600,000 Dead Civilians, financed by me and you

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    my2hands wrote:
    i never said do anything my way. just posting a study that shows the deaths that have been caused in iraq, financed by MY tax dollars. i am as much to blame as a pro-war supporter.

    i guess its "sick and juvenile" to discuss reality? and i guess posting this study is "emotional blackmail" :rolleyes:

    nice try dude, the study is not my opinion, it is FACT. and it is not my opinion that i have helped finance this slaughter, it is FACT.

    i got the impression you were using this study to browbeat people into supporting your anti-war agenda. i dont dispute the study's accuracy. i just dont see the point in talking about it. ok, 600000 dead... what am i supposed to say? im sorry? clearly you wanted to elicit outrage at the war, so in that sense, yes it is sick for you to exploit their deaths to further your political agenda, just as it was sick for bush to exploit the deaths of 9/11 so further his agenda.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jeffbr wrote:
    We didn't kill 600,000 people, nor did we finance the killing of 600,000 iraqis.


    Of course not...please proceed to the stupid booth immediately for reprogramming...

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    soulsinging wrote:
    it is if you're mother nature. we're a scourge on this planet. and we've always slaughtered each other. if it wasnt us killing 600,000 iraqis it would be someone else killing 600,000 other people. im so tired of hearing about iraq. we fucked up, we're there, and we can't take it back. let it go.

    You should be probably more tired from living on this board 24/7 ;)
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    my2hands wrote:
    . i am as much to blame as a pro-war supporter.

    .


    Asolutely not. Do YOU choose how your tax dollars are allocated? Nope. Can you stop paying them? Again, negative (unless you quit your job and refuse to work).
    i work and pay taxes, but in no way will accept even part of the responsibility for this shit. i pay taxes because i HAVE to, and i have absolutelyno control over how they're spent.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    chromiam wrote:
    so you're saying that US soldiers killed 600,000 Iraqi civilians???? sorry but that's not what your pretty little article is saying...

    put your head back in the sand... your ass looks prettier than your head right now.
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    my2hands wrote:
    has nothing to do with the studies post invasion figures
    yes it does.. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people before the invasion and he would still be killing them if he was in power
    certainly wouldnt be 600,000, and it wouldnt be blood i helped spill through my taxes
    again, did you send your tax money to insurgents and other groups which are making and using bombs against civilians and soldiers???
    well, we know for sure that WE invaded, destroyed the fucking country, and the end result SO FAR is 600,000 dead mothers, fathers, and siblings. no disputing that.

    but you can't say that Iraq wouldn't have become involved in a conflict which would have subjected them to casualties. Or wouldn't have killed thousands of their own people as has happened in the past. The Middle East isn't necessarily the poster child for stability...
    my question is why are people so quick to dismiss these numbers and this study?
    not dismissing the study but I'm surely not going to take it at face value when other factors could and should have been considered..
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    chromiam wrote:
    did you finance insurgents and other terrorists who make IEDs and other bombs??? cause I sure didn't....

    you probably did ... most of these organizations have ties to big multi-nationals ...
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    Asolutely not. Do YOU choose how your tax dollars are allocated? Nope. Can you stop paying them? Again, negative (unless you quit your job and refuse to work).
    i work and pay taxes, but in no way will accept even part of the responsibility for this shit. i pay taxes because i HAVE to, and i have absolutelyno control over how they're spent.

    Actually, you don't HAVE to, if you're willing to face the consequences. Three years without paying taxes for me and nothing has happened.

    I do plan on filing this year.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    im a pretty cold-hearted person. death has never seemed like a very big deal to me.
    Someday Souls, (by the grace of God :) ) You'll find yourself married. My guess is someday you will have children. Trust me, your outlook on life will be forever changed. You won't be able to stop it so don't try. Your self diagnosed "cold heart" will thaw quite a bit. ;)
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    soulsinging wrote:
    i got the impression you were using this study to browbeat people into supporting your anti-war agenda. i dont dispute the study's accuracy. i just dont see the point in talking about it. ok, 600000 dead... what am i supposed to say? im sorry? clearly you wanted to elicit outrage at the war, so in that sense, yes it is sick for you to exploit their deaths to further your political agenda, just as it was sick for bush to exploit the deaths of 9/11 so further his agenda.


    so to talk about the reality's of this war is to exploit their deaths for my agenda?

    you are full of shit, and honestly out of line.


    since you need some help with clarification, the intent of my post is to point out that no matter your stance on the war, WE ARE ALL SUPPORTING IT THROUGH OUR FEDERAL TAXES. we have financed this slaughter, whether you like it or not.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    my2hands wrote:
    i see you didnt answer my question?

    if the war is not the reason for the 600,000 dead, then what is?

    A combination of US military killing Iraqis, Iraqis killing US military, and Iraqis killing Iraqis. Tribal/Sect warfare has been going on in that region forever. They kill each other daily. They were killing each other daily before we got there. I know you don't like to acknowlege Saddam, but he did, in fact, cause death to hundreds of thousands, and would have likely continued to do so.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    gue_barium wrote:
    Actually, you don't HAVE to, if you're willing to face the consequences. Three years without paying taxes for me and nothing has happened.

    I do plan on filing this year.


    edited, bc i dont trust everyone.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    Actually, you don't HAVE to, if you're willing to face the consequences. Three years without paying taxes for me and nothing has happened.

    I do plan on filing this year.

    Self employed?

    either way that shit'll catch up to ya. ;)
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    jeffbr wrote:
    I know you don't like to acknowlege Saddam, but he did, in fact, cause death to hundreds of thousands, and would have likely continued to do so.


    ok, lets invade Sudan and China. your logic would support it, actually your logic would support the invasion of half the fucking planet.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    http://www.nwtrcc.org/


    national war tax resistance coordianting committee
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You should be probably more tired from living on this board 24/7 ;)

    it's a good distraction from class :)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I guess not having rows of Walmart and Bigmacs in every other country is somewhat of a vacation wrecker for most overwieght, undereducated, self absorbed US citizens.... :D
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    soulsinging wrote:
    it's a good distraction from class :)

    hahhaa... yes that it would be.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cornnifer wrote:
    Someday Souls, (by the grace of God :) ) You'll find yourself married. My guess is someday you will have children. Trust me, your outlook on life will be forever changed. You won't be able to stop it so don't try. Your self diagnosed "cold heart" will thaw quite a bit. ;)

    i dont know... you think id already feel that way about my brothers and parents. but death is not a big deal. i esp dont understand why christians are so torn up about it... you get to go to heaven right? and if there is no heaven, then we become dust and dont even remember living. in either case, death is not unpleasant for the dead person, so it's selfish of me to moan about them not being where i want them to be. but that's a whole other thread. :)
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    my2hands wrote:
    so to talk about the reality's of this war is to exploit their deaths for my agenda?

    you are full of shit, and honestly out of line.

    since you need some help with clarification, the intent of my post is to point out that no matter your stance on the war, WE ARE ALL SUPPORTING IT THROUGH OUR FEDERAL TAXES. we have financed this slaughter, whether you like it or not.

    really? seriously? jesus, i had no idea! you mean our taxes funded the war and innocent people have died in it? why wasnt i notified of this?

    oh yeah... duh! who is this news to?

    yes, you're just like bush in the way you are exploiting innocent deaths for your political views. we all know innocents have died. we all know the war was funded by taxes. you didnt suddenly inform anyone. you are just trying to browbeat them the way the admin did. he said "support the war or you hate america." you say "oppose the war or you like murdering innocents." neither is true.

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