Perhaps, but, i think mistakenly so. i may be wrong, and i mean no disrespect to anyone, but, isn't a Jew simply someone who adheres to Jewish faith? A believer in the teachings of Judaism? My most immediate ancestors are from Ireland, Germany, and God knows where else, but if i adopt a faith in Judaism, am I not Jewish? On the same note, if Jewish is indeed an ethnicity, if a Jew comes to believe, for example, that Jesus was indeed the messiah, does he cease to be Jewish? i've heard the term Messianic Jew used to describe such individuals, but, i just call them Christians. i don't mean to butt in, be argumentative, or derail the discussion. i'm sincerely curious.
Also, i may have missed something, i only skimmed the earlier posts in the thread, but, since Christianity comes directly from the Jewish tradition, and since the NT was written by Jews who became followers of Jesus, can't it be said that BOTH halves of the Bible were written by Jews?
Butt away!
Jewish people are both an Ethnicity and a religion. I guess if you arent Jewish in blood but you convert it would be described more in faith terms regarding you, like Madonna. She is an Italian Catholic by birth but converted to Judaism in her adult life.
I have close friends who are actually Jewish by blood and converted to Christianity! Im always picking their brains because I just find that whole process so fascinating.
And yes, NT was written by Jews who accepted Christ as Messiah, thus became Christian in Faith.
Seriously....for instance, everyone always wants to know why organized religion can be so evil but if they actually read the Bible they would see that one of The main themes of it is to watch out for Bad men who would use it for unrighteous gain (war and money.)
Also everyone is down on Jesus yet HE was persecuted then killed by the religious leaders of the day (Pharisees).They were cruel to the commoners and he protected them.
They constantly mocked him for asscociating with prostitutes and criminals, but all he saw were peoples hearts. He only saw people at a heart level and that is so beautiful to me and how we should all strive to be.
i have read both bibles, the original text and the new testement, and it is abundentlly clear from what you have written, that you either have read niether, or have a very poor understanding of what you have read.
jesus was presicuted by the romans, and killed by them, i challange you to back up your claim that the pharisees, where cruel to commoners.
they didnt need to mock him, he was self ridiculing
he didnt seem to see the heart of the gentiles did he, he called them dogs.
there is nothing beautifull about a man who curses trees, and is rude to his mum.
i have read both bibles, the original text and the new testement, and it is abundentlly clear from what you have written, that you either have read niether, or have a very poor understanding of what you have read.
jesus was presicuted by the romans, and killed by them, i challange you to back up your claim that the pharisees, where cruel to commoners.
they didnt need to mock him, he was self ridiculing
he didnt seem to see the heart of the gentiles did he, he called them dogs.
there is nothing beautifull about a man who curses trees, and is rude to his mum.
I'd love to see your Scripture citations, before I frame a response.
i have read both bibles, the original text and the new testement, and it is abundentlly clear from what you have written, that you either have read niether, or have a very poor understanding of what you have read.
jesus was presicuted by the romans, and killed by them, i challange you to back up your claim that the pharisees, where cruel to commoners.
they didnt need to mock him, he was self ridiculing
he didnt seem to see the heart of the gentiles did he, he called them dogs.
there is nothing beautifull about a man who curses trees, and is rude to his mum.
That was just ignorant, both you saying that I havnt read the Bible and your views on Jesus.
You can be Jewish darling and not hate Jesus, many Jews choose to view him as an important prophet even though they dont believe him to be the Messiah.
And as you can probably guess I have no problem backing up my claims of The Jewish religious hatred for Jesus and eventual murder of him. We all know it was Rome who killed him but it was the Pharisees who arranged for his arrest etc. Thats not even debatable.
What I want to know is- If I went to the trouble of solid proof, would you even open your mind to it? Your hatred of all things Christian and New Testament related comes across clearly. So to people like you, ANYTHING from NT is not even acceptable for arguments sake.
Good question.
All I can say about that with a certainty is that even scientists who dont believe in the Bible are at major odds over the actual age of the Earth.
We do know if you follow Bible chronology that in 1975 it was exactly 6000 years since Adams creation.
Well, that age (around 4.5-4.6 billion years) is, as of right now, generally accepted by the scientific community.
The earliest rocks ever found were dated to be about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years old. So we know for sure that the Earth has to be at least that old.
As for dinosaurs, they roamed the earth for 160 million years, first appearing about 260 million years ago.
It would be impossible for the first humans to have lived just 6000 years ago. Humans first appeared in Africa between 200,000 and 250,000 years ago.
And as you can probably guess I have no problem backing up my claims of The Jewish religious hatred for Jesus and eventual murder of him. We all know it was Rome who killed him but it was the Pharisees who arranged for his arrest etc. Thats not even debatable.
Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, "You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish." He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. So from that day on they plotted to take his life. They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple area they asked one another, "What do you think? Isn't he coming to the Feast at all?" But the chief priests and Pharisees had given orders that if anyone found out where Jesus was, he should report it so that they might arrest him. (John 11:47-53; 56-57)
"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" (John 18:35)
"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." (Acts 2:22-24)
"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this." (Acts 3: 13-15)
"Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." (1 Timothy 1:13)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, that age (around 4.5-4.6 billion years) is, as of right now, generally accepted by the scientific community.
The earliest rocks ever found were dated to be about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years old. So we know for sure that the Earth has to be at least that old.
As for dinosaurs, they roamed the earth for 160 million years, first appearing about 260 million years ago.
It would be impossible for the first humans to have lived just 6000 years ago. Humans first appeared in Africa between 200,000 and 250,000 years ago.
They just found rock evidence of a massive meteor striking the earth 250 billion years ago which wiped out much of the life on earth. There was already evidence of creatures that lived over 250 billion years ago.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
They just found rock evidence of a massive meteor striking the earth 250 billion years ago which wiped out much of the life on earth. There was already evidence of creatures that lived over 250 billion years ago.
I was reading an article just the other day a complete skeleton of some creature older than dinosaurs, it was a t-rex of the ocean they were calling it. I can't find it now.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I was reading an article just the other day a complete skeleton of some creature older than dinosaurs, it was a t-rex of the ocean they were calling it. I can't find it now.
Again I'm getting my facts wrong. Not a good day for me. I swear the CBC article said it was older than the dinosaurs, but all the articles I've see say 25 million years old. Oh well.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Logic and Faith can cohabitate quite nicely together.
And the bible is the most logical book Ive ever read.
Logic can be very simple D2D, truth IS simple.
For instance- the 2cnd greatest commandment is -"Love your neighbor as yourself" Think about it, if every one in the world treated everyone else as they want to be treated it would eliminate 99.99 percent of all the worlds problems.
"Love your neighbor as yourself" - Thats the most logical thing ever written...ponder on it then show me something more logical than that.
You can't really say that the bible is logical. I do agree that the commandments may be but the OLd Testament with genesis, 300-year-old people, the Flood and stuff isn't logical at all. Jesus curing people isn't logical either, you only can believe he did so.
-Thinking if he can't sleep how will he ever dream?-
Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, "You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish." He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. So from that day on they plotted to take his life. They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple area they asked one another, "What do you think? Isn't he coming to the Feast at all?" But the chief priests and Pharisees had given orders that if anyone found out where Jesus was, he should report it so that they might arrest him. (John 11:47-53; 56-57)
"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" (John 18:35)
"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." (Acts 2:22-24)
"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this." (Acts 3: 13-15)
"Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." (1 Timothy 1:13)
What are you getting at with the random verses plucked from the New Testament?
What are you getting at with the random verses plucked from the New Testament?
Nothing. There was just this talking about wether the Jews had Jesus killed or not. So I posted the pertinant excerpts from the Bible. It's up to the reader to inerpret it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
How is Paul's opening of his letter to Timothy pertinent?
Here are the facts:
1. Jerusalem was a Roman protectorate, that had a governor appointed over it.
2. The Jewish leadership (the Sandhedrin) were the ones who had Jesus arrested.
3. The Sandhedrin were allowed to operate as religious authorities with limited public administrative duties given to them. This was a courtesy commonly given by the Romans in the regions they controlled, and certainly would not have included the power to issue a death penalty.
4. Only Pilate had the authority to issue the death penalty to anyone within his jurisdiction. His sentencing of Jesus was a result of the Sandhedrin petitioning Pilate to pass that sentence.
This has been verified not only in Gospel accounts (specifically John 18-19 and Luke 22-23), but in non-Christian historical text (e.g. Josephus, Eusebius, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder)
You can't really say that the bible is logical. I do agree that the commandments may be but the OLd Testament with genesis, 300-year-old people, the Flood and stuff isn't logical at all. Jesus curing people isn't logical either, you only can believe he did so.
I'm wondering what you mean by logical here. Faith healing is an alogical process, and yet it works. I've personally been healed of many disorders and illness, based on spiritual experiences that have shown me how to heal. Also when I have medical issues, I have learned to "go within" to my spiritual self, and head them off. This includes back problems, sciatic nerve problems. I head colds off with mind body techniques, too. The process is from alogical intuitive processes, and it works.
I have a book right here, called "Spontaneous Healing" by Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor: "The body can heal itself. Spontaneous healing is not a miracle but a fact of biology--the result of the natural healing system that each one of us is born with. Drawing on fascinating case histories as well as medical techniques from around the world, Dr. Andrew Weil shows how spontaneous healing has resolved life-threatening diseases, severe trauma, and chronic pain."
Because you don't understand how something works is different than it not being possible.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Seriously....for instance, everyone always wants to know why organized religion can be so evil but if they actually read the Bible they would see that one of The main themes of it is to watch out for Bad men who would use it for unrighteous gain (war and money.)
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organized religion and the bible are two different things. my problem is the way some people use the bible as a tool in organized religion. the problem isn't the bible itself, it's the interpretation.
You can't really say that the bible is logical. I do agree that the commandments may be but the OLd Testament with genesis, 300-year-old people, the Flood and stuff isn't logical at all. Jesus curing people isn't logical either, you only can believe he did so.
Faith transcends logic, which in no way disqualifies the logic inherent in Scripture. Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Put more simply: As has been said--just because one does not understand does not make it illogical.
organized religion and the bible are two different things. my problem is the way some people use the bible as a tool in organized religion. the problem isn't the bible itself, it's the interpretation.
Yes, unfortunately, Christians can be their own worst enemy. I'm well aware of that.
That being said, it is not entirely fair to base one's entire opinion on a minority of (mis)deeds committed by those who may share the same faith/creed/whatever.
I don't think all blacks are racist based on a couple of black people who acted racist towards me.
I don't think all Germans are megalomaniacal psychos bent on world domination based on Hitler and his Nazi cronies.
Yes, unfortunately, Christians can be their own worst enemy. I'm well aware of that.
That being said, it is not entirely fair to base one's entire opinion on a minority of (mis)deeds committed by those who may share the same faith/creed/whatever.
I don't think all blacks are racist based on a couple of black people who acted racist towards me.
I don't think all Germans are megalomaniacal psychos bent on world domination based on Hitler and his Nazi cronies.
yes but unfortunately it only takes a few to create a movement.
and organized religion (not just christianity) has created people that are so firmly rooted in their beliefs it causes conflict, even wars.
and one thing that really bothers me is when people justify discriminating with the argument that it's against their religion, or it's in the bible. maybe the bible says it's not okay to be gay, but it also says it's okay to have slaves. but, how many people do you know still believe slavery is okay?
I'm wondering what you mean by logical here. Faith healing is an alogical process, and yet it works. I've personally been healed of many disorders and illness, based on spiritual experiences that have shown me how to heal. Also when I have medical issues, I have learned to "go within" to my spiritual self, and head them off. This includes back problems, sciatic nerve problems. I head colds off with mind body techniques, too. The process is from alogical intuitive processes, and it works.
I have a book right here, called "Spontaneous Healing" by Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor: "The body can heal itself. Spontaneous healing is not a miracle but a fact of biology--the result of the natural healing system that each one of us is born with. Drawing on fascinating case histories as well as medical techniques from around the world, Dr. Andrew Weil shows how spontaneous healing has resolved life-threatening diseases, severe trauma, and chronic pain."
Because you don't understand how something works is different than it not being possible.
In my opinion what you're speaking of is something completely different since you kind of heal yourself or your body heals itself. That's totally different from somebody else curing you by touching or something.
But on the other hand I understand what you mean. Maybe it worked because the people who were cured believed that Jesus could do it.
So I have to admit that this curing thing wasn't really an argument but you definitely can't say that the OLd Testament is logical...well, I guess I've got to think about that again...
-Thinking if he can't sleep how will he ever dream?-
Faith transcends logic, which in no way disqualifies the logic inherent in Scripture. Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Put more simply: As has been said--just because one does not understand does not make it illogical.
Yep, okay I agree with that. What I said wasn't really logical....
I tried to explain something with the wrong word...
-Thinking if he can't sleep how will he ever dream?-
yes but unfortunately it only takes a few to create a movement.
and organized religion (not just christianity) has created people that are so firmly rooted in their beliefs it causes conflict, even wars.
and one thing that really bothers me is when people justify discriminating with the argument that it's against their religion, or it's in the bible. maybe the bible says it's not okay to be gay, but it also says it's okay to have slaves. but, how many people do you know still believe slavery is okay?
I hear you, but I'm having trouble with the way you're phrasing yourself. One minute it's nothing against Christianity in particular, the next it is.
Seriously....for instance, everyone always wants to know why organized religion can be so evil but if they actually read the Bible they would see that one of The main themes of it is to watch out for Bad men who would use it for unrighteous gain (war and money.)
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organized religion and the bible are two different things. my problem is the way some people use the bible as a tool in organized religion. the problem isn't the bible itself, it's the interpretation.
So true!
But it's also that the people take everything that's written in the bible verbatim thinking it's impeccable and forget that it were human beings who wrote it down
and not God himself.
-Thinking if he can't sleep how will he ever dream?-
Nothing. There was just this talking about wether the Jews had Jesus killed or not. So I posted the pertinant excerpts from the Bible. It's up to the reader to inerpret it.
Actually, thank you.Those scrips were great.
I guess Im confused when Jewish people are defensive that they didnt arrange for Jesus' murder when THAT is one of the things in the bible that is spelled out so plainly.I mean the entire Hebrew Scrips is them waiting for Messiah - He finally shows up, they rejected him and had him killed!? Why is it offensive if someone point that out (Passion of the Christ)? Ill have to ask my Jewish friends that.
But it's also that the people take everything that's written in the bible verbatim thinking it's impeccable and forget that it were human beings who wrote it down and not God himself.
Well, there are literalists, and then there are those who believe very strongly that the Word of God was inspired, not literal.
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And conversely, I also agree with the rest of your post.
Butt away!
Jewish people are both an Ethnicity and a religion. I guess if you arent Jewish in blood but you convert it would be described more in faith terms regarding you, like Madonna. She is an Italian Catholic by birth but converted to Judaism in her adult life.
I have close friends who are actually Jewish by blood and converted to Christianity! Im always picking their brains because I just find that whole process so fascinating.
And yes, NT was written by Jews who accepted Christ as Messiah, thus became Christian in Faith.
jesus was presicuted by the romans, and killed by them, i challange you to back up your claim that the pharisees, where cruel to commoners.
they didnt need to mock him, he was self ridiculing
he didnt seem to see the heart of the gentiles did he, he called them dogs.
there is nothing beautifull about a man who curses trees, and is rude to his mum.
That was just ignorant, both you saying that I havnt read the Bible and your views on Jesus.
You can be Jewish darling and not hate Jesus, many Jews choose to view him as an important prophet even though they dont believe him to be the Messiah.
And as you can probably guess I have no problem backing up my claims of The Jewish religious hatred for Jesus and eventual murder of him. We all know it was Rome who killed him but it was the Pharisees who arranged for his arrest etc. Thats not even debatable.
What I want to know is- If I went to the trouble of solid proof, would you even open your mind to it? Your hatred of all things Christian and New Testament related comes across clearly. So to people like you, ANYTHING from NT is not even acceptable for arguments sake.
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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Well, that age (around 4.5-4.6 billion years) is, as of right now, generally accepted by the scientific community.
The earliest rocks ever found were dated to be about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years old. So we know for sure that the Earth has to be at least that old.
As for dinosaurs, they roamed the earth for 160 million years, first appearing about 260 million years ago.
It would be impossible for the first humans to have lived just 6000 years ago. Humans first appeared in Africa between 200,000 and 250,000 years ago.
Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, "You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish." He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. So from that day on they plotted to take his life. They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple area they asked one another, "What do you think? Isn't he coming to the Feast at all?" But the chief priests and Pharisees had given orders that if anyone found out where Jesus was, he should report it so that they might arrest him. (John 11:47-53; 56-57)
"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" (John 18:35)
"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." (Acts 2:22-24)
"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this." (Acts 3: 13-15)
"Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." (1 Timothy 1:13)
They just found rock evidence of a massive meteor striking the earth 250 billion years ago which wiped out much of the life on earth. There was already evidence of creatures that lived over 250 billion years ago.
I already knew that, but thanks anyways
My bad, million not billion. You were right, interesting news none-the-less.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060721090947.htm
Good thing I check my facts.
I was reading an article just the other day a complete skeleton of some creature older than dinosaurs, it was a t-rex of the ocean they were calling it. I can't find it now.
Again I'm getting my facts wrong. Not a good day for me. I swear the CBC article said it was older than the dinosaurs, but all the articles I've see say 25 million years old. Oh well.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/08/16/whalefossil_din.html?category=dinosaurs&guid=20060816133030
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Yeah, you were a bit off, lol.
O.k. Fair enough. I personally prefer to read the gnostic christian texts as they convey a meaning which rings truer to myself than the orhodox texts.
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Nothing. There was just this talking about wether the Jews had Jesus killed or not. So I posted the pertinant excerpts from the Bible. It's up to the reader to inerpret it.
Here are the facts:
1. Jerusalem was a Roman protectorate, that had a governor appointed over it.
2. The Jewish leadership (the Sandhedrin) were the ones who had Jesus arrested.
3. The Sandhedrin were allowed to operate as religious authorities with limited public administrative duties given to them. This was a courtesy commonly given by the Romans in the regions they controlled, and certainly would not have included the power to issue a death penalty.
4. Only Pilate had the authority to issue the death penalty to anyone within his jurisdiction. His sentencing of Jesus was a result of the Sandhedrin petitioning Pilate to pass that sentence.
This has been verified not only in Gospel accounts (specifically John 18-19 and Luke 22-23), but in non-Christian historical text (e.g. Josephus, Eusebius, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder)
I have a book right here, called "Spontaneous Healing" by Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard educated doctor: "The body can heal itself. Spontaneous healing is not a miracle but a fact of biology--the result of the natural healing system that each one of us is born with. Drawing on fascinating case histories as well as medical techniques from around the world, Dr. Andrew Weil shows how spontaneous healing has resolved life-threatening diseases, severe trauma, and chronic pain."
Because you don't understand how something works is different than it not being possible.
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That being said, it is not entirely fair to base one's entire opinion on a minority of (mis)deeds committed by those who may share the same faith/creed/whatever.
I don't think all blacks are racist based on a couple of black people who acted racist towards me.
I don't think all Germans are megalomaniacal psychos bent on world domination based on Hitler and his Nazi cronies.
yes but unfortunately it only takes a few to create a movement.
and organized religion (not just christianity) has created people that are so firmly rooted in their beliefs it causes conflict, even wars.
and one thing that really bothers me is when people justify discriminating with the argument that it's against their religion, or it's in the bible. maybe the bible says it's not okay to be gay, but it also says it's okay to have slaves. but, how many people do you know still believe slavery is okay?
But on the other hand I understand what you mean. Maybe it worked because the people who were cured believed that Jesus could do it.
So I have to admit that this curing thing wasn't really an argument but you definitely can't say that the OLd Testament is logical...well, I guess I've got to think about that again...
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I tried to explain something with the wrong word...
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But it's also that the people take everything that's written in the bible verbatim thinking it's impeccable and forget that it were human beings who wrote it down
and not God himself.
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Actually, thank you.Those scrips were great.
I guess Im confused when Jewish people are defensive that they didnt arrange for Jesus' murder when THAT is one of the things in the bible that is spelled out so plainly.I mean the entire Hebrew Scrips is them waiting for Messiah - He finally shows up, they rejected him and had him killed!? Why is it offensive if someone point that out (Passion of the Christ)? Ill have to ask my Jewish friends that.
Beautifully put.
And to some of us, we honor faith as superior to logic, yet never forgetting that logic is very important as well.
Well, there are literalists, and then there are those who believe very strongly that the Word of God was inspired, not literal.