Gun rampage in Nebraska shopping mall.

norm

mammasan wrote:

Well that's because LA is a fucked up place. Most Major US cities are extremely safe.

hey hey hey now......don't be casting aspersions coming from jersey...;) :eek:

mammasan

cutback wrote:

hey hey hey now......don't be casting aspersions coming from jersey...;) :eek:

Well you can't compare one city to an entire state. Plus I reside next to and work in the greatest city, NYC, so I can talk smack about LA

gue_barium

OutOfBreath wrote:

No, I suggest governance that is essentially social democratic, providing the basics for all, so that you wont have desperate people with guns shooting anyone wearing a watch to grab it. When you have a somewhat egalitarian and safe society, the amount of looters and thieves go down. There is a connection between "on your own, punk" and thieving/looting... Thieving/looting brings the need for guns for all.

Peace
Dan

That's a good and proven viewpoint.
Unfortunately, in America, the phrase "social-democratic" proves an alert to politics from both sides of the aisles, and spins itself in so many ways. Even Ron Paul is a victim of it, social-anthropologically-speaking. And it is centered on "the winning choice" rather than what is the educated choice. And, even then, considering the current administration, the "educated choice" has a sinister backspin.

JamilyMan

NoK wrote:

It wouldn't be happening so frequently if this whole ideology wasn't getting so much hype and media attention.

He basically wrote something along the lines "I have been a piece of shit all my life and now I'll be famous". Which means if the previous killers weren't made famous by the media this guy wouldn't of had reason to do what he did.

... but I wanted to comment - if it is said in this thread elsewhere, forgive me!

When a knucklehead runs out on a baseball or football field during an sporting event, the directors and producers are smart enough to not show the commotion on TV. This was done so people didn't become "famous" for their antics, and as a whole, the practice of running onto fields has virtually stopped. Rather than give them the spotlight for a few minutes, security or angry players take matters in their own hands and deal with these people in a way that would make others think twice about darting out.

Not making kids the flavor of the month for these actions would likely prevent many of these kids from taking these reprehensible actions. I would agree it's time to take the spotlight off the criminals, and put some positive stories back on the news.

PEACE!!!

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

That's a good and proven viewpoint.
Unfortunately, in America, the phrase "social-democratic" proves an alert to politics from both sides of the aisles, and spins itself in so many ways. Even Ron Paul is a victim of it, social-anthropologically-speaking. And it is centered on "the winning choice" rather than what is the educated choice. And, even then, considering the current administration, the "educated choice" has a sinister backspin.

On that same token, I don't think there is a "gun society" for any particular reason other than the fact that there is an anti-gun society.

As liberal as I am, I agree with OLS on the premise that you can't blame a pencil for spelling errors any more than you can blame a gun for killing someone.

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OutOfBreath wrote:

Heh, there could be a moral here about americans being much more prone to use guns and with deadly force. Why didnt the schmuck just drive off after threatening them if they hadnt guns?

Noone is denying that there are guns everywhere. But you americans seem to have a special relationship to them and particularly the use of them. You cant deny that either.

Peace
Dan

hell yes we have a special relationship with them!

if it wasn't for guns we would be running around in blankets, smoking dope, eating peyote....hey, wait a minute.....

cornnifer

The crazy thing about this story, to me, is that shit like this has become so common, that , with the execption of the families directly affected by this, it is already taking on a feel of yesterdays news. i heard reports last night that the mall, not Von Maur, but the rest of the mall would probably be open for business today. I havn't checked. i'm "somwhere in middle America" and i guarantee this mall will be just as busy this weekend as it was last weekend. Hell, i may something i need to pick up there. First graders where i'm teaching this morning were saying shit like "Crazy guy almost killed Santa".

gue_barium

OutOfBreath wrote:

So, americans seeing themselves as the leaders of the free world, cause them to be more violent, and with guns? Not sure I followed your argument there...

But another theory could be that the immense differences between rich and poor and the lack of significant redstribution to large portions of the populace breeds a more desperate and potentially violent environment, as many poor people have nothing, and hence nothing to lose. This is what is often seen in other countries the US dont want to be compared with. That one sit better by you?

Peace
Dan

Following the thread with your responses, you're equating guns with violence as any anti-gun liberal would do. I'm a liberal and don't follow that. It's too easy an answer.
You're politicking an inanimate object, a tool, as something that has a life as its own. That's cuckoo.

gue_barium

cornnifer wrote:

The crazy thing about this story, to me, is that shit like this has become so common, that , with the execption of the families directly affected by this, it is already taking on a feel of yesterdays news. i heard reports last night that the mall, not Von Maur, but the rest of the mall would probably be open for business today. I havn't checked. i'm "somwhere in middle America" and i guarantee this mall will be just as busy this weekend as it was last weekend. Hell, i may something i need to pick up there. First graders where i'm teaching this morning were saying shit like "Crazy guy almost killed Santa".

I offer you the lords prayer.

MakingWaves

I found this list and there wasn't as big of a discrepancy as I thought there would be at the top of the list. Just thought some would find it interesting.


http://www.allcountries.org/gun_ownership_rates.html

onelongsong

OutOfBreath wrote:

So, americans seeing themselves as the leaders of the free world, cause them to be more violent, and with guns? Not sure I followed your argument there...

But another theory could be that the immense differences between rich and poor and the lack of significant redstribution to large portions of the populace breeds a more desperate and potentially violent environment, as many poor people have nothing, and hence nothing to lose. This is what is often seen in other countries the US dont want to be compared with. That one sit better by you?

Peace
Dan

spot on again. but i was born dirt poor; and worked my way up without any government help. every step i took i was kicked back 2. but i didn't give up so i believe being poor is a choice. babies don't have to have babies. girls can keep their legs shut until they're able to care for a child. you can stand at stoplights and wash windshields. people from abe lincoln to ron reagan worked themselves out of poverty.

i don't consider myself a part of society anymore. i'm too far detached from it.

gue_barium

810wmb wrote:

hell yes we have a special relationship with them!

if it wasn't for guns we would be running around in blankets, smoking dope, eating peyote....hey, wait a minute.....

see, man. that isn't even funny.

if anything, appreciate the wilderness and the American Mind, our place in it, and our cause for all things worldy and natural.

sound hippy?

it isn't.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

spot on again. but i was born dirt poor; and worked my way up without any government help. every step i took i was kicked back 2. but i didn't give up so i believe being poor is a choice. babies don't have to have babies. girls can keep their legs shut until they're able to care for a child. you can stand at stoplights and wash windshields. people from abe lincoln to ron reagan worked themselves out of poverty.

i don't consider myself a part of society anymore. i'm too far detached from it.

In other words, OutofBreath, Americans are always in a state of living on the curb of Hollywood boulevard and the hobo camp in the brush a few blocks away fucking anything that comes their way, and hoping it doesnt' produce children, and if it does, well, i know how to raise buffalo from the best of them. Amen.

even flow?

cornnifer wrote:

The crazy thing about this story, to me, is that shit like this has become so common, that , with the execption of the families directly affected by this, it is already taking on a feel of yesterdays news. i heard reports last night that the mall, not Von Maur, but the rest of the mall would probably be open for business today. I havn't checked. i'm "somwhere in middle America" and i guarantee this mall will be just as busy this weekend as it was last weekend. Hell, i may something i need to pick up there. First graders where i'm teaching this morning were saying shit like "Crazy guy almost killed Santa".

Of course the mall will be packed. The florist will be doing a brisk bizniz as the people stop by for a little something to toss on the area where it all went down. Then continue to "shop til they drop".

onelongsong

MakingWaves wrote:

I found this list and there wasn't as big of a discrepancy as I thought there would be at the top of the list. Just thought some would find it interesting.


http://www.allcountries.org/gun_ownership_rates.html

brilliant. but if the us has gunownership close to other european countries; why all the hoopla about americans owning guns? maybe we don't have a lot of gun owners on the board so the board is biased.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

spot on again. but i was born dirt poor; and worked my way up without any government help. every step i took i was kicked back 2. but i didn't give up so i believe being poor is a choice. babies don't have to have babies. girls can keep their legs shut until they're able to care for a child. you can stand at stoplights and wash windshields. people from abe lincoln to ron reagan worked themselves out of poverty.

i don't consider myself a part of society anymore. i'm too far detached from it.

for which we are all very grateful.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

brilliant. but if the us has gunownership close to other european countries; why all the hoopla about americans owning guns? maybe we don't have a lot of gun owners on the board so the board is biased.

probably.

now can we fuck another sacred cow for awhile?
this heifer is getting dry.



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gue_barium wrote:

see, man. that isn't even funny.

if anything, appreciate the wilderness and the American Mind, our place in it, and our cause for all things worldy and natural.

sound hippy?

it isn't.

dude, it's a joke...it would be nice to jump about peyotelike!

gue_barium

810wmb wrote:

dude, it's a joke...it would be nice to jump about peyotelike!

I know it was a joke. That's why I told you it wasn't funny.

sheesh.

callen

cornnifer wrote:

The crazy thing about this story, to me, is that shit like this has become so common, that , with the execption of the families directly affected by this, it is already taking on a feel of yesterdays news. i heard reports last night that the mall, not Von Maur, but the rest of the mall would probably be open for business today. I havn't checked. i'm "somwhere in middle America" and i guarantee this mall will be just as busy this weekend as it was last weekend. Hell, i may something i need to pick up there. First graders where i'm teaching this morning were saying shit like "Crazy guy almost killed Santa".

...think that Americans are getting numb when it comes to death and violence..

We'll continue to see situations like this....it won't stop and will increase.....its too easy for an american human to get a gun and kill folks......and more guns will just breed more violence....for those that think we should all be armed.....well your not really appreciating the mental capabilities of the average human...but hey it is a form of population control and the vast majority of folks that get killed by guns..are gun owners or family members of gun owners...It's evolution baby"