How Many Here Have Even Read The Bible?

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  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    decides2dream wrote:
    i have never read the bible cover to cover, but i have read huge amounts of it in my youth during religious studies, went to catholic school, etc. however.....does one need to read the bible to discuss organized religion?

    i didn't think the bible alone representative of all organized religion, and there are other 'holy books' out there as well. should we all read the qu'ran too? i mean sure, i bet it would be just as informative/enlightening to a degree...but for many of us who religion is simply not in the forefront of our lives, beyond being interested in others and/or historical interest to some degree......why?

    i personally have not seen how 'everyone is down on Jesus'...i find most, even if they are not religious, or not christian, at least see him as a good man, a spiritual man, a man who worked for good in the world, etc. point is, if it's not one's faith, what difference does it make? we all have different beliefs, points of view....to me, as long as people are respectful/tolerant or mine or anyone else's beliefs...i'm cool with it. and yea, obviously, we have a LONG way to go on that one.


    besides, i don't blame religion for evil...i blame the twisted minds who use religion, or anything really, as a handy *excuse* for their own agendas of evil.


    go book of morman.

    and go padres.

    i put all my stock in the latter.

    and have nothing to show for it.

    except, there's always next year.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    dkst0426 wrote:
    That site's just a tad bit biased. When looking at how the Bible addresses gender roles, it's important to remember the sociocultural and historical context. Remember the audience.

    It takes the ultimate in legalism to reduce a woman's rule to nothing and base it on Scripture. Let's not forget the Bible is full of strong women figures as well, like Sarah, Rahab, Esther, Ruth, Mary, and more.
    It would be a whole lot easier to accept the book within a "sociocultural and historical context" if no one was claiming that it is the divinely revealed and infallible word of god himself. What happened, did god change his mind? And if so, why wasn't THAT recorded in the bible?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    hippiemom wrote:
    What happened, did god change his mind? And if so, why wasn't THAT recorded in the bible?


    God can't change "Its" mind becuase it is the ultimate perfect being. Therefore it never makes a decision that need to be changed since it was the perfect decision. So if the bible is not how it was when it was first written then it is wrong and going against the intention of God. God does not want people to change the bible to better suit their lifestyles because then the bible would have to be rewritten (like it already has been).


    I have no idea why god wrote a book that applied to when it was written but was too nearsighted to see into the future to look at how the world would develope. That doesn't make any sense to me, but then again, very few things in religion do.
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:




    I have no idea why god wrote a book that applied to when it was written but was too nearsighted to see into the future to look at how the world would develope. That doesn't make any sense to me, but then again, very few things in religion do.


    Honestly, this boggles my mind when I hear this argument.

    People are EXACTLY the same as they were in the bible. Their conduct, intentions, fears, etc. Just because in the last 2000 years technology has come so far - that has nothing to do with the fact that the principles on how to live your life to be a happy, loving, successul person apply exactly the same today as they did then I believe.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    God can't change "Its" mind becuase it is the ultimate perfect being. Therefore it never makes a decision that need to be changed since it was the perfect decision. So if the bible is not how it was when it was first written then it is wrong and going against the intention of God. God does not want people to change the bible to better suit their lifestyles because then the bible would have to be rewritten (like it already has been).
    But there are many instances of god changing his mind within the bible itself.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • brainofPJ
    brainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    hippiemom wrote:
    But there are many instances of god changing his mind within the bible itself.


    ...


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    hippiemom wrote:
    But there are many instances of god changing his mind within the bible itself.


    Really? Can I have an example of that?
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    hippiemom wrote:
    But there are many instances of god changing his mind within the bible itself.


    I have no idea man.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    It's Saturday night, so I'm not going to dig up a Bible and start doing research, but off the top of my head ... any instance where god grants a prayer request would be an example of god changing his mind. And of course there's the commandment against killing, contrasted with numerous orders to go forth and slaughter this tribe or that. And if I'm remembering correctly, god brought the flood because he regretted having created humans.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's Saturday night, so I'm not going to dig up a Bible and start doing research, but off the top of my head ... any instance where god grants a prayer request would be an example of god changing his mind. And of course there's the commandment against killing, contrasted with numerous orders to go forth and slaughter this tribe or that. And if I'm remembering correctly, god brought the flood because he regretted having created humans.


    good points. what times is it where you are?
  • brainofPJ
    brainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    read the Bible all the time


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    I've read the sequel...

    i was actually going to buy it once and i had the choice between the Bible and Jurassic Park........ i wanted something that was realistic, believable and most of all, would mention dinosaurs... so i got Jurassic Park :)


    no dinos in the Bible.... why is this?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's Saturday night, so I'm not going to dig up a Bible and start doing research, but off the top of my head ... any instance where god grants a prayer request would be an example of god changing his mind. And of course there's the commandment against killing, contrasted with numerous orders to go forth and slaughter this tribe or that. And if I'm remembering correctly, god brought the flood because he regretted having created humans.

    The God of the Bible is a loving God who has very real feelings. Hes not a dictator who demands that people do it his way or they die.

    When he brought the flood, he was "hurt at his heart" which to me conveys that he has deep feeling, and thats comforting.

    The main reason it says that he brought the flood is because the angels had come down from heaven and mated with human women and the spawn of this were "Nephilim" -very wicked and giant offspring who some scholars believe were actually the Gods and Demi-gods of Ancient Greek Mythology.

    He chose Noah to warn the people for 40 years of what was coming but in the end only Noah and his sons and their wives survived. Shem -(where Semitic people descended from such as Jewish) Ham- (Hamitic peoples such as the Black race) and Japeth -(Japethic people are Eastern Europeans, Anglo's)
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's Saturday night, so I'm not going to dig up a Bible and start doing research, but off the top of my head ... any instance where god grants a prayer request would be an example of god changing his mind. And of course there's the commandment against killing, contrasted with numerous orders to go forth and slaughter this tribe or that. And if I'm remembering correctly, god brought the flood because he regretted having created humans.

    Im curious too, why you view him "changing his mind" as a contradiction and proof of his non-existance instead of a sign of an incredibally loving God who made allowances for peoples feelings and who actually referred to humans as his "Friend" (Abraham).
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    I've read the sequel...

    i was actually going to buy it once and i had the choice between the Bible and Jurassic Park........ i wanted something that was realistic, believable and most of all, would mention dinosaurs... so i got Jurassic Park :)


    no dinos in the Bible.... why is this?

    In the first few Chaps. of Genesis it describes the 7 creative "days" which actually spanned thousands and thousands of years, it describes Great wild beasts roaming the Earth...Bible scholars believe that these were the Dinosaurs and that he created them for a purpose (oil, etc.) but obviously killed them off before creating Humans.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    eden wrote:
    The main reason it says that he brought the flood is because the angels had come down from heaven and mated with human women and the spawn of this were "Nephilim" -very wicked and giant offspring who some scholars believe were actually the Gods and Demi-gods of Ancient Greek Mythology.

    the angels... :eek:

    mating with human women :eek:

    Lysergic acid diethylamide :cool:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    dunkman1974 wrote:

    :

    Lysergic acid diethylamide :cool:

    Huh? Lol!

    Even perfect Angels couldnt resist the power of a beautiful woman I guess :)
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    eden wrote:
    Huh? Lol!

    Even perfect Angels couldnt resist the power of a beautiful woman I guess :)



    If angels were chicks he'd have to drown us again because of my sexiness.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    eden wrote:
    Im curious too, why you view him "changing his mind" as a contradiction and proof of his non-existance instead of a sign of an incredibally loving God who made allowances for peoples feelings and who actually referred to humans as his "Friend" (Abraham).
    I don't take it as proof of his non-existence, although I think it puts a dent in claims of infallibility. I don't think it's possible to prove that something doesn't exist. I don't believe in the bible for numerous other reasons.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • eden
    eden Posts: 407
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    If angels were chicks he'd have to drown us again because of my sexiness.

    You are too much dude :D

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