A large majority of the work simply involves learning by rote. You simply read and memorize other people's words and ideas. It takes hard work, and the ability to apply yourself, but as for intelligence? There are many greatly influential people in the world of ideas throughout history who received no formal education. In fact most of the worlds famous writers and artists were self educated.
Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...
I can't believe some people are even arguing about EV's education. That's just ridiculous. George W. Bush has a Yale degree, I guess he's a lot smarter and has a more credible opinion than everyone.
out of the three shows i went to in '03, when ed seemed to be complaining the most, there was only one show (atlanta) that i was a little dissapointed about his ranting. but then they played crown of thorns (chloe dancer).
you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy
Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...
Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...
The minute somone tries to share information with you, you just cry about it, so why bother?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...
the only thing formal education teaches is subordination and indoctrination. If I were educated I'd be a damn fool.
...building church and university...
...decieving the people continually.
that's priceless. i love the rationalizations people offer for their mediocrity and inability to succeed in school.
I kind of sort of agree with Commy. Formal education does offer vast knowledge. However, that can be obtained without the establishment.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
that's priceless. i love the rationalizations people offer for their mediocrity and inability to succeed in school.
I agree with Commy, as well. People can also choose not to get a formal education. Not having one does not equal not being able to get one or an inability to suceed at one. That's a leap in judgement. It can be the case but it doesn't have to be. A lot of people think it's waste of their time.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree with Commy, as well. People can also choose not to get a formal education. Not having one does not equal not being able to get one or an inability to suceed at one. That's a leap in judgement. It can be the case but it doesn't have to be. A lot of people think it's waste of their time.
first of all, you cannot choose not to get a formal education. there are mandatory attendance laws.
yeah, cos everyone loves those egomaniacs who are "too cool for school." they're like the indie snobs who figure if their favorite band sells fewer albums than you, they're clearly a superior human being cos they dont let the man tell them what to do.
first of all, you cannot choose not to get a formal education. there are mandatory attendance laws.
yeah, cos everyone loves those egomaniacs who are "too cool for school." they're like the indie snobs who figure if their favorite band sells fewer albums than you, they're clearly a superior human being cos they dont let the man tell them what to do.
you learn a lot more in school than the 3 r's.
I was refering to higher ed.
I've been trying much harder lately to refrain from relying on cliches and generalizations to shape my perspective. I'm trying to see poeple as individuals not groups who fit into these neat little boxes. Some people, I'm sure, may have huge egos or be snobbish but that wasn't my point. Everyone has different reasons and circumstances that play into their decisions.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've been trying much harder lately to refrain from relying on cliches and generalizations to shape my perspective. I'm trying to see poeple as individuals not groups who fit into these neat little boxes. Some people, I'm sure, may have huge egos or be snobbish but that wasn't my point. Everyone has different reasons and circumstances that play into their decisions.
higher ed is a different story. i thought we were referring to secondary ed.
first of all, you cannot choose not to get a formal education. there are mandatory attendance laws.
yeah, cos everyone loves those egomaniacs who are "too cool for school." they're like the indie snobs who figure if their favorite band sells fewer albums than you, they're clearly a superior human being cos they dont let the man tell them what to do.
you learn a lot more in school than the 3 r's.
really? so no one drops out of school? we have a 100% graduation rate? you can certainly choose not to get a formal education!
the us educational system is a conformity factory designed to mold an obedient worker. it is a waste of time. "the only ture knowledge is self knowledge" i agree w/ commy, too...
maybe we're all thinking different things of what formal, secondary, higher...education is...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
really? so no one drops out of school? we have a 100% graduation rate? you can certainly choose not to get a formal education!
the us educational system is a conformity factory designed to mold an obedient worker. it is a waste of time. "the only ture knowledge is self knowledge" i agree w/ commy, too...
maybe we're all thinking different things of what formal, secondary, higher...education is...
yeah, and drop outs tend to succeed so admirably in life. you can't do a damn thing in this country without a high school diploma.
self knowledge eh? try that in a job interview... "no sir, i cannot read. nope, can't write either. math? well, i decided that wasn't important sir. i do know myself though... i spent a lot of time reading books about fighting the man and im working on building a revolution. me and 2 of my internet buddies are gonna set it off!"
that'll work real well.
of course, if you want to move to montana and start a commune, yeah, maybe you don't need any education.
really? so no one drops out of school? we have a 100% graduation rate? you can certainly choose not to get a formal education!
the us educational system is a conformity factory designed to mold an obedient worker.
nobody is stopping you from forming your own utopian villiage....nobody is stopping you from achieving ANYTHING.
that is the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals view human beings and downtroden people who cannot control their own greatness...they are dependent upon society at large. Under conservastism, every individual is a unique, remarkable soul, and has the ability to exceed beyond their imagination.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
yeah, and drop outs tend to succeed so admirably in life. you can't do a damn thing in this country without a high school diploma.
self knowledge eh? try that in a job interview... "no sir, i cannot read. nope, can't write either. math? well, i decided that wasn't important sir. i do know myself though... i spent a lot of time reading books about fighting the man and im working on building a revolution. me and 2 of my internet buddies are gonna set it off!"
that'll work real well.
of course, if you want to move to montana and start a commune, yeah, maybe you don't need any education.
you can learn all these things w/o the educational system. success does not mean the same thing to everybody, other than living a life you are happy w/, i guess...but not everyone equates happiness or sucess w/ money.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
nobody is stopping you from forming your own utopian villiage....nobody is stopping you from achieving ANYTHING.
that is the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals view human beings and downtroden people who cannot control their own greatness...they are dependent upon society at large. Under conservastism, every individual is a unique, remarkable soul, and has the ability to exceed beyond their imagination.
where did i say ppl were stopping my from anything? the difference between liberals and conservatives...you sure do like putting ppl in one of 2 boxes, eh?
the us educational system does not function to promote education. dependent on society at large?? you are the one arguing for this mandatory educational system! isn't the definition of conservatisim in conflict w/ that of unique?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you can learn all these things w/o the educational system. success does not mean the same thing to everybody, other than living a life you are happy w/, i guess...but not everyone equates happiness or sucess w/ money.
i dont either. but i do equate happiness with being able to have a roof over my head and enough food to avoid starvation. those require some form of income, which for 95% of the country, means a high school education. not many employers are going to tell you "oh, you dropped out but you read the books on your own? well shit then, you're hired!"
i dont either. but i do equate happiness with being able to have a roof over my head and enough food to avoid starvation. those require some form of income, which for 95% of the country, means a high school education. not many employers are going to tell you "oh, you dropped out but you read the books on your own? well shit then, you're hired!"
Well, that is true. Thank god for GEDs which by law can't be discriminated against a hs diploma and takes all of 3 hours to complete. But the main point is that this education doesn't make one smarter or more competent but it can help you to get by in a society that forces it to be necessary when it really isn't.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, that is true. Thank god for GEDs which by law can't be discriminated against a hs diploma and takes all of 3 hours to complete. But the main point is that this education doesn't make one smarter or more competent but it can help you to get by in a society that forces it to be necessary when it really isn't.
basic social functioning is one of the more important lessons learned in school i believe. more important than the book smarts and grades.
I think a better word for your point is "herding".
This made me laugh. And yet it's true. We're socialized and taught social convention for many reasons. Many practical and valid reasons. And then a huge percentage of people then become imprisioned by said social convention.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
This made me laugh. And yet it's true. We're socialized and taught social convention for many reasons. Many practical and valid reasons. And then a huge percentage of people then become imprisioned by said social convention.
humans are social animals. we cannot survive alone. isolated people suffer from all kinds of mental disorders and every advancement we've ever made has been the result of our cooperation and working together in a social manner. social convention is not some sort of prison or disorder. it is innate to humans.
basic social functioning is one of the more important lessons learned in school i believe. more important than the book smarts and grades.
Maybe. But you can easily get that by simply being around people of any age or culture. School kinda limits that, imo. I think life experiences could be much broader and enhancing. There's so much we don't ever get to know about people unitl we get out and actually spend time with them. Mostly all we know until then are preconceived notions. And spending time getting to know your community does a lot to build relationships, friendships, and caring instead of isolation, competition and self serving attitudes.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
This made me laugh. And yet it's true. We're socialized and taught social convention for many reasons. Many practical and valid reasons. And then a huge percentage of people then become imprisioned by said social convention.
no, it's not the truth. we both know that being socialized to be dependent iis a bleak path. capitalism permits us to choose our own path. it's the only sytem ever devised by man that allows the pursuit of one's will.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
humans are social animals. we cannot survive alone. isolated people suffer from all kinds of mental disorders and every advancement we've ever made has been the result of our cooperation and working together in a social manner. social convention is not some sort of prison or disorder. it is innate to humans.
I don't dispute that--my emphasis is on that the majority of people then settle in and allow this social convention to imprison and stunt them. They use it to imprison and stunt each other. It's very insidious in my mind. Like anything, what has a general purpose also has a dark side.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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you can do one of 2 things.
stop listening to them
deal with the fact that people have different views
~Ron Burgundy
Fair point.
The minute somone tries to share information with you, you just cry about it, so why bother?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
...building church and university...
...decieving the people continually.
that's priceless. i love the rationalizations people offer for their mediocrity and inability to succeed in school.
I kind of sort of agree with Commy. Formal education does offer vast knowledge. However, that can be obtained without the establishment.
then pray tell, what does "if i were educated" mean if not "i am not educated?"
I agree with Commy, as well. People can also choose not to get a formal education. Not having one does not equal not being able to get one or an inability to suceed at one. That's a leap in judgement. It can be the case but it doesn't have to be. A lot of people think it's waste of their time.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
first of all, you cannot choose not to get a formal education. there are mandatory attendance laws.
yeah, cos everyone loves those egomaniacs who are "too cool for school." they're like the indie snobs who figure if their favorite band sells fewer albums than you, they're clearly a superior human being cos they dont let the man tell them what to do.
you learn a lot more in school than the 3 r's.
I was refering to higher ed.
I've been trying much harder lately to refrain from relying on cliches and generalizations to shape my perspective. I'm trying to see poeple as individuals not groups who fit into these neat little boxes. Some people, I'm sure, may have huge egos or be snobbish but that wasn't my point. Everyone has different reasons and circumstances that play into their decisions.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
higher ed is a different story. i thought we were referring to secondary ed.
really? so no one drops out of school? we have a 100% graduation rate? you can certainly choose not to get a formal education!
the us educational system is a conformity factory designed to mold an obedient worker. it is a waste of time. "the only ture knowledge is self knowledge" i agree w/ commy, too...
maybe we're all thinking different things of what formal, secondary, higher...education is...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yeah, and drop outs tend to succeed so admirably in life. you can't do a damn thing in this country without a high school diploma.
self knowledge eh? try that in a job interview... "no sir, i cannot read. nope, can't write either. math? well, i decided that wasn't important sir. i do know myself though... i spent a lot of time reading books about fighting the man and im working on building a revolution. me and 2 of my internet buddies are gonna set it off!"
that'll work real well.
of course, if you want to move to montana and start a commune, yeah, maybe you don't need any education.
nobody is stopping you from forming your own utopian villiage....nobody is stopping you from achieving ANYTHING.
that is the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals view human beings and downtroden people who cannot control their own greatness...they are dependent upon society at large. Under conservastism, every individual is a unique, remarkable soul, and has the ability to exceed beyond their imagination.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
you can learn all these things w/o the educational system. success does not mean the same thing to everybody, other than living a life you are happy w/, i guess...but not everyone equates happiness or sucess w/ money.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
where did i say ppl were stopping my from anything? the difference between liberals and conservatives...you sure do like putting ppl in one of 2 boxes, eh?
the us educational system does not function to promote education. dependent on society at large?? you are the one arguing for this mandatory educational system! isn't the definition of conservatisim in conflict w/ that of unique?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i dont either. but i do equate happiness with being able to have a roof over my head and enough food to avoid starvation. those require some form of income, which for 95% of the country, means a high school education. not many employers are going to tell you "oh, you dropped out but you read the books on your own? well shit then, you're hired!"
Well, that is true. Thank god for GEDs which by law can't be discriminated against a hs diploma and takes all of 3 hours to complete. But the main point is that this education doesn't make one smarter or more competent but it can help you to get by in a society that forces it to be necessary when it really isn't.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
basic social functioning is one of the more important lessons learned in school i believe. more important than the book smarts and grades.
I think a better word for your point is "herding".
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humans are social animals. we cannot survive alone. isolated people suffer from all kinds of mental disorders and every advancement we've ever made has been the result of our cooperation and working together in a social manner. social convention is not some sort of prison or disorder. it is innate to humans.
Maybe. But you can easily get that by simply being around people of any age or culture. School kinda limits that, imo. I think life experiences could be much broader and enhancing. There's so much we don't ever get to know about people unitl we get out and actually spend time with them. Mostly all we know until then are preconceived notions. And spending time getting to know your community does a lot to build relationships, friendships, and caring instead of isolation, competition and self serving attitudes.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
no, it's not the truth. we both know that being socialized to be dependent iis a bleak path. capitalism permits us to choose our own path. it's the only sytem ever devised by man that allows the pursuit of one's will.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!