what's the fucking deal with Israel?
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Cosmo wrote:...
How about israel giving up the territories that seized in 1967 and 1973... The Golan Heights to Syria, The West Bank to Jordan and the Gaza Strip to Egypt. Then, it becomes Syria's, Jordan's and Eqypt's responsibility to control their side of the border. Failure to control Palestinians in Egypt, for example, results in Egypt being held accountable.
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Also... I pretty sure I can find ONE Israeli who will tell me he/she refuses to live with Palestinians.
So Isreal should relenquish the entire country and cease to exist... well now, that's a great idea isnt it? get serious...
why wont the US give back most of the south to Mexico? Including California, Az, NM and TX?4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08
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I'd like to put in an order to the powers that be...
More rational thinking humans in the world please!
and expedite the delivery
thx...Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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NYbenben wrote:show me any country that leaders are not corrupt including mine and yours!! However, there is a difference between wanting to live in peace and having to deal with people killing your constituates and countrymen EVERY DAY just for a peace of land? Have we all gone mad? Hamas may have been fairly elected into government but they were declared a terrorist group a long time before that!! get the facts straight. FACT-- HAMAS IS A TERRORIST GROUP!!
Oh, I'll happily admit that my government has its corrupt elements. But we're not pledging "unbreakable" friendship to a government that's launching air strikes on civilian territories. So it's apples and oranges really.
But:NYbenben wrote:However, there is a difference between wanting to live in peace and having to deal with people killing your constituates and countrymen EVERY DAY just for a peace of land?
Welcome to the Palestinians plight.Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.0 -
airstrikes are not targeting civilian areas... the fact is that these Hamas assholes shoot off their rockets from theses civilian areas without any regard for their own people. you think they give a shit about their own people? if they did would they promise them such bullshit in order for them to go blow themselves up in order to kill a few israeli's? When was the last time you heard about an Isreali strap a bomb to their body and blow up women and children in a mall or restaurant?
what are israeli's supposed to do, accept being murdered without any retaliation? Why would they? Why should they?
The US pleadges unbreakable ties to Israel because, they are a force to recon with in the region and they are the last frontier in the Wild Middle East... Without Israel there, we would have a hell of an issue in this world...4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08
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...NYbenben wrote:So Isreal should relenquish the entire country and cease to exist... well now, that's a great idea isnt it? get serious...
why wont the US give back most of the south to Mexico? Including California, Az, NM and TX?
You are laughable.
Golan, the West Bank, Gaza... those are still called Territories. They were occupied to end the wars.
I'm not saying you are an idiot.. but your remark is pure idiocy. Had you said, "What? We should give Iraq back to Iraq? We won it fair and square... it's ours now". that would have been closer in relation to israel's military occupation of the seized territories.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Call me a dreamer, but the US didnt take over Iraq last i checked... yes, the US military is in there, but i believe that they will someday be out of there.... i dont think the US has any intention to build houses for US Citizens or or for folks of any other country other than Iraqi's. Some day (perhaps in 50 yrs :-) ) the US may be out of Iraq... Iraq was not and has not been taken away from Iraq. We didnt take it away... our asshole leader felt that he needed to liberate it... what a great job he has done there... we were better off with Saddam.Cosmo wrote:...
You are laughable.
Golan, the West Bank, Gaza... those are still called Territories. They were occupied to end the wars.
I'm not saying you are an idiot.. but your remark is pure idiocy. Had you said, "What? We should give Iraq back to Iraq? We won it fair and square... it's ours now". that would have been closer in relation to israel's military occupation of the seized territories.4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08
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NYbenben wrote:When was the last time you heard about an Isreali strap a bomb to their body and blow up women and children in a mall or restaurant?
Why would they when they can just snipe some little kid in the head with the latest technology weapon of the day and go drinkning with their buddies afterwards. Don't even break a sweat.
Why kill yourself?...that's a poor mans act of desperation.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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NYbenben wrote:airstrikes are not targeting civilian areas... the fact is that these Hamas assholes shoot off their rockets from theses civilian areas without any regard for their own people. you think they give a shit about their own people? if they did would they promise them such bullshit in order for them to go blow themselves up in order to kill a few israeli's? When was the last time you heard about an Isreali strap a bomb to their body and blow up women and children in a mall or restaurant?
what are israeli's supposed to do, accept being murdered without any retaliation? Why would they? Why should they?
The US pleadges unbreakable ties to Israel because, they are a force to recon with in the region and they are the last frontier in the Wild Middle East... Without Israel there, we would have a hell of an issue in this world...
Without Israel, we'd have a hell of an issue? They're causing a hell of an issue! And you're right, Israelis don't tend to do suicide bombings - military strikes are so much more civilised, don't you think?
And fuck's sake, retaliation? The amount of unprovoked attacks on Palestine that have been reported, not just in the news, but on this very board thanks to consciencious folks like Byrnzie and Roland and CateFrances, is impossible to miss. But not for the pro-Israel crowd - anything less than blind support is tantamount to anti-Semitic, let's-wipe-Israel-off-the-map terrorist propoganda.Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.0 -
sorry to say... but this discussion/arguement has been going on for a long time... we can waste our time and breath arguing till we're blue in the face. we all have our points of view and our beliefs... what to do...
this wont be resolved on this thread, on this message board... that is for sure.
Lets just agree to disagree... we're better off.
we can however agree on one thing... MUSIC!!4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08
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here's a heart warming story from earlier in the day....
official: Hamas never to recognize Israel
+ - 19:41, May 14, 2008
Mahmoud al-Zahar, a senior leader of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), stressed on Wednesday that his movement will never recognize the state of Israel, which would "disappear one day" by armed resistance.
Al-Zahar was speaking at the opening ceremony of the conference to revive al-Nakba, or the catastrophe, an expression the Palestinians use for the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948.
"Israel is going to disappear one day and the Palestinian people will remain to fully liberate all their occupied lands," he said.
The conference in Gaza, which is called "sixty years for the Nakba and the return is coming," coincides with the Israeli celebration of its 60th anniversary.
"We bring good news that the day of liberation and return is coming because we are good readers of reality. And the powers of wars and destruction can not terrify us," al-Zahar stated.
Israel, the United States and Europe are listing Hamas movement among the world's terrorist organizations. The movement which took control of Gaza last summer refuses to recognize Israel or to condemn violence.
"On the occasion of the Nakba we reiterate that we will never recognize the raping enemy, we will never recognize Israel," shouted al-Zahar amid the attendants' cheering.
He added that "our lands are not for sale or for trade, and the right of resistance is holy. We will struggle by culture, by industry, by gun and by rocket."
notice he didn't say they were going to find a way to get rid of post-1967 occupied land, he said all of Israel was going to disappear.0 -
MLC2006 wrote:here's a heart warming story from earlier in the day....
official: Hamas never to recognize Israel
+ - 19:41, May 14, 2008
Mahmoud al-Zahar, a senior leader of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), stressed on Wednesday that his movement will never recognize the state of Israel, which would "disappear one day" by armed resistance.
Al-Zahar was speaking at the opening ceremony of the conference to revive al-Nakba, or the catastrophe, an expression the Palestinians use for the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948.
"Israel is going to disappear one day and the Palestinian people will remain to fully liberate all their occupied lands," he said.
The conference in Gaza, which is called "sixty years for the Nakba and the return is coming," coincides with the Israeli celebration of its 60th anniversary.
"We bring good news that the day of liberation and return is coming because we are good readers of reality. And the powers of wars and destruction can not terrify us," al-Zahar stated.
Israel, the United States and Europe are listing Hamas movement among the world's terrorist organizations. The movement which took control of Gaza last summer refuses to recognize Israel or to condemn violence.
"On the occasion of the Nakba we reiterate that we will never recognize the raping enemy, we will never recognize Israel," shouted al-Zahar amid the attendants' cheering.
He added that "our lands are not for sale or for trade, and the right of resistance is holy. We will struggle by culture, by industry, by gun and by rocket."
notice he didn't say they were going to find a way to get rid of post-1967 occupied land, he said all of Israel was going to disappear.
Now that is reasonable thinking isnt it? I think in history there was another man who tried to do something similar... Oh yeah... but according to some of the guys out in the middle east, The Holocaust never happend....4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08
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Time and learning is what is required here.
Lots of both..Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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double postProgress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:No one on this site has ever said that. See my post above.
my comment was not geared toward you or what anyone said on this thread... it was geared toward the comment made in the artilce that was posted about Israel dissapearing...4/12/92, 8/11/92, 9/28/96, 9/11/98, 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 7/9/03, 4/30/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 12/9/05, 5/12/06, 5/17/06, 5/28/06, 6/3/06, 12/9/06, EV LA 4/12-4/13/08, 6/12/08, 6,19,08, 6,20,08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 7/1/08
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...NYbenben wrote:Call me a dreamer, but the US didnt take over Iraq last i checked... yes, the US military is in there, but i believe that they will someday be out of there.... i dont think the US has any intention to build houses for US Citizens or or for folks of any other country other than Iraqi's. Some day (perhaps in 50 yrs :-) ) the US may be out of Iraq... Iraq was not and has not been taken away from Iraq. We didnt take it away... our asshole leader felt that he needed to liberate it... what a great job he has done there... we were better off with Saddam.
It's the same thing... land, occupied by force. West Bank, Gaza, Golan, Iraq... all (military) occupied territories.
And guess what? You don't build houses for your citizens in occupied territories. You are there to reduce violence, not to take their land. The West Bank belongs to Jordan, Golan to Syria and Gaza to Egypt. Building homes for Israelis is the same thing as the U.S. building houses for me in Baghdad.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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NYbenben wrote:my comment was not geared toward you or what anyone said on this thread... it was geared toward the comment made in the artilce that was posted about Israel dissapearing...
I just realized I misread that..my bad.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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NYbenben wrote:Now that is reasonable thinking isnt it? I think in history there was another man who tried to do something similar... Oh yeah... but according to some of the guys out in the middle east, The Holocaust never happend....
no, you can't bring up the persecution of the Jews throughout history on this board. that would be "milking it".0 -
MLC2006 wrote:no, you can't bring up the persecution of the Jews throughout history on this board. that would be "milking it".
Black people were slaves for centuries in America. Should they be allowed enslave - or murder, whynot? - innocent civilians too?Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.0 -
Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:Black people were slaves for centuries in America. Should they be allowed enslave - or murder, whynot? - innocent civilians too?
actually black people were slaves in America for 83 years, not centuries.
but no, black people and white people in America aren't killing each other over land. what's going on in Palestine is a tango, and it takes 2 to tango.0 -
MLC2006 wrote:actually black people were slaves in America for 83 years, not centuries.
but no, black people and white people in America aren't killing each other over land. what's going on in Palestine is a tango, and it takes 2 to tango.
Call it hyperbole.
But that 2 to tango argument is a little strained - when Germany ploughed through France, was the French resistance at fault?Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.0
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