unempowered and underprivileged people should be helped, I agree. I never said otherwise.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yes. And you seem to be passing a lot of judgement about the people who would benefit from UHC and that's primarily what I take exception to.
my main concern with UHC is LACK OF QUALITY OF CARE. and a rapid decline in the current care available. I think there are many who should receive benefits. I've said it 10 fucking times in this thread. like I said, I dont think you are listening.
Just because he had the ability to work in the past doesn't mean he has the ability to work now or that his situation isn't different in some other way. Perhaps he doesn't feel the need to justify or explain himself or his personal life.
no he doesnt owe me an explanation. I base my thoughts on everything he has said so far. He has shown no reason to think he is not fully capable of taking care of himself. quite the opposite actually. knowing that, I think its laughable that he can demand I take care of him.
The US is a land of opportunity, go make a million $$$ and plan dumb asses!
Goto school, get a job, support yourself, and stop depending on the gov. to care for you!
Thank you.
(let the WAHHHHHHHH'ing begin)
A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are.
The US is a land of opportunity, go make a million $$$ and plan dumb asses!
Goto school, get a job, support yourself, and stop depending on the gov. to care for you!
Thank you.
(let the WAHHHHHHHH'ing begin)
That's the point, They're not taking care of people.
Or maybe... much like some others on this thread...you haven't met the people I've met. It's tough for a 7 year old to get a job.
I bet my life, given the choice to work hard and better yourself or take free handouts from the government....what would u chose? hmmmm
Are you saying you think she would choose to take free handouts rather than work hard and better herself? If so, just say it. As it stands, you haven't said what you would bet your life on.
I bet my life, given the choice to work hard and better yourself or take free handouts from the government....what would u chose? hmmmm
I don't know what you're implying...You'd bet your life what? That I would take a handout or not?
Interesting.
I quit working when I had my son. I was eligible for WIC and I didn't apply for it. I only didn't do it because DSS here where I live is soooo messed up that I didn't even want to deal with them. I kind of regret it because I could have used it. I was only not working because I wanted to raise my infant son....AND... I would have had to return to my job when my son was 8 weeks old and I had no trustworthy daycare. No family to care for my eight week old infant...and if I put him into a top-notch day care so he could be raised by top-notch strangers it would have cost over $500 a week.
Hmmmm...Still wondering what you meant by the post. Oh well. I've got to get my weekend going. I've got company coming tonight.
The bunch of freeloaders had better bring their own beer and government cheese! I'm not sharing mine.
no I'm not kidding. find me where I said otherwise.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that whenever you're given an example of an underprivileged or unempowered person, you pass judgement that they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps like you did.
its called determination. doesnt matter what your IQ is or where you came from. and maybe its also a good idea not to have kids if you cant afford to take care of them. just a thought.
That's the point, They're not taking care of people.
Or maybe... much like some others on this thread...you haven't met the people I've met. It's tough for a 7 year old to get a job.
Child labor laws are so fucked!!!!!!!!!
Oh well. Ignorance is bliss.
Bye for the weekend.
The 7 year olds parent's needs to take care of him or her, not me!
Lets take a good look at the medicaid system, flush out the drug addicts, the lazy, and the undocumented and we will have plenty of $$ to spen on those who might really need it.
And I do know the people you work with.........
A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are.
The 7 year olds parent's needs to take care of him or her, not me!
Lets take a good look at the medicaid system, flush out the drug addicts, the lazy, and the undocumented and we will have plenty of $$ to spen on those who might really need it.
And I do know the people you work with.........
Do 7-year-olds whose parents can't/don't take care of them not need and deserve health care too? Do people who are addicted to drugs, lazy, and/or undocumented not need healthcare too?
Even people who are only looking out for their own best interest have to realize that giving these people healthcare is in their own best interest. Hospitals can't turn away, for instance, a woman in labor - even if she is undocumented or addicted to drugs or lazy/broke. But on average it is much more expensive to care for a woman/baby when the woman hasn't received prenatal care. If we had just given her the prenatal care (or abortion or birth control) to begin with we could have saved the expense - and the potentially devastating effects - of dealing with this situation.
P.S. The Medicaid system has already "flushed out" the people who are undocumented in most situations. That's a good term to describe the situation though.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that whenever you're given an example of an underprivileged or unempowered person, you pass judgement that they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps like you did.
Oh, but I AM listening. I'm listening to you criticize people whose lives you can't comprehend.
no you're not listening. I support universal healtcare for children, granted choices arent taken away.
no you're not listening. I support universal healtcare for children, granted choices arent taken away.
I read it earlier when you said you support healthcare for children and a few other groups you judge to be worthy. I just don't think it's your place to judge other people.
Bravo, though, on the good start. But let's evolve from there.
why should I pay for others irresponsibility? don't have kids if you cant afford to take care of them. got it?
Do you not understand the imperfect science of family planning - especially in the absence healthcare? Or do you think poor people have no right to have sex?
I read it earlier when you said you support healthcare for children and a few other groups you judge to be worthy. I just don't think it's your place to judge other people.
Bravo, though, on the good start. But let's evolve from there.
evolving? good start? wow pay attention! I've said I would support child healthcare from post one.
Do you not understand the imperfect science of family planning - especially in the absence healthcare? Or do you think poor people have no right to have sex?
poor people can fuck and pop out as many kids as they want. just dont ask me to pay to take care of them. sorry, I don't financial support stupidity.
poor people can fuck and pop out as many kids as they want. just dont ask me to pay to take care of them. sorry, I don't financial support stupidity.
well what about those of us who don't want to support the gov't's horrible foreign policy decisions? Like who they aid, fund and prop up...and all these wars that turn out disasterous and were unnecessary to begin with? Or the extremely bloated and wasteful defense budget?
Why should we have to pay for that?
Don't expect me to pay for your cowardice of bombing brown folks in 3rd world countries because you're afraid they might come get you.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Right, I get that. But now we need to move on to caring about people over the age of 18.
the line has to be drawn somewhere. if not, then you will flood the system will people abusing it just because they can and as a result, quality of care will drop. do you care about the actual quality of care don't you?
I read it earlier when you said you support healthcare for children and a few other groups you judge to be worthy. I just don't think it's your place to judge other people.
Bravo, though, on the good start. But let's evolve from there.
He supports healthcare for children UNDER a certain age. (I guess teens don't need healthcare. Or maybe they should be "determined.")
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Yes. And you seem to be passing a lot of judgement about the people who would benefit from UHC and that's primarily what I take exception to.
OMG!!! You're kidding, right???
That really does deserve this!
no I'm not kidding. find me where I said otherwise.
my main concern with UHC is LACK OF QUALITY OF CARE. and a rapid decline in the current care available. I think there are many who should receive benefits. I've said it 10 fucking times in this thread. like I said, I dont think you are listening.
Goto school, get a job, support yourself, and stop depending on the gov. to care for you!
Thank you.
(let the WAHHHHHHHH'ing begin)
That's the point, They're not taking care of people.
Or maybe... much like some others on this thread...you haven't met the people I've met. It's tough for a 7 year old to get a job.
Child labor laws are so fucked!!!!!!!!!
Oh well. Ignorance is bliss.
Bye for the weekend.
I bet my life, given the choice to work hard and better yourself or take free handouts from the government....what would u chose? hmmmm
Are you saying you think she would choose to take free handouts rather than work hard and better herself? If so, just say it. As it stands, you haven't said what you would bet your life on.
I don't know what you're implying...You'd bet your life what? That I would take a handout or not?
Interesting.
I quit working when I had my son. I was eligible for WIC and I didn't apply for it. I only didn't do it because DSS here where I live is soooo messed up that I didn't even want to deal with them. I kind of regret it because I could have used it. I was only not working because I wanted to raise my infant son....AND... I would have had to return to my job when my son was 8 weeks old and I had no trustworthy daycare. No family to care for my eight week old infant...and if I put him into a top-notch day care so he could be raised by top-notch strangers it would have cost over $500 a week.
Hmmmm...Still wondering what you meant by the post. Oh well. I've got to get my weekend going. I've got company coming tonight.
The bunch of freeloaders had better bring their own beer and government cheese! I'm not sharing mine.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that whenever you're given an example of an underprivileged or unempowered person, you pass judgement that they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps like you did.
Oh, but I AM listening. I'm listening to you criticize people whose lives you can't comprehend.
Here's a start...but really I don't have time to search through all the other things you said. But here is a start....
The 7 year olds parent's needs to take care of him or her, not me!
Lets take a good look at the medicaid system, flush out the drug addicts, the lazy, and the undocumented and we will have plenty of $$ to spen on those who might really need it.
And I do know the people you work with.........
GO to Canada....
Nah, we like it here....just wanna change a few things up
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
why should I pay for others irresponsibility? don't have kids if you cant afford to take care of them. got it?
Do 7-year-olds whose parents can't/don't take care of them not need and deserve health care too? Do people who are addicted to drugs, lazy, and/or undocumented not need healthcare too?
Even people who are only looking out for their own best interest have to realize that giving these people healthcare is in their own best interest. Hospitals can't turn away, for instance, a woman in labor - even if she is undocumented or addicted to drugs or lazy/broke. But on average it is much more expensive to care for a woman/baby when the woman hasn't received prenatal care. If we had just given her the prenatal care (or abortion or birth control) to begin with we could have saved the expense - and the potentially devastating effects - of dealing with this situation.
P.S. The Medicaid system has already "flushed out" the people who are undocumented in most situations. That's a good term to describe the situation though.
no you're not listening. I support universal healtcare for children, granted choices arent taken away.
I read it earlier when you said you support healthcare for children and a few other groups you judge to be worthy. I just don't think it's your place to judge other people.
Bravo, though, on the good start. But let's evolve from there.
Do you not understand the imperfect science of family planning - especially in the absence healthcare? Or do you think poor people have no right to have sex?
evolving? good start? wow pay attention! I've said I would support child healthcare from post one.
poor people can fuck and pop out as many kids as they want. just dont ask me to pay to take care of them. sorry, I don't financial support stupidity.
well what about those of us who don't want to support the gov't's horrible foreign policy decisions? Like who they aid, fund and prop up...and all these wars that turn out disasterous and were unnecessary to begin with? Or the extremely bloated and wasteful defense budget?
Why should we have to pay for that?
Don't expect me to pay for your cowardice of bombing brown folks in 3rd world countries because you're afraid they might come get you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Right, I get that. But now we need to move on to caring about people over the age of 18.
the line has to be drawn somewhere. if not, then you will flood the system will people abusing it just because they can and as a result, quality of care will drop. do you care about the actual quality of care don't you?
He supports healthcare for children UNDER a certain age. (I guess teens don't need healthcare. Or maybe they should be "determined.")
socialism doesn't work pal. o and if you haven't noticed, america is not a socialist country. I suggest you go find one, they are out there.