dog says niggar in private conversation and loses career

MahoganySouls

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i also like the fact that this assfuck has had children with 5 different women...

5 wives????

what a guy!!!!!

nothing like a good decent family man......

hahahahahahaha...............

kinda sounds like people he was referencing

MahoganySouls

soulsinging wrote:

which is why black people take issue with crackers like you using the word. becos a word that used to be used to describe black people is now supposed to be synonymous with lazy or disrespectful behavior. yeah, i can't see why they'd take offense.

and what does "cracker" denote?

Cosmo

Jeanie wrote:

Call me vacuous, and I'm sure you'd like to , BUT weren't the people on the pit posting thread after thread after thread about Eddie wearing the t-shirt because they were offended? He wore a swastika on a T-shirt in a public forum and it caused a furor. Until people clarified.
All I can see here is that Dogg or whatever his name is has said something in PRIVATE that people find offensive and it's now become public, they're dancing up and down about it. And on anybody that dares to mention it. Levelling all kinds of crap at the op because THEY haven't clarified.

Swastikas really hold no power. It's the perceived message behind them.
Words like nigger hold no power either, it's still the perceived message behind them. They both hold as MUCH power as YOU, the individual are prepared to place upon them.

I don't really see how attacking people for even bothering to mention it ACTUALLY does anything? And what I do find sad is that people aren't able to get past these things. There is something radically wrong in the world if people find it necessary to attack others based on a swastika on a t-shirt (however it was represented) or by drawing people's attention to an issue of privacy invasion they get attacked for having the word nigger as part of the furore. While we're all busy attacking each other for how we express ourselves, things like Nazism and racism are thriving.

Anyway, I kinda get what you're saying, but I don't know if it's about winning?
If it makes you feel better I can give you a packet of Doritos for participating!

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Tell your Swastika story to my Jewish friends. My friend Jill... she would probably have a few more great aunts if it weren't for that Swastika. Tell her it means nothing.
And yes they are symbols... symbols that represent something. There is a big difference between wearing a swastika on your shirt and wearing a shirt with a swastika crossed out on it... in case you didn't know. one says Yes to nazis... the other says NO!!! There in lies the difference. I'm surprized I had to explain that to anyone.
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And if you think we are attacking your friend... then, i think you need to go back and actually READ some of the stuff he says... just pretend it is SoulSinging saying those words... and re-assess your view. if they remain intact... then, we know where you are coming from.
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The bottom line... white people... don't pretend you're black... or a friend of the blacks... JUST so you can say Nigger and get away with it. You aren't black and you will never be black so quit saying that shit. If the black dudes want to call each other Nigger... let them be. Let them sort out that shit if they see it as a problem.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

MahoganySouls wrote:

kinda sounds like people he was referencing

i smell a racist.........

norm

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i smell a racist.........

the whole thread stinks and with every new post it becomes more sewer-like....

MahoganySouls

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i smell a racist.........

I smell a hypocrite.

catefrances

eddie wore a tshirt with a swastika on it? and it was crossed out? and people got offended because of it? damn... where was i when that thread was going around?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

MahoganySouls wrote:

I smell a hypocrite.

did your kids have a nice halloween????

what do you have planned for thanksgiving?????

soulsinging

MahoganySouls wrote:

and what does "cracker" denote?

beats the fuck out of me. but i'm white and attempting to take back the word. i'd feel disrespected if a black dude called me that.

MahoganySouls

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

did your kids have a nice halloween????

what do you have planned for thanksgiving?????

is that all you got?

catefrances

and i love the smell of napalm in the morning... it smells like victory.

MahoganySouls

soulsinging wrote:

beats the fuck out of me. but i'm white and attempting to take back the word. i'd feel disrespected if a black dude called me that.

na, just spread some peanut butter and jelly on it and own it.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

MahoganySouls wrote:

Wow and I thought America had this little thing called "freedom of speech". I guess not.

right....

just like i had the freedom to say koreans cook a great dog....

but when i said that.....your fucking dumbass called me a racist....

you are so fucking full of shit mahogony it is coming out of your fucking ears......

MahoganySouls

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

right....

just like i had the freedom to say koreans cook a great dog....

but when i said that.....your fucking dumbass called me a racist....

you are so fucking full of shit mahogony it is coming out of your fucking ears......

enjoy your ban

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

i don't even know what you're talking about. things dog said? or things onelongsong said? what way do i do it? for that matter, what do i do?

i've never seen you so pissed at me. funny how it comes when im excoriating racists... guilty conscience?

Firstly I'm not pissed AT YOU. I'm pissed at WHAT YOU SAID. And that's probably not even your fault, it has more to do with my expectations of you.

I would have expected that you were smart enough to see this for what it is. A complete and utter breach of someone's privacy (regardless of what a tool this dog guy appears to be) followed by people here completely losing the issue because they were convinced that the op was a racist. The very mention of the word nigger seems to set everyone off getting ready to pigeonhole and while they're busy doing that they get themselves all worked up and misconstrue things.

I made the analogy about you and the things you say about women, because as far as I can see, you readily admit when it comes to women, you have issues. You say and do things that are construed as offensive. Women around here have been offended by your comments in droves and you know it. You also know that I don't think that makes you a bad person or even a misogynist or even sexist. When it comes to the issue of women, your personal experience colors what you say. Once people understand where you are coming from they tend to see your point of view a lot of the time and as it turns out, your comments can be a little off sometimes but generally I think you don't hate women at all.

I also know that OLS isn't a racist, but he doesn't articulate himself very well, or use populist terminology when he posts. That seems to make it ok to label him racist and belittle him because people aren't even attempting to understand his pov. The problem isn't anything to do with OLS or you or me.
It has everything to do with people NOT taking a step back and attempting to understand each other. And lets face it, if we can't even manage it on a message board what the hell hope have we of re educating people about serious things like racism and freedom of speech and sexism and all those other shitty things that people do to each other? It's not enough to label it, assume what other people think and then dismiss them for what we perceive as wrong thinking. In order to CHANGE the way this stuff happens in the world we have to understand each others point of view and educate each other.

My conscience is clear ss. The only thing I'm not happy about with regard to myself here is I'm guilty of defending someone that I know to be ill that has difficulty articulating to others. But then I see that there's a lot of that going on lately, so maybe I shouldn't feel so bad about myself?

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

and i love the smell of napalm in the morning... it smells like victory.

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Ever wonder... who the fuck invented the flame thrower? I mean, why not just shoot the dude.. right? Who sat at the drawing board and said to himself, "I want him... that guy, way over there... to be on fire"?

Intothewild

MahoganySouls wrote:

Wow and I thought America had this little thing called "freedom of speech". I guess not.

Freedom of Speech only applies to the government's ability to censure speech, which they still can and do time and time again. Employers have the right to censure the speech of their employees at will. If Dog's employer is hurt because he got caught using a word, in any context, that only the most uneducated and idiotic racists would use, then it is fully within the power of the employer to fire his ass......and rightfully so. This board, I am sure, has few african americans on it, otherwise they would be chiming in. Wake up white America, just dont say the fucking word. What so hard about that?

MahoganySouls

Intothewild wrote:

Freedom of Speech only applies to the government's ability to censure speech, which they still can and do time and time again. Employers have the right to censure the speech of their employees at will. If Dog's employer is hurt because he got caught using a word, in any context, that only the most uneducated and idiotic racists would use, then it is fully within the power of the employer to fire his ass......and rightfully so. This board, I am sure, has few african americans on it, otherwise they would be chiming in. Wake up white America, just dont say the fucking word. What so hard about that?

Wouldn't that be censorship then? As I recall, this board went completely bonkers when PJ was censored at Lolla.

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

i believe cosmo handled that one adequately. you seem pretty upset that people find nigger offensive. hampering your vocabulary?

You know it's sad that you feel the need to lower yourself to petty insults. You're better than that.

norm

Cosmo wrote:

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Ever wonder... who the fuck invented the flame thrower? I mean, why not just shoot the dude.. right? Who sat at the drawing board and said to himself, "I want him... that guy, way over there... to be on fire"?

before this thing gets locked...;)...i just wanna say that that's fucking hysterical......:D