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And seriously... do we want Mall Security Guards to have guns?
I bet the families of the people that died in Nebraska wish mall security had had guns. Hell I bet the people that were shot dead wished mall security had had guns and used them. I sure as hell know that if I was there and some nutcase was taking pot shots at me while I shopped that I'd want someone, ANYONE that could shoot straight and had a clear shot of the nut job to shoot him.
listen man i couldnt give a fuck for all your macho gun talk shite... what age are you? 55 or something? grow fucking up... anyway you'd be to busy trying to empty your colostomy bag and hunting your glucosamine tablets before you wheezed your way to a gun...
i'm faster with a knife. besides; if you drew back on 1 resident; a dozen residents would be emptying their mags into you.
I bet the families of the people that died in Nebraska wish mall security had had guns. Hell I bet the people that were shot dead wished mall security had had guns and used them. I sure as hell know that if I was there and some nutcase was taking pot shots at me while I shopped that I'd want someone, ANYONE that could shoot straight and had a clear shot of the nut job to shoot him.
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Go to the mall... look at the security guards and get back to me.
Mall Security Guards are more likely to shoot a 9 year old for 'stealing a lollipop from the Gummy Bears Shoppe than take out an armed gunman.
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i'm faster with a knife. besides; if you drew back on 1 resident; a dozen residents would be emptying their mags into you.
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Again with a weapon. Are you are too wussie to fight. Wht do you need a weapon?
That's the same mentality as Gang Bangers here in L.A. They are all tough guys when they have guns and out number you, 3 to 1. but, catch one alone and unarmed and they are pussies. Pussies whose hands are only used to pull a trigger or wank their needle dicks.
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Go to the mall... look at the security guards and get back to me.
Mall Security Guards are more likely to shoot a 9 year old for 'stealing a lollipop from the Gummy Bears Shoppe than take out an armed gunman.
Yeah, if I was shopping at the mall and a gunman opened fire that's what I'd be worrying about. :rolleyes:
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And yet.. you do NOTHING about it.
I mean, you see yourself as a sharp shooting hero of the mall that could have killed that kid on the 3rd level balcony, even if that kid was the size of a match stick... yet, you personally know of child slavery and what do you do?
NOTHING.
Some Hero.
i photograph every instance of abuse and i report them to the state. at least once a month. the state replies that they cannot get enough families willing to take special needs kids so the state does nothing. i do all i can including buying those kids decent presents.
Yeah, if I was shopping at the mall and a gunman opened fire that's what I'd be worrying about. :rolleyes:
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Boy... you just don't get it, do you?
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Here... let me spell it out.
Job requirement for Mall security Guard... the ability to fill out a job application... or access to someone who can fill out a job application for you.
High School graduate? Nope. Not required.
Minimum I.Q? Anything over 0 will do.
Previous Experience? Does hanging out at the mall all day count?
Picked on as a kid? On a daily basis.
Salary requirement? As little as you want.
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You're hired. Now... go out there for minimum wage and beat the shit out of those pre-teens stealing candy.
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You may want a minimum wage, uneducated, inexperienced person walking around YOUR malls with a loaded gun... we don't.
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Boy... you just don't get it, do you?
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Here... let me spell it out.
Job requirement for Mall security Guard... the ability to fill out a job application... or access to someone who can fill out a job application for you.
High School graduate? Nope. Not required.
Minimum I.Q? Anything over 0 will do.
Previous Experience? Does hanging out at the mall all day count?
Picked on as a kid? On a daily basis.
Salary requirement? As little as you want.
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You're hired. Now... go out there for minimum wage and beat the shit out of those pre-teens stealing candy.
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You may want a minimum wage, uneducated, inexperienced person walking around YOUR malls with a loaded gun... we don't.
Yeah, I get the generalizations you're making about all mall security. I wanna know how come you think you'd be ok with going to the mall and getting shot by a nutjob but you'd be selective about who would save you? Coz that's what you're saying.
I get it. Cosmo: "It's a great day to die today. I'm not afraid to die because I'd PREFER to die than be saved by someone with an IQ lower than me"
i photograph every instance of abuse and i report them to the state. at least once a month. the state replies that they cannot get enough families willing to take special needs kids so the state does nothing. i do all i can including buying those kids decent presents.
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Yeah... yeah... yeah. I help... me charity... me good... i report... state does nothing... bull... blah.... blah.
And... That's only one of the MANY cases you see (personally know about).
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I live in a big... no, huge fucking city... I know most of my neighbors and hundreds of others and personally know of ZERO cases of welfare abuse. And if a case is reported to the local and state childhood and/or welfare services... those cases are investigated and those kids are removed for their own safety. What third world, low rent state comes up with that low rent excuse? "We can't find families willing to take special needs kids... so we hand them over to abusive people ands pay them $2,400.00 a month... to boot." What fucking asshole said that... and if they did.. you accepted it???
What kind of fucked up place do you live in?
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Yeah... yeah... yeah. I help... me charity... me good... i report... state does nothing... bull... blah.... blah.
And... That's only one of the MANY cases you see (personally know about).
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I live in a big... no, huge fucking city... I know most of my neighbors and hundreds of others and personally know of ZERO cases of welfare abuse. And if a case is reported to the local and state childhood and/or welfare services... those cases are investigated and those kids are removed for their own safety. What third world, low rent state comes up with that low rent excuse? "We can't find families willing to take special needs kids... so we hand them over to abusive people ands pay them $2,400.00 a month... to boot." What fucking asshole said that... and if they did.. you accepted it???
What kind of fucked up place do you live in?
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Yeah, I get the generalizations you're making about all mall security. I wanna know how come you think you'd be ok with going to the mall and getting shot by a nutjob but you'd be selective about who would save you? Coz that's what you're saying.
I get it. Cosmo: "It's a great day to die today. I'm not afraid to die because I'd PREFER to die than be saved by someone with an IQ lower than me"
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You just like to argue, don't you?
Now, let's see... how many days went by in that mall where a gunman didn't open fire on holiday shoppers... let's see... 1 plus 22... carry the 9... oh, yeah... NONE OF THEM.
So, you think it is good to have an inexperienced, uneducated person getting minimum wage to carry a gun for how many days... let's see... what was that number again? Oh, yeah... ALL OF THEM MINUS ONE days. Great. More guns... and in the hands of people who really shouldn't be handling them... great.
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Yeah, I get the generalizations you're making about all mall security. I wanna know how come you think you'd be ok with going to the mall and getting shot by a nutjob but you'd be selective about who would save you? Coz that's what you're saying.
I get it. Cosmo: "It's a great day to die today. I'm not afraid to die because I'd PREFER to die than be saved by someone with an IQ lower than me"
i think his point is that mall security guy wouldn't be saving him. the mall security would be ducking behind the nearest barrier pissing himself if someone opened fire. he's not qualified or trained to deal with a situation like that and is more likely to kill another mall shopper than the gunman. hell i had friends in HIGH SCHOOL working mall security. they're not even deemed old enough to smoke or drink, but they're old enough to carry a loaded gun with no training and to use it?
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Note to self: Austrailia... not a good place for children with special needs.. BUT, Great place to open 24/7 child labor sweat shop.
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Funny.. I always thought austrailia was a nice place with pleasant people. Learn something new every day, i suppose.
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i'm faster with a knife. besides; if you drew back on 1 resident; a dozen residents would be emptying their mags into you.
why are you constantly telling me i'm going to get killed in some squatshit town where the buffalo roam?
ok, you keep insisting i'll die via gunshot, multiple gunshots, now its stabbings...why the need to hide behind a weapon.. are you a fucking pussy who got picked on all your life... if so i'm phoning the FBI as you've just scored 93% on their "nutters likely to kill innocent scottish families on vacation" chart
no weapons, mano e mano... now thats fighting
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
why are you constantly telling me i'm going to get killed in some squatshit town where the buffalo roam?
ok, you keep insisting i'll die via gunshot, multiple gunshots, now its stabbings...why the need to hide behind a weapon.. are you a fucking pussy who got picked on all your life... if so i'm phoning the FBI as you've just scored 93% on their "nutters likely to kill innocent scottish families on vacation" chart
no weapons, mano et mano... now thats fighting
don't expect that from him. he only fight matchsticks, remember? if you've got real muscles, he prefers the duck and cover and hope his neighbors shoot you for him tactic.
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You just like to argue, don't you?
Now, let's see... how many days went by in that mall where a gunman didn't open fire on holiday shoppers... let's see... 1 plus 22... carry the 9... oh, yeah... NONE OF THEM.
So, you think it is good to have an inexperienced, uneducated person getting minimum wage to carry a gun for... let's see... what was that number again? Oh, yeah... ALL OF THEM MINUS ONE days. Great. More guns... and in the hands of people who really shouldn't be handling them... great.
I'm not the one that's been banging on for pages in this thread arguing away and completely forgetting that 9 people lost their lives going Christmas shopping. Where did I say that it's a good thing for a person inexperienced in handling guns to be racing around a shopping mall? All I said was if it was YOU that was there and you were being shot at I doubt VERY MUCH that you'd be wanting to put someone through rigorous IQ testing before you'd allow them to save you. If someone was shooting at me to kill me all I'd want to do is LIVE and I couldn't give a rats arse if it was a security guard on minimum wage with a low IQ that saved me or a bloody rocket scientist. I'd just want to live. I'd bet any money that the people that died in Nebraska wish that someone, ANYONE had saved them.
i can give you a list of people working the system. i've got these neighbours that take in abused kids as foster parents. gread deed right? they use the kids as slave labour but they get $2400/month PER BLOODY CHILD. they don't work at all. recently they sent a girl back and traded her for 2 brothers. the brothers can stay in the same room and they needed to increase their income. these children get nothing from them. 1 new outfit for school. last year i spent more for the gifts i gave those children than they did. i later found out that after the neighbourhood christmas; they returned the kids presents. except the ones for their own daughter. she got a phone and a laptop. and 2 months ago their daughter got a brand new pick up truck for her 15th birthday. there's no law here so people don't worry about drivers licenses or things like that.
these are the kinds of things i see.
slave labour? weren't you just bragging about sweeping floors for pennies as a child?
do you know anything about raising a kid with special needs? i worked in the system, it's not easy. those kids need serious structure as they come from broken homes. if they can even get them to work, that's a small victory right there. and as for "Trading in", sometimes those placements don't work out and things have to change. unless they told you why, you're assuming exactly what you want to believe here.
I'm not the one that's been banging on for pages in this thread arguing away and completely forgetting that 9 people lost their lives going Christmas shopping. Where did I say that it's a good thing for a person inexperienced in handling guns to be racing around a shopping mall? All I said was if it was YOU that was there and you were being shot at I doubt VERY MUCH that you'd be wanting to put someone through rigorous IQ testing before you'd allow them to save you. If someone was shooting at me to kill me all I'd want to do is LIVE and I couldn't give a rats arse if it was a security guard on minimum wage with a low IQ that saved me or a bloody rocket scientist. I'd just want to live. I'd bet any money that the people that died in Nebraska wish that someone, ANYONE had saved them.
undoubtedly. but his point is, arming mall security is not the way to have saved these people. mall security is a shit paying job and the people doing it are not particularly qualified or trained. instead of one psycho once every 10 years pulling a stunt like this, you'd have dozens of shootings in malls all over the country becos mall security carrying guns fucked up and thought the guy pulling out his wallet was trying to rob the jewelry store.
i think his point is that mall security guy wouldn't be saving him. the mall security would be ducking behind the nearest barrier pissing himself if someone opened fire. he's not qualified or trained to deal with a situation like that and is more likely to kill another mall shopper than the gunman. hell i had friends in HIGH SCHOOL working mall security. they're not even deemed old enough to smoke or drink, but they're old enough to carry a loaded gun with no training and to use it?
But how do we know that? How do we know that mall security would be ducking behind a barrier and pissing himself? We don't. But I reckon you've got a better chance of survival in that kind of situation if someone besides the nutjob has a gun. Seems the nutjob isn't exactly brimming with rational thought or trained and qualified to be handling a gun but they are aren't they?
Last person I know of that tried to stop a gunman with his bare hands is dead now and what he did was amazing and selfless and incredibly heroic. Saved several people's lives. Including that of the gunman. But not his own. If he'd had a gun, EVEN if he didn't know how to use it I reckon he'd probably be better off than he is now.
And as far as I can see, if you're gonna continue having the right to bear arms there AND the nutjobs are gonna keep shooting people on random rampages then surely the thing to do IS to train your security guards to do their job properly. Or are we saying that we'll just let the nuts and the criminals have the guns, and everyone else should be defenseless sitting ducks that can die knowing that we had the most altruistic of motives in not protecting them?
I'm not the one that's been banging on for pages in this thread arguing away and completely forgetting that 9 people lost their lives going Christmas shopping. Where did I say that it's a good thing for a person inexperienced in handling guns to be racing around a shopping mall? All I said was if it was YOU that was there and you were being shot at I doubt VERY MUCH that you'd be wanting to put someone through rigorous IQ testing before you'd allow them to save you. If someone was shooting at me to kill me all I'd want to do is LIVE and I couldn't give a rats arse if it was a security guard on minimum wage with a low IQ that saved me or a bloody rocket scientist. I'd just want to live. I'd bet any money that the people that died in Nebraska wish that someone, ANYONE had saved them.
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Do you know how silly you sound? And I love all this... "If you were shot this... and if you were shot that..." bullshit. Like ANYONE could have prevented that nut from firing on those people. The only way to prevent it... make the mall as difficult to get into as the Green Zone in Baghdad.
so, guess what? We don't have armed guards at our Malls. It would be ridiculous to have armed guards at our malls. we have had shootings at our schools... we should have armed guards at our schools.. we have had shootings at McDonalds... we should have armed guards at our McDonalds.
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What YOU don't get... more guns in the hands of inexperienced people is MORE DANGEROUS.
What America need to do is accept guns in the hands of nuts are out there. We don't want to do anything about the guns... we don't want to do anything about the nuts.
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Note to self: Austrailia... not a good place for children with special needs.. BUT, Great place to open 24/7 child labor sweat shop.
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Funny.. I always thought austrailia was a nice place with pleasant people. Learn something new every day, i suppose.
DOCS our Department of Child services has had a spate of incidents recently involving the deaths of children in their care or children that have died as a result of their lack of intervention.
Currently there are calls for a Royal Commission into the Department and I suspect we'll be having it shortly.
As to 24/7 child labor sweat shops, I doubt with the new Labor government's pledge to reverse the Industrial Relations laws of the outgoing Liberal government, that Australia would be a good place to open a sweat shop at this time. There will be far too much scrutiny going on.
undoubtedly. but his point is, arming mall security is not the way to have saved these people. mall security is a shit paying job and the people doing it are not particularly qualified or trained. instead of one psycho once every 10 years pulling a stunt like this, you'd have dozens of shootings in malls all over the country becos mall security carrying guns fucked up and thought the guy pulling out his wallet was trying to rob the jewelry store.
So we'll sacrifice the 9 every ten years??? Is that what you're saying??
Instead of training mall security and setting benchmarks for performance. It's only 9 every 10 years so best we just leave it as it is now?
Coz the only other likely scenario I can see to stop it happening, if you're not going to train mall security guards, is to completely disarm the whole country, get everyone that needs psychiatric help the treatment they need. Destroy every gun ever made or exported into your country. Shut down the NRA, all the gun manufacturers, and complete re educate your population.
Hmmm....which one of those options sounds more feasible?
i can give you a list of people working the system. i've got these neighbours that take in abused kids as foster parents. gread deed right? they use the kids as slave labour but they get $2400/month PER BLOODY CHILD. they don't work at all. recently they sent a girl back and traded her for 2 brothers. the brothers can stay in the same room and they needed to increase their income. these children get nothing from them. 1 new outfit for school. last year i spent more for the gifts i gave those children than they did. i later found out that after the neighbourhood christmas; they returned the kids presents. except the ones for their own daughter. she got a phone and a laptop. and 2 months ago their daughter got a brand new pick up truck for her 15th birthday. there's no law here so people don't worry about drivers licenses or things like that.
these are the kinds of things i see.
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Add: didn't you say you practiced Family Law?
Isn't there something you can do other than sending in photographs and stories to Child Protective Services and accepting "We can't find many families willing to accept children with special needs... so, we farm them out to abusive adults who trade them in as their work loade requires." as a response... and responding, "Okay.. that's good enough for me."?
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Tell you what.. send me all of that evidence... the photographs and documentations... the names of the kids and their abusers and I'll fucking do something about it.
There may not be good families in your state, but over here... we have thousands of families wiling to provide for these kids. If we can get kids out of abusive situations in other countries... i'm sure we can get those kids out of your do-nothing state.
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P.S. Get the name of that son of a bitch at your State Services and I'll see that he gets the recognition he deserves.
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Add: didn't you say you practiced Family Law?
Isn't there something you can do other than sending in photographs and stories to Child Protective Services and accepting "We can't find many families willing to accept children with special needs... so, we farm them out to abusive adults who trade them in as their work loade requires." as a response... and responding, "Okay.. that's good enough for me."?
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Tell you what.. send me all of that evidence... the photographs and documentations... the names of the kids and their abusers and I'll fucking do something about it.
There may not be good families in your state, but over here... we have thousands of families wiling to provide for these kids. If we can get kids out of abusive situations in other countries... i'm sure we can get those kids out of your do-nothing state.
Weird, isn't it? They'd kill for their neighbours, no questions asked...
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Do you know how silly you sound? And I love all this... "If you were shot this... and if you were shot that..." bullshit. Like ANYONE could have prevented that nut from firing on those people. The only way to prevent it... make the mall as difficult to get into as the Green Zone in Baghdad.
so, guess what? We don't have armed guards at our Malls. It would be ridiculous to have armed guards at our malls. we have had shootings at our schools... we should have armed guards at our schools.. we have had shootings at McDonalds... we should have armed guards at our McDonalds.
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What YOU don't get... more guns in the hands of inexperienced people is MORE DANGEROUS.
What America need to do is accept guns in the hands of nuts are out there. We don't want to do anything about the guns... we don't want to do anything about the nuts.
Huh??? I sound silly? haha! Yeah, coz you're making perfect sense. :rolleyes:
You seem to think that banning and ignoring is the answer. Fact is you do have guns. SHITLOADS of them. And you do have NUTJOBS. SHITLOADS of them too. I can't see you removing ALL the guns anytime soon and I can't see you being able to track the mental health status of every one of your population in order to prevent this kind of thing happening. So even supposing you started attempting to do that now, I reckon it'll keep you busy for 100s of years. In the meantime, your nuts and criminals are gonna keep shooting people. Innocent people, dead. So while it's admirable and wonderfully considerate of you to want to stop having guns in your country, it's not going to solve the problem in the short term OR save quite a few people that probably wish they were still alive. SO wouldn't it make more sense to be prepared????? I mean it's not like you don't have experience with this kind of shit. It's happening with alarming regularity lately. So yeah, train your bloody staff to use guns. Train them to take out a threat. Train them to respond to psycho nut jobs and criminals in an efficient and effective manner. Wake up and smell reality.
So we'll sacrifice the 9 every ten years??? Is that what you're saying??
Instead of training mall security and setting benchmarks for performance. It's only 9 every 10 years so best we just leave it as it is now?
Coz the only other likely scenario I can see to stop it happening, if you're not going to train mall security guards, is to completely disarm the whole country, get everyone that needs psychiatric help the treatment they need. Destroy every gun ever made or exported into your country. Shut down the NRA, all the gun manufacturers, and complete re educate your population.
Hmmm....which one of those options sounds more feasible?
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Definatly not your option.
Do you know how many mall there are in the United States? Hell, I can't count the number of malls within a 15 mile radius of my house, let alone the entire nation.
Your option is worst at best. We do not have enough police officers... we do not have enough National Guardsmen to do what they're supposed to do... yet, an army of well paid, trainned mall security Guards is an option?
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Sorry, Thanx for playing. Please, guess again.
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Huh??? I sound silly? haha! Yeah, coz you're making perfect sense. :rolleyes:
You seem to think that banning and ignoring is the answer. Fact is you do have guns. SHITLOADS of them. And you do have NUTJOBS. SHITLOADS of them too. I can't see you removing ALL the guns anytime soon and I can't see you being able to track the mental health status of every one of your population in order to prevent this kind of thing happening. So even supposing you started attempting to do that now, I reckon it'll keep you busy for 100s of years. In the meantime, your nuts and criminals are gonna keep shooting people. Innocent people, dead. So while it's admirable and wonderfully considerate of you to want to stop having guns in your country, it's not going to solve the problem in the short term OR save quite a few people that probably wish they were still alive. SO wouldn't it make more sense to be prepared????? I mean it's not like you don't have experience with this kind of shit. It's happening with alarming regularity lately. So yeah, train your bloody staff to use guns. Train them to take out a threat. Train them to respond to psycho nut jobs and criminals in an efficient and effective manner. Wake up and smell reality.
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Someone's off their meds, huh.
Tell you what... maybe we should give everyone a gun that walks into a Mall... that way... in case a nutjob sneaks in... they can all protect themselves.
**Note** In case you are off your meds and cannot tell the difference... the above statement was made in jest... and not to be taken as a serious arguing point.
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Train our security guards... in which mall? All of them? And how much training does it require? and are these minimum wage employees willing to put their lives on the line for strangers?
Not gonna happen. Americans need to simply accept the fact that at these thing wil occur as long as we have this love fests with guns.
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Yeah, I don't think mall security would change a lot. Malls are huge, I mean these people want to kill as many people as possible and then die. Mall security, no matter how trained they are (even if they can shoot a book of matches from two hundred feet away), won't solve anything.
And even if security is close by, once someone starts shooting there is panic, do you really want yet another person shooting around?
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Definatly not your option.
Do you know how many mall there are in the United States? Hell, I can't count the number of malls within a 15 mile radius of my house, let alone the entire nation.
Your option is worst at best. We do not have enough police officers... we do not have enough National Guardsmen to do what they're supposed to do... yet, an army of well paid, trainned mall security Guards is an option?
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Sorry, Thanx for playing. Please, guess again.
Yeah, tell that to the people that died.
But let's keep sacrificing them because they're a statistical anomaly until we work out a real solution.
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I bet the families of the people that died in Nebraska wish mall security had had guns. Hell I bet the people that were shot dead wished mall security had had guns and used them. I sure as hell know that if I was there and some nutcase was taking pot shots at me while I shopped that I'd want someone, ANYONE that could shoot straight and had a clear shot of the nut job to shoot him.
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i'm faster with a knife. besides; if you drew back on 1 resident; a dozen residents would be emptying their mags into you.
Go to the mall... look at the security guards and get back to me.
Mall Security Guards are more likely to shoot a 9 year old for 'stealing a lollipop from the Gummy Bears Shoppe than take out an armed gunman.
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Again with a weapon. Are you are too wussie to fight. Wht do you need a weapon?
That's the same mentality as Gang Bangers here in L.A. They are all tough guys when they have guns and out number you, 3 to 1. but, catch one alone and unarmed and they are pussies. Pussies whose hands are only used to pull a trigger or wank their needle dicks.
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Yeah, if I was shopping at the mall and a gunman opened fire that's what I'd be worrying about. :rolleyes:
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i photograph every instance of abuse and i report them to the state. at least once a month. the state replies that they cannot get enough families willing to take special needs kids so the state does nothing. i do all i can including buying those kids decent presents.
Dunk.
I know you'll be very happy together.
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Boy... you just don't get it, do you?
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Here... let me spell it out.
Job requirement for Mall security Guard... the ability to fill out a job application... or access to someone who can fill out a job application for you.
High School graduate? Nope. Not required.
Minimum I.Q? Anything over 0 will do.
Previous Experience? Does hanging out at the mall all day count?
Picked on as a kid? On a daily basis.
Salary requirement? As little as you want.
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You're hired. Now... go out there for minimum wage and beat the shit out of those pre-teens stealing candy.
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You may want a minimum wage, uneducated, inexperienced person walking around YOUR malls with a loaded gun... we don't.
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Yeah, I get the generalizations you're making about all mall security. I wanna know how come you think you'd be ok with going to the mall and getting shot by a nutjob but you'd be selective about who would save you? Coz that's what you're saying.
I get it. Cosmo: "It's a great day to die today. I'm not afraid to die because I'd PREFER to die than be saved by someone with an IQ lower than me"
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Yeah... yeah... yeah. I help... me charity... me good... i report... state does nothing... bull... blah.... blah.
And... That's only one of the MANY cases you see (personally know about).
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I live in a big... no, huge fucking city... I know most of my neighbors and hundreds of others and personally know of ZERO cases of welfare abuse. And if a case is reported to the local and state childhood and/or welfare services... those cases are investigated and those kids are removed for their own safety. What third world, low rent state comes up with that low rent excuse? "We can't find families willing to take special needs kids... so we hand them over to abusive people ands pay them $2,400.00 a month... to boot." What fucking asshole said that... and if they did.. you accepted it???
What kind of fucked up place do you live in?
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You just like to argue, don't you?
Now, let's see... how many days went by in that mall where a gunman didn't open fire on holiday shoppers... let's see... 1 plus 22... carry the 9... oh, yeah... NONE OF THEM.
So, you think it is good to have an inexperienced, uneducated person getting minimum wage to carry a gun for how many days... let's see... what was that number again? Oh, yeah... ALL OF THEM MINUS ONE days. Great. More guns... and in the hands of people who really shouldn't be handling them... great.
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i think his point is that mall security guy wouldn't be saving him. the mall security would be ducking behind the nearest barrier pissing himself if someone opened fire. he's not qualified or trained to deal with a situation like that and is more likely to kill another mall shopper than the gunman. hell i had friends in HIGH SCHOOL working mall security. they're not even deemed old enough to smoke or drink, but they're old enough to carry a loaded gun with no training and to use it?
Note to self: Austrailia... not a good place for children with special needs.. BUT, Great place to open 24/7 child labor sweat shop.
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Funny.. I always thought austrailia was a nice place with pleasant people. Learn something new every day, i suppose.
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why are you constantly telling me i'm going to get killed in some squatshit town where the buffalo roam?
ok, you keep insisting i'll die via gunshot, multiple gunshots, now its stabbings...why the need to hide behind a weapon.. are you a fucking pussy who got picked on all your life... if so i'm phoning the FBI as you've just scored 93% on their "nutters likely to kill innocent scottish families on vacation" chart
no weapons, mano e mano... now thats fighting
don't expect that from him. he only fight matchsticks, remember? if you've got real muscles, he prefers the duck and cover and hope his neighbors shoot you for him tactic.
I'm not the one that's been banging on for pages in this thread arguing away and completely forgetting that 9 people lost their lives going Christmas shopping. Where did I say that it's a good thing for a person inexperienced in handling guns to be racing around a shopping mall? All I said was if it was YOU that was there and you were being shot at I doubt VERY MUCH that you'd be wanting to put someone through rigorous IQ testing before you'd allow them to save you. If someone was shooting at me to kill me all I'd want to do is LIVE and I couldn't give a rats arse if it was a security guard on minimum wage with a low IQ that saved me or a bloody rocket scientist. I'd just want to live. I'd bet any money that the people that died in Nebraska wish that someone, ANYONE had saved them.
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slave labour? weren't you just bragging about sweeping floors for pennies as a child?
do you know anything about raising a kid with special needs? i worked in the system, it's not easy. those kids need serious structure as they come from broken homes. if they can even get them to work, that's a small victory right there. and as for "Trading in", sometimes those placements don't work out and things have to change. unless they told you why, you're assuming exactly what you want to believe here.
undoubtedly. but his point is, arming mall security is not the way to have saved these people. mall security is a shit paying job and the people doing it are not particularly qualified or trained. instead of one psycho once every 10 years pulling a stunt like this, you'd have dozens of shootings in malls all over the country becos mall security carrying guns fucked up and thought the guy pulling out his wallet was trying to rob the jewelry store.
But how do we know that? How do we know that mall security would be ducking behind a barrier and pissing himself? We don't. But I reckon you've got a better chance of survival in that kind of situation if someone besides the nutjob has a gun. Seems the nutjob isn't exactly brimming with rational thought or trained and qualified to be handling a gun but they are aren't they?
Last person I know of that tried to stop a gunman with his bare hands is dead now and what he did was amazing and selfless and incredibly heroic. Saved several people's lives. Including that of the gunman. But not his own. If he'd had a gun, EVEN if he didn't know how to use it I reckon he'd probably be better off than he is now.
And as far as I can see, if you're gonna continue having the right to bear arms there AND the nutjobs are gonna keep shooting people on random rampages then surely the thing to do IS to train your security guards to do their job properly. Or are we saying that we'll just let the nuts and the criminals have the guns, and everyone else should be defenseless sitting ducks that can die knowing that we had the most altruistic of motives in not protecting them?
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Do you know how silly you sound? And I love all this... "If you were shot this... and if you were shot that..." bullshit. Like ANYONE could have prevented that nut from firing on those people. The only way to prevent it... make the mall as difficult to get into as the Green Zone in Baghdad.
so, guess what? We don't have armed guards at our Malls. It would be ridiculous to have armed guards at our malls. we have had shootings at our schools... we should have armed guards at our schools.. we have had shootings at McDonalds... we should have armed guards at our McDonalds.
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What YOU don't get... more guns in the hands of inexperienced people is MORE DANGEROUS.
What America need to do is accept guns in the hands of nuts are out there. We don't want to do anything about the guns... we don't want to do anything about the nuts.
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DOCS our Department of Child services has had a spate of incidents recently involving the deaths of children in their care or children that have died as a result of their lack of intervention.
Currently there are calls for a Royal Commission into the Department and I suspect we'll be having it shortly.
As to 24/7 child labor sweat shops, I doubt with the new Labor government's pledge to reverse the Industrial Relations laws of the outgoing Liberal government, that Australia would be a good place to open a sweat shop at this time. There will be far too much scrutiny going on.
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So we'll sacrifice the 9 every ten years??? Is that what you're saying??
Instead of training mall security and setting benchmarks for performance. It's only 9 every 10 years so best we just leave it as it is now?
Coz the only other likely scenario I can see to stop it happening, if you're not going to train mall security guards, is to completely disarm the whole country, get everyone that needs psychiatric help the treatment they need. Destroy every gun ever made or exported into your country. Shut down the NRA, all the gun manufacturers, and complete re educate your population.
Hmmm....which one of those options sounds more feasible?
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Add: didn't you say you practiced Family Law?
Isn't there something you can do other than sending in photographs and stories to Child Protective Services and accepting "We can't find many families willing to accept children with special needs... so, we farm them out to abusive adults who trade them in as their work loade requires." as a response... and responding, "Okay.. that's good enough for me."?
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Tell you what.. send me all of that evidence... the photographs and documentations... the names of the kids and their abusers and I'll fucking do something about it.
There may not be good families in your state, but over here... we have thousands of families wiling to provide for these kids. If we can get kids out of abusive situations in other countries... i'm sure we can get those kids out of your do-nothing state.
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P.S. Get the name of that son of a bitch at your State Services and I'll see that he gets the recognition he deserves.
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Weird, isn't it? They'd kill for their neighbours, no questions asked...
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Huh??? I sound silly? haha!
You seem to think that banning and ignoring is the answer. Fact is you do have guns. SHITLOADS of them. And you do have NUTJOBS. SHITLOADS of them too. I can't see you removing ALL the guns anytime soon and I can't see you being able to track the mental health status of every one of your population in order to prevent this kind of thing happening. So even supposing you started attempting to do that now, I reckon it'll keep you busy for 100s of years. In the meantime, your nuts and criminals are gonna keep shooting people. Innocent people, dead. So while it's admirable and wonderfully considerate of you to want to stop having guns in your country, it's not going to solve the problem in the short term OR save quite a few people that probably wish they were still alive. SO wouldn't it make more sense to be prepared????? I mean it's not like you don't have experience with this kind of shit. It's happening with alarming regularity lately. So yeah, train your bloody staff to use guns. Train them to take out a threat. Train them to respond to psycho nut jobs and criminals in an efficient and effective manner. Wake up and smell reality.
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Definatly not your option.
Do you know how many mall there are in the United States? Hell, I can't count the number of malls within a 15 mile radius of my house, let alone the entire nation.
Your option is worst at best. We do not have enough police officers... we do not have enough National Guardsmen to do what they're supposed to do... yet, an army of well paid, trainned mall security Guards is an option?
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Sorry, Thanx for playing. Please, guess again.
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Someone's off their meds, huh.
Tell you what... maybe we should give everyone a gun that walks into a Mall... that way... in case a nutjob sneaks in... they can all protect themselves.
**Note** In case you are off your meds and cannot tell the difference... the above statement was made in jest... and not to be taken as a serious arguing point.
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Train our security guards... in which mall? All of them? And how much training does it require? and are these minimum wage employees willing to put their lives on the line for strangers?
Not gonna happen. Americans need to simply accept the fact that at these thing wil occur as long as we have this love fests with guns.
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And even if security is close by, once someone starts shooting there is panic, do you really want yet another person shooting around?
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Yeah, tell that to the people that died.
But let's keep sacrificing them because they're a statistical anomaly until we work out a real solution.
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