600,000 Dead Civilians, financed by me and you
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i am responsible for the financing of 600,000 dead civilians. makes me feel real good about my government, and my federal taxes. even if we dont support the war, we are all supporting it financially. how does that make you feel?
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece
British Backtrack on Iraq Death Toll
By Jill Lawless
The Independent UK
Tuesday 27 March 2007
British government officials have backed the methods used by scientists who concluded that more than 600,000 Iraqis have been killed since the invasion, the BBC reported yesterday.
The Government publicly rejected the findings, published in The Lancet in October. But the BBC said documents obtained under freedom of information legislation showed advisers concluded that the much-criticised study had used sound methods.
The study, conducted by researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and the Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, estimated that 655,000 more Iraqis had died since March 2003 than one would expect without the war. The study estimated that 601,027 of those deaths were from violence.
The researchers, reflecting the inherent uncertainties in such extrapolations, said they were 95 per cent certain that the real number of deaths lay somewhere between 392,979 and 942,636.
The conclusion, based on interviews and not a body count, was disputed by some experts, and rejected by the US and British governments. But the chief scientific adviser to the Ministry of Defence, Roy Anderson, described the methods used in the study as "robust" and "close to best practice". Another official said it was "a tried and tested way of measuring mortality in conflict zones".
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece
British Backtrack on Iraq Death Toll
By Jill Lawless
The Independent UK
Tuesday 27 March 2007
British government officials have backed the methods used by scientists who concluded that more than 600,000 Iraqis have been killed since the invasion, the BBC reported yesterday.
The Government publicly rejected the findings, published in The Lancet in October. But the BBC said documents obtained under freedom of information legislation showed advisers concluded that the much-criticised study had used sound methods.
The study, conducted by researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and the Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, estimated that 655,000 more Iraqis had died since March 2003 than one would expect without the war. The study estimated that 601,027 of those deaths were from violence.
The researchers, reflecting the inherent uncertainties in such extrapolations, said they were 95 per cent certain that the real number of deaths lay somewhere between 392,979 and 942,636.
The conclusion, based on interviews and not a body count, was disputed by some experts, and rejected by the US and British governments. But the chief scientific adviser to the Ministry of Defence, Roy Anderson, described the methods used in the study as "robust" and "close to best practice". Another official said it was "a tried and tested way of measuring mortality in conflict zones".
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thats not even fucking funny dickhead
it is if you're mother nature. we're a scourge on this planet. and we've always slaughtered each other. if it wasnt us killing 600,000 iraqis it would be someone else killing 600,000 other people. im so tired of hearing about iraq. we fucked up, we're there, and we can't take it back. let it go.
then why dont you do the planet a favor and remove one more scourge? or maybe the scourge is your mother, grandmother, brother, sister?
i wonder if you would joke if it was your mother that had her head blown off, and was dismissed as "collateral damage"?
i bet it wouldnt be a fucking joke then, now would it?
I'm pretty sure a few Iraqis were killed under Saddam's reign before we got there. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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im a pretty cold-hearted person. death has never seemed like a very big deal to me.
yes. somewhere. they would have died of starvation or disease. they die every day, all over the planet. we've sped it up a bit perhaps and made ourselves culpable for some of the death, which is shameful. but we did it, and i dont see a point in continuously dwelling on it or flogging ourselves for it like medieval self-hating and guilt-ridden catholics. learn from it and move on. making 1900 threads on the pearl jam msg pit about it is not going to alter future policy or bring back the dead people.
sorry to hear that
dont apologize, you didnt offend me.
this study takes into account deaths that have resulted because of the invasion.
i find it funny that after we invade, destroy the fucking place, and slaughter everything in sight (see "shock and awe") we start to blame others for the mess and death toll. nice try chrom, it doesnt fly with me.
until it is someone you know i assume? it is easy to dismiss death if it doesnt affect you personaly.
whatever helps you sleep at night...
it is a fact that the 600,000 dead are a direct result of the invasion and 4 year war. dont kid yourself.
Well, honestly, it makes me feel embarassed, upset, apologetic and pissed off all at once for several different reasons.
Plenty of others dispute the study. Don't kid yourself. You've built a reputation of doom and gloom. I know it helps you get through the day having something to feel shitty about.
I've never been a proponent of the war, I hate that we're there, and I wish we'd get the hell out tomorrow. But 655,000 since the invasion doesn't equal 655,000 because of the invasion.
me too, good way to put it.
so what were they caused by, tornadoes?
Sand spiders.
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so you're saying that US soldiers killed 600,000 Iraqi civilians???? sorry but that's not what your pretty little article is saying...
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(Just to clarify: to me it shouldn't have happened.)
no, even when it is people i know. several of them. grandparents, uncles, friend's mothers, close friends who hung themselves. tragedy is a part of human existence and death is the natural and inevitable result of life. im not running out to meet it, but shit happens and im not going to dwell on a past i cannot change.
no, he wont. he's one of the worst presidents we've ever had and the iraq war was a disaster from day one. but this sort of guilt trip nonsense is helping nothing.
no need to be condescending chrom...
and no, i am not saying US soldiers are persoanly responsible for all iraqi casualties... what i am saying is that the invasion has been responsible for the casualties. the death toll takes into account all deaths that have been a result of the war that would not have happened if not for the invasion and occupation.
Glad to hear it. [/quote]
This may be where the denial comes in. Are you suggesting that Iraq was a peaceful place until we arrived? Are you denying the 100s of thousands of deaths that occurred under Saddam prior to our arrival?