How Many Here Have Even Read The Bible?

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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    eden wrote:
    Are "most" divided into 66 books, written by over 40 men and spanned THOUSANDS of years in its completion from beginning to end??? Please, explain that away to me Collin. As you know - even non-believes know this to be fact and not conjecture or speculations. We have scientifically aged scrolls to prove the time frame of the writing of the Bible.

    All those writers share the same faith, it's as simple as that.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    eden wrote:
    Angelica,
    I totally admire and look for your posts. I find you to be very enlightened.
    Thank-you.
    BUT- its OK to me that there are universal truths, that some things are black and white in this World, your theory FEELS really good but it doesnt answer concrete questions. Its too loosey-goosey for me.
    I completely agree that some things are black and white--particularly the Universal Laws, or God's laws.
    As an example - I could decide that I was going to defy the law of gravity and jump off a cliff because it would FEEL really good to fly and dammitt, Im not going to let anyone judge me, Im going to do as I see fit with no accountability to a higher law than myself. Ok, obviously I could choose to do that, but the result would be my death because as we know the law of Gravity is a higher law than my own personal feelings. Its the same to me with the principles and laws of the Bible.
    I agree 100 %. You may not have noticed, but in many of my posts in the past few days, I talk about that we have no choice but to follow Universal Law because we are immersed in it. It sounds like you have questions remaining regarding my approach. It's understandable that it takes time before we all understand each other, if complete understanding is at all possible.

    Just yesterday, I said: "Either way we can't dodge the fact that we work around the natural rule--we can't rise above it"
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    Collin wrote:
    All those writers share the same faith, it's as simple as that.

    Hello? The first half of the bible was written by Jews, the second half Christians.


    You are just spouting off the top of your head and arent even making sense anymore.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    eden wrote:
    Hello? The first half of the bible was written by Jews, the second half Christians.
    You are just spouting off the top of your head and arent even making sense anymore.

    Last time I checked, Jews believed in God and so did Christians.
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  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    angelica wrote:
    Thank-you.

    I completely agree that some things are black and white--particularly the Universal Laws, or God's laws.

    I agree 100 %. You may not have noticed, but in many of my posts in the past few days, I talk about that we have no choice but to follow Universal Law because we are immersed in it. It sounds like you have questions remaining regarding my approach. It's understandable that it takes time before we all understand each other, if complete understanding is at all possible.

    Just yesterday, I said: "Either way we can't dodge the fact that we work around the natural rule--we can't rise above it"

    Are you agnostic (a bit unsure either way)? Just wondering where you stand because your posts are very intelligent but dont really take a stand on either side. But is nice how the undercurrent of your posts is love and understanding of everyone.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    eden wrote:
    But is nice how the undercurrent of your posts is love and understanding of everyone.

    First time I agree with you 100% in this thread, eden :)
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    eden wrote:
    Are you agnostic (a bit unsure either way)? Just wondering where you stand because your posts are very intelligent but dont really take a stand on either side. But is nice how the undercurrent of your posts is love and understanding of everyone.
    For the past 12 years, I have had personal spiritual experiences with God, that have shown me truths and understandings, and that have directed me towards healing numerous problems in my life. I have been on my knees crying in sheer humility at the overwhelming vast Love of God, during some of these experiences. There is a God. If anyone does not know that, it is because they do not yet know. There is no non-anything including non-god or non-faith. There is only pure everything. The opposite to everything just helps us learn the truth in it's amazing beauty. It IS All. Some people do see this power in different ways. Others see it all the time and just don't recognize it. It's easy to overlook how miraculous everything is when we just ARE miraculous.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    Collin wrote:
    Last time I checked, Jews believed in God and so did Christians.

    You said "share the same faith".

    If were talking Gods, well Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God, I dont see how that is relevant to the discussion.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Collin wrote:
    First time I agree with you 100% in this thread, eden :)
    Thank-you Collin. :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    eden wrote:
    You said "share the same faith".

    If were talking Gods, well Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God, I dont see how that is relevant to the discussion.

    The point is the bible was written by people who all have faith that god exists, obviously.

    400 years BC there were atheists and there are atheists now, does that mean god doesn't exist, no. It doesn't mean anything, it means in the year 400 BC there were people who didn't believe god existed or people who had a lack of faith in god and you had people who believed in god...
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    Collin wrote:
    First time I agree with you 100% in this thread, eden :)
    Just admit that I won or at least that my counterpoints have validity!

    Or maybe youre just getting tired like me..:D

    Too bad youre not here, we could fall asleep together.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    eden wrote:
    Just admit that I won or at least that my counterpoints have validity!

    Or maybe youre just getting tired like me..:D

    Too bad youre not here, we could fall asleep together.

    Well where I am, it's only 6 pm :D

    I don't think we'll ever agree. Unless we say something like, to each his own :D
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    Collin wrote:
    Well where I am, it's only 6 pm :D

    I don't think we'll ever agree. Unless we say something like, to each his own :D


    That wouldnt satisfy me, I need to conquer peoples minds. :)

    Anyway, where in the hell are you? Its 9am in Southern California!
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    eden wrote:
    That wouldnt satisfy me, I need to conquer peoples minds. :)

    Anyway, where in the hell are you? Its 9am in Southern California!

    Belgium, Europe ;)
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    yellowstripes wrote:
    Regret is a FEELING, an emotion, not a change of mind. A change of mind is to percieve something in a new way.

    Thank-you eden, for your posts in this thread.
    So you're telling me that a perfect and all-knowing god created humans and then regretted it. Why the regret? Wouldn't an omnipotent being have known from the start just how it would turn out?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    dkst0426 wrote:
    How is a provident God evidence of God changing his mind?
    Again, if he's perfect and all-knowing, he knows much better what's good for you than you do. Why would he bow to your imperfect wishes made in ignorance of all that he knows?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    eden wrote:
    Thats a good point I think, what you said about regret being an emotion.

    He has never changed his original purpose for human beings, yet, being an emotional God (thats where WE got our emotions from, as we were created in "his" image Genesis brings out) He has always dealt with humans with love and even considerd their feelings -I always remember when Lot asked him to spare Sodom and Gommorah if he could only find 100 good hearted people and he let himself be "reasoned with" by Lot all the way down to 10 good people.

    On a sidenote - One of the things that doesnt satisfy me about the evolution theory is that it doesnt explain where we got these emotions from. Eddie said it best - "The Oceans made us, but who came up with love?".
    Oh my, the story of Lot!?! These ten "good" people include Lot himself, who offered his daughters up to a mob to be raped. They include the daughters, who conspired to get their father drunk so that they could have sex with him. If these were the best people Sodom had to offer, you can almost sympathize with God wanting to destroy the place.

    Then there's Lot's otherwise "good" wife, who was turned into a pillar of salt for the seemingly small offense of turning around and taking a peek.

    So incest and drunkenness and handing your kids over to a mob is ok, but turning around isn't. This is a loving God?!??!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    eden wrote:
    See, thats a perfect example of my argument here^^. You spout off like that with no logical evidence to back up what you just said.

    Throughout the ENTIRE bible, God gave people so many "chances" before he brought some sort of destruction that it almost makes him seem like a masochist.
    No ... what makes him seem like a masochist is coming to earth in human form for the purpose of being tortured and killed. Seriously, if he wanted to forgive us, why not just do so? He's omnipotent, he can do whatever he likes.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Collin wrote:
    First time I agree with you 100% in this thread, eden :)
    At least we are all in agreement regarding angelica :)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    eden wrote:
    Seriously....for instance, everyone always wants to know why organized religion can be so evil but if they actually read the Bible they would see that one of The main themes of it is to watch out for Bad men who would use it for unrighteous gain (war and money.)

    Also everyone is down on Jesus yet HE was persecuted then killed by the religious leaders of the day (Pharisees).They were cruel to the commoners and he protected them.

    They constantly mocked him for asscociating with prostitutes and criminals, but all he saw were peoples hearts. He only saw people at a heart level and that is so beautiful to me and how we should all strive to be.


    That's all well and good, but was Jesus the first person to say and do these things? My point is, do we need the Bible to give us this enlightenment? And what of all the other parts of the Bible that don't make much sense, and are even quite insane?

    If the Bible is the word of God, then God is a schizo.

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