles. we cant undo iraq. move forward and learn from the xp. war should be a last resort and maybe this time we will have learned our lesson.
Man has greatly evolved from our primitive, animalistic behavior in the beginings. We used to be ok with so much that is unthinkable to support and carryout nowdays. We grown at a constant rate away from violence over time. Remember burning people at the stake, gunfights/duels in the streets, medieval torture, etc? We will continue to evolve past the thinking that killing each other is any kind of answer to our problems....and war will phase itself out as we evolve into more intelligent beings with better methods of communication and problem solving.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Interesting how we can sucessfully suppress our instincts like hunger, anger, and assorted other bodily functions. One could argue definite change has happened in this regard. I agree with the rest.
e can't suppress them. we still have to eat, we still have to shit, and if that anger doesn't come out we end up in therapy or shooting people from belltowers. we can find more appropriate places and outlets for them from time to time, but war is a fact of life. humans and animals fight for resources all the time. and so it will continue. we're not special.
Man has greatly evolved from our primitive, animalistic behavior in the beginings. We used to be ok with so much that is unthinkable to support and carryout nowdays. We grown at a constant rate away from violence over time. Remember burning people at the stake, gunfights/duels in the streets, medieval torture, etc? We will continue to evolve past the thinking that killing each other is any kind of answer to our problems....and war will phase itself out as we evolve into more intelligent beings with better methods of communication and problem solving.
I actually believe that social and biological evolution work in tandem. Because I think our biology is suited largely for social interaction, the whole idea that the brain develops according to what is expected of it. This means that there is no hard distinction between biological evolution and social evolution, although it does seem that we evolve faster socially. Some things like our ability to hibernate is not completely gone biologically, but we don't actually need to do it anymore.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
e can't suppress them. we still have to eat, we still have to shit, and if that anger doesn't come out we end up in therapy or shooting people from belltowers. we can find more appropriate places and outlets for them from time to time, but war is a fact of life. humans and animals fight for resources all the time. and so it will continue. we're not special.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Man has greatly evolved from our primitive, animalistic behavior in the beginings. We used to be ok with so much that is unthinkable to support and carryout nowdays. We grown at a constant rate away from violence over time. Remember burning people at the stake, gunfights/duels in the streets, medieval torture, etc? We will continue to evolve past the thinking that killing each other is any kind of answer to our problems....and war will phase itself out as we evolve into more intelligent beings with better methods of communication and problem solving.
really? last i checked, people were still killed in the streets every day in this country. we still torture people we consider enemies, we just have different definitions. we dont burn people at the stake, we strap them to the electric chair or give them a lethal injection. we have refined our instincts, but the call for revenge, justice, greed, power, lust, still rules us. we've just found better ways to focus it: due process before we kill people, just war before wars, jurisdictional dodges for torture. humanity is a very, very, very long way off from eradicating war and i dont believe it will ever be done. we have come a long way swinging from trees, but greed, violence, and selfishness in humanity has not slowed down one bit. only gotten more creative and with better rationalizations for it. what you're talking about is some sort of evolution to where all humans are rhodes scholars. it wont happen. most humans are dumb, animalistic creatures. it took us 10,000 years to invent due process and that certainly hasn't slowed the baser urges of humanity. people will always see an advantage in being willing to do what the other guy doesn't. and so we will always have wars. we can try to strive for peace and avoid wars that are unnecessary (like iraq), but war itself will never be gone.
i dont know how you cannot see the similarity in tactics between this post and the abortion ultrasound initiative... they're both efforts to force the distasteful into the face of people, say "look at your murder!" and browbeat them into seeing things your way. nobody is suddenly going to change their mind on the war becos someone posted a tally on the moving train. the sides have been drawn. a real plan to get out of iraq... that would be worth talking about. but this is nothing more than an attempt at guilt manipulation that will not work and comes off looking petty.
e can't suppress them. we still have to eat, we still have to shit, and if that anger doesn't come out we end up in therapy or shooting people from belltowers. we can find more appropriate places and outlets for them from time to time, but war is a fact of life. humans and animals fight for resources all the time. and so it will continue. we're not special.
We can and do suppress instincts. We just can't entirely eliminate them. Some people cannot suppress the urge to pick their noses while driving or urinating in public, but many do, so that would seem to indicate changes in instinctive behavior over time.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
We can and do suppress instincts. We just can't entirely eliminate them. Some people cannot suppress the urge to pick their noses while driving or urinating in public, but many do, so that would seem to indicate changes in instinctive behavior over time.
and as long as we can't entirely eliminate them, we will still have wars and murder and poverty and hunger. utopia is never going to happen.
really? last i checked, people were still killed in the streets every day in this country. we still torture people we consider enemies, we just have different definitions. we dont burn people at the stake, we strap them to the electric chair or give them a lethal injection. we have refined our instincts, but the call for revenge, justice, greed, power, lust, still rules us. we've just found better ways to focus it: due process before we kill people, just war before wars, jurisdictional dodges for torture. humanity is a very, very, very long way off from eradicating war and i dont believe it will ever be done. we have come a long way swinging from trees, but greed, violence, and selfishness in humanity has not slowed down one bit. only gotten more creative and with better rationalizations for it. what you're talking about is some sort of evolution to where all humans are rhodes scholars. it wont happen. most humans are dumb, animalistic creatures. it took us 10,000 years to invent due process and that certainly hasn't slowed the baser urges of humanity. people will always see an advantage in being willing to do what the other guy doesn't. and so we will always have wars. we can try to strive for peace and avoid wars that are unnecessary (like iraq), but war itself will never be gone.
i dont know how you cannot see the similarity in tactics between this post and the abortion ultrasound initiative... they're both efforts to force the distasteful into the face of people, say "look at your murder!" and browbeat them into seeing things your way. nobody is suddenly going to change their mind on the war becos someone posted a tally on the moving train. the sides have been drawn. a real plan to get out of iraq... that would be worth talking about. but this is nothing more than an attempt at guilt manipulation that will not work and comes off looking petty.
I disagree. Violence has slowed down and became much less acceptable. No one would blink about a street duel back then now it's a crime. People speak out against violent methods and are gaining ground and support. I see a lot of progress and will remain hopeful.
No one is passing a law forcing anyone to read posts here. I think it could make a difference to people who read this and may be on the fence. There are far more of those people than those of us here who have our leanings already. I think people should have to see the result of their decisions. That's the problem with America...we like to do as we please and not have to deal with the consequences. I think that's bullshit. Also, if you're discarding a fetus, who you don't consider a real 'life' yet, then why would it be upsetting to see it? I don't think it should be law but what is the problem with seeing your decision?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I disagree. Violence has slowed down and became much less acceptable. No one would blink about a street duel back then now it's a crime. People speak out against violent methods and are gaining ground and support. I see a lot of progress and will remain hopeful.
No one is passing a law forcing anyone to read posts here. I think it could make a difference to people who read this and may be on the fence. There are far more of those people than those of us here who have our leanings already. I think people should have to see the result of their decisions. That's the problem with America...we like to do as we please and not have to deal with the consequences. I think that's bullshit. Also, if you're discarding a fetus, who you don't consider a real 'life' yet, then why would it be upsetting to see it? I don't think it should be law but what is the problem with seeing your decision?
that's covered at length in the other thread. it's just shameful emotional manipulation. let your argument stand on its merits.
we should see our consequences... how about after an abortion we hold up the bloody mess of jelly and grab women and say "look what you did!" people dont come to the moving train unless they're already politically savvy, at least enough to know innocent people are dying in iraq. whose mind has this changed?
im just bored of the one trick ponies. every day a new "look how evil iraq is" thread. we know, give it a rest. how about figuring a way out of it? no, i dont have to read their thread, but i have every right to tell them their act is tired.
that's covered at length in the other thread. it's just shameful emotional manipulation. let your argument stand on its merits.
we should see our consequences... how about after an abortion we hold up the bloody mess of jelly and grab women and say "look what you did!" people dont come to the moving train unless they're already politically savvy, at least enough to know innocent people are dying in iraq. whose mind has this changed?
im just bored of the one trick ponies. every day a new "look how evil iraq is" thread. we know, give it a rest. how about figuring a way out of it? no, i dont have to read their thread, but i have every right to tell them their act is tired.
I don't understand the whole emotional problem. What is there to feel guilt about? Maybe they are saddened by what could have been? I don't know. Holding up a bloody blob would infer that the woman has did something wrong, why else would you show it to her? The same can be said for showing her the ultrsound. What's the purpose except to place guilt? She hasn't done anything wrong so there's no explanation for showing her something disgusting like that or even the ultrasound. There's no logic behind it. It IS manipulating her to feel she is doing something wrong. That's creating a guilt where there should not be one. If someone is going into an abortion clinic thinking she's killing a baby, then she shouldn't be there. You can't justify killing another person, that WOULD be murder. It's just not a person yet so no guilt should be involved, imo. However, supporting the war does mean supporting the consequences of it (killing other peopele) and guilt should be placed on those who support it for what it has caused (thousand of lives lost and families torn apart). There are no consequences of abortion except for not being pregnant anymore. You've only affected your life. One, I consider to be wrong (the war, killing people) and the other (abortion, discarding a fetus) I don't.
Iraq was and is wrong and I feel people shouldn't shut up about that until we are outta there. That's my opinion. If you don't want to be face to face with the consequences of it...maybe you should rethink your stance.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and as long as we can't entirely eliminate them, we will still have wars and murder and poverty and hunger. utopia is never going to happen.
Unfortunately instinctive behavior at this point in time affects people around the world in varying degrees. War and occupation certainly lights them all up nicely into an avalanche of regression. I don't think we are, or forever will be, at the mercy of our own brain chemicals so to speak.
The word never is a somewhat of a peculiar word in itself though.
What we need to do is to elect leaders real morals and character. Honest people. Not greedy scammers. If it's corrupted at the top were doomed until it's corrected.
Also we really need to start using the sun more. I'm looking at an ad in a magazine with a double page detailed spread of the sun with the caption "Just what every home needs. Your very own 170,000 Trillion watt power station."
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Now I have no idea what you're talking about. I never supported the war in Iraq. Why would I support one in China or the Sudan? And why does questioning causality mean that logic supports other invasions? Is logic really the word you were looking for?
actually, i think that is true.
collateral damage and civilian deaths are unavoidable in a war, so to support military action is to concede that you are comfortable with, or willing to justify, civilian deaths. in other words, a pro war supporter believes "the ends justify the means"... considering that civilian casualties are inevitable in war.
and war itself is inevitable. humans have been fighting them since we figured out if we killed someone else we have more for ourselves. and we will continue to fight wars until the sun implodes and swallows the earth. trying to fight only just wars is admirable and trying to minimize civilian deaths is imperative, but if you think that somehow protesting george bush will end innocent deaths in wars you are unqualified for any sort of intelligent debate. it has always happened and it always will.
has happened and always will would imply knowledge of the future. Change starts with one mind. Good thing scientists don't think that way. We'd be faacked!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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what has science ever changed about human nature?
That there's no intelligent reason for blindly accepting what appears to obvious.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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wow, that sounds really deep. how has that changed human nature? sounds to me like it's just a fancy way of saying "we're still curious."
the problem is not about science. It's really more about the defeatist mindset you outlined.
To say man has not changed emotionally upstairs in just in the past 100 years is incorrect.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
emotionally, we are still the same. intellectually we have changed. but we are still the same emotional and hormonal and instinctual creatures we have been for the last 10,000 years.
there is nothing defeatist in my mindset. there is realism in it. im not saying be passive and let war happen. im saying pick your battles. we cant undo iraq. move forward and learn from the xp. war should be a last resort and maybe this time we will have learned our lesson.
Interesting how we can sucessfully suppress our instincts like hunger, anger, and assorted other bodily functions. One could argue definite change has happened in this regard. I agree with the rest.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Spoken like a true American.
Coalition of the willing led by the good ol USA.
Man has greatly evolved from our primitive, animalistic behavior in the beginings. We used to be ok with so much that is unthinkable to support and carryout nowdays. We grown at a constant rate away from violence over time. Remember burning people at the stake, gunfights/duels in the streets, medieval torture, etc? We will continue to evolve past the thinking that killing each other is any kind of answer to our problems....and war will phase itself out as we evolve into more intelligent beings with better methods of communication and problem solving.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
e can't suppress them. we still have to eat, we still have to shit, and if that anger doesn't come out we end up in therapy or shooting people from belltowers. we can find more appropriate places and outlets for them from time to time, but war is a fact of life. humans and animals fight for resources all the time. and so it will continue. we're not special.
I actually believe that social and biological evolution work in tandem. Because I think our biology is suited largely for social interaction, the whole idea that the brain develops according to what is expected of it. This means that there is no hard distinction between biological evolution and social evolution, although it does seem that we evolve faster socially. Some things like our ability to hibernate is not completely gone biologically, but we don't actually need to do it anymore.
Or in elevators
http://shoutfile.com/v/Q3d4XDYZ/Crazy_Guy_in_an_Elevator
really? last i checked, people were still killed in the streets every day in this country. we still torture people we consider enemies, we just have different definitions. we dont burn people at the stake, we strap them to the electric chair or give them a lethal injection. we have refined our instincts, but the call for revenge, justice, greed, power, lust, still rules us. we've just found better ways to focus it: due process before we kill people, just war before wars, jurisdictional dodges for torture. humanity is a very, very, very long way off from eradicating war and i dont believe it will ever be done. we have come a long way swinging from trees, but greed, violence, and selfishness in humanity has not slowed down one bit. only gotten more creative and with better rationalizations for it. what you're talking about is some sort of evolution to where all humans are rhodes scholars. it wont happen. most humans are dumb, animalistic creatures. it took us 10,000 years to invent due process and that certainly hasn't slowed the baser urges of humanity. people will always see an advantage in being willing to do what the other guy doesn't. and so we will always have wars. we can try to strive for peace and avoid wars that are unnecessary (like iraq), but war itself will never be gone.
i dont know how you cannot see the similarity in tactics between this post and the abortion ultrasound initiative... they're both efforts to force the distasteful into the face of people, say "look at your murder!" and browbeat them into seeing things your way. nobody is suddenly going to change their mind on the war becos someone posted a tally on the moving train. the sides have been drawn. a real plan to get out of iraq... that would be worth talking about. but this is nothing more than an attempt at guilt manipulation that will not work and comes off looking petty.
We can and do suppress instincts. We just can't entirely eliminate them. Some people cannot suppress the urge to pick their noses while driving or urinating in public, but many do, so that would seem to indicate changes in instinctive behavior over time.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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Sorry i lost the thread a little, are you talking about the US here?
and as long as we can't entirely eliminate them, we will still have wars and murder and poverty and hunger. utopia is never going to happen.
highly evolved
I disagree. Violence has slowed down and became much less acceptable. No one would blink about a street duel back then now it's a crime. People speak out against violent methods and are gaining ground and support. I see a lot of progress and will remain hopeful.
No one is passing a law forcing anyone to read posts here. I think it could make a difference to people who read this and may be on the fence. There are far more of those people than those of us here who have our leanings already. I think people should have to see the result of their decisions. That's the problem with America...we like to do as we please and not have to deal with the consequences. I think that's bullshit. Also, if you're discarding a fetus, who you don't consider a real 'life' yet, then why would it be upsetting to see it? I don't think it should be law but what is the problem with seeing your decision?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that's covered at length in the other thread. it's just shameful emotional manipulation. let your argument stand on its merits.
we should see our consequences... how about after an abortion we hold up the bloody mess of jelly and grab women and say "look what you did!" people dont come to the moving train unless they're already politically savvy, at least enough to know innocent people are dying in iraq. whose mind has this changed?
im just bored of the one trick ponies. every day a new "look how evil iraq is" thread. we know, give it a rest. how about figuring a way out of it? no, i dont have to read their thread, but i have every right to tell them their act is tired.
Do try to follow along.
I don't understand the whole emotional problem. What is there to feel guilt about? Maybe they are saddened by what could have been? I don't know. Holding up a bloody blob would infer that the woman has did something wrong, why else would you show it to her? The same can be said for showing her the ultrsound. What's the purpose except to place guilt? She hasn't done anything wrong so there's no explanation for showing her something disgusting like that or even the ultrasound. There's no logic behind it. It IS manipulating her to feel she is doing something wrong. That's creating a guilt where there should not be one. If someone is going into an abortion clinic thinking she's killing a baby, then she shouldn't be there. You can't justify killing another person, that WOULD be murder. It's just not a person yet so no guilt should be involved, imo. However, supporting the war does mean supporting the consequences of it (killing other peopele) and guilt should be placed on those who support it for what it has caused (thousand of lives lost and families torn apart). There are no consequences of abortion except for not being pregnant anymore. You've only affected your life. One, I consider to be wrong (the war, killing people) and the other (abortion, discarding a fetus) I don't.
Iraq was and is wrong and I feel people shouldn't shut up about that until we are outta there. That's my opinion. If you don't want to be face to face with the consequences of it...maybe you should rethink your stance.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Unfortunately instinctive behavior at this point in time affects people around the world in varying degrees. War and occupation certainly lights them all up nicely into an avalanche of regression. I don't think we are, or forever will be, at the mercy of our own brain chemicals so to speak.
The word never is a somewhat of a peculiar word in itself though.
What we need to do is to elect leaders real morals and character. Honest people. Not greedy scammers. If it's corrupted at the top were doomed until it's corrected.
Also we really need to start using the sun more. I'm looking at an ad in a magazine with a double page detailed spread of the sun with the caption "Just what every home needs. Your very own 170,000 Trillion watt power station."
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")