Regret is a FEELING, an emotion, not a change of mind. A change of mind is to percieve something in a new way.
Thank-you eden, for your posts in this thread.
So you're telling me that a perfect and all-knowing god created humans and then regretted it. Why the regret? Wouldn't an omnipotent being have known from the start just how it would turn out?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
How is a provident God evidence of God changing his mind?
Again, if he's perfect and all-knowing, he knows much better what's good for you than you do. Why would he bow to your imperfect wishes made in ignorance of all that he knows?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Thats a good point I think, what you said about regret being an emotion.
He has never changed his original purpose for human beings, yet, being an emotional God (thats where WE got our emotions from, as we were created in "his" image Genesis brings out) He has always dealt with humans with love and even considerd their feelings -I always remember when Lot asked him to spare Sodom and Gommorah if he could only find 100 good hearted people and he let himself be "reasoned with" by Lot all the way down to 10 good people.
On a sidenote - One of the things that doesnt satisfy me about the evolution theory is that it doesnt explain where we got these emotions from. Eddie said it best - "The Oceans made us, but who came up with love?".
Oh my, the story of Lot!?! These ten "good" people include Lot himself, who offered his daughters up to a mob to be raped. They include the daughters, who conspired to get their father drunk so that they could have sex with him. If these were the best people Sodom had to offer, you can almost sympathize with God wanting to destroy the place.
Then there's Lot's otherwise "good" wife, who was turned into a pillar of salt for the seemingly small offense of turning around and taking a peek.
So incest and drunkenness and handing your kids over to a mob is ok, but turning around isn't. This is a loving God?!??!
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
See, thats a perfect example of my argument here^^. You spout off like that with no logical evidence to back up what you just said.
Throughout the ENTIRE bible, God gave people so many "chances" before he brought some sort of destruction that it almost makes him seem like a masochist.
No ... what makes him seem like a masochist is coming to earth in human form for the purpose of being tortured and killed. Seriously, if he wanted to forgive us, why not just do so? He's omnipotent, he can do whatever he likes.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Seriously....for instance, everyone always wants to know why organized religion can be so evil but if they actually read the Bible they would see that one of The main themes of it is to watch out for Bad men who would use it for unrighteous gain (war and money.)
Also everyone is down on Jesus yet HE was persecuted then killed by the religious leaders of the day (Pharisees).They were cruel to the commoners and he protected them.
They constantly mocked him for asscociating with prostitutes and criminals, but all he saw were peoples hearts. He only saw people at a heart level and that is so beautiful to me and how we should all strive to be.
That's all well and good, but was Jesus the first person to say and do these things? My point is, do we need the Bible to give us this enlightenment? And what of all the other parts of the Bible that don't make much sense, and are even quite insane?
If the Bible is the word of God, then God is a schizo.
Wouldn't an omnipotent being have known from the start just how it would turn out?
Yes, and the All does know everything. And does not regret. Humans are the ones who perceive regret and then apply that to our "understanding" of All. When we break the All into stories, it is no longer the All, and it naturally loses something in the translation. We fill in the blanks of "lack of understanding" with our human biases and lacks. It's a little concept known as "evil", or living backwards, in order to find the truth.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I've read parts, and had parts read to me. I like having it read to me more.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
When is it our turn to be terminated by this all loving god?
well in 4 billion years the sun will expand to take in fuel and thusly will scorch the earth so badly that all, not just human, ALL life will cease to exist on this planet.... after this the Earth will be a desolate wasteland (with molten lava for soil...
so we have 4 billion years to get ourselves onto another solar system.... unless god wants us all to die... if he doesnt then he created the sun very poorly didnt he... he should have used an energy saving light source instead of one of those old fashioned ones!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
The Bible is intended to be a guide on how to live life to our highest spiritual potential. It can/does answer spiritual questions. It is intended to help direct people when they run across problems, by offering stories, metaphors, parables and other symbolic messages that explain what is beyond our physical world understanding. It provides spiritual insight into one's issues.
However, the Bible is not intended to be used in any way as a tool with which to judge others, or to judge the path of others. Jesus was very clear that when we judge the spec in another's eyes, we cannot see correctly because we have a plank in our own eye. What is healthy in the way of sharing the Divine message of God, is sharing one's personal experiences with God. One's personal experiences are truthful to us, and cannot be diminished. By sharing such experience, we can enLighten others. By arguing for our "rightness", we've entered into judgment and must learn the hard way that our bias is not God's truth.
It's quite clear people leave these distinctly defined boundaries all the time. Where do we go wrong? We justify doing what is wrong. When people assume their judgements of the bible to be intended for anyone other than themselves, they slip into error and will find out the hard way. One personal point of view cannot disprove another. But one can prove their own biases, and lack of truthful view.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
At least we are all in agreement regarding angelica
yeah me too.... she's such a hottie!!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Again, if he's perfect and all-knowing, he knows much better what's good for you than you do. Why would he bow to your imperfect wishes made in ignorance of all that he knows?
That's not an answer to the question. Your premise assumes that what a person may ask for in their prayer is not God's will to begin with.
In the first few Chaps. of Genesis it describes the 7 creative "days" which actually spanned thousands and thousands of years, it describes Great wild beasts roaming the Earth...Bible scholars believe that these were the Dinosaurs and that he created them for a purpose (oil, etc.) but obviously killed them off before creating Humans.
Ok, if the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, then just how much thousands and thousands of years is one day of the creative days?
well in 4 billion years the sun will expand to take in fuel and thusly will scorch the earth so badly that all, not just human, ALL life will cease to exist on this planet.... after this the Earth will be a desolate wasteland (with molten lava for soil..
Yep.
From Wikipedia: "in 4–5 billion years, the Sun will enter a red giant phase, its outer layers expanding as the hydrogen fuel in the core is consumed and the core contracts and heats up. Helium fusion will begin when the core temperature reaches about 3×108 K. While it is likely that the expansion of the outer layers of the Sun will reach the current position of Earth's orbit, recent research suggests that mass lost from the Sun earlier in its red giant phase will cause the Earth's orbit to move further out, preventing it from being engulfed. However, Earth's water and most of the atmosphere will be boiled away."
Ok, if the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, then just how much thousands and thousands of years is one day of the creative days?
Good question.
All I can say about that with a certainty is that even scientists who dont believe in the Bible are at major odds over the actual age of the Earth.
We do know if you follow Bible chronology that in 1975 it was exactly 6000 years since Adams creation.
As a reference to an ethnic race in today's context, it can be argued that it is.
But yeah.........
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Perhaps, but, i think mistakenly so. i may be wrong, and i mean no disrespect to anyone, but, isn't a Jew simply someone who adheres to Jewish faith? A believer in the teachings of Judaism? My most immediate ancestors are from Ireland, Germany, and God knows where else, but if i adopt a faith in Judaism, am I not Jewish? On the same note, if Jewish is indeed an ethnicity, if a Jew comes to believe, for example, that Jesus was indeed the messiah, does he cease to be Jewish? i've heard the term Messianic Jew used to describe such individuals, but, i just call them Christians. i don't mean to butt in, be argumentative, or derail the discussion. i'm sincerely curious.
Also, i may have missed something, i only skimmed the earlier posts in the thread, but, since Christianity comes directly from the Jewish tradition, and since the NT was written by Jews who became followers of Jesus, can't it be said that BOTH halves of the Bible were written by Jews?
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Or maybe youre just getting tired like me..:D
Too bad youre not here, we could fall asleep together.
Well where I am, it's only 6 pm
I don't think we'll ever agree. Unless we say something like, to each his own
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That wouldnt satisfy me, I need to conquer peoples minds.
Anyway, where in the hell are you? Its 9am in Southern California!
Belgium, Europe
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Then there's Lot's otherwise "good" wife, who was turned into a pillar of salt for the seemingly small offense of turning around and taking a peek.
So incest and drunkenness and handing your kids over to a mob is ok, but turning around isn't. This is a loving God?!??!
That's all well and good, but was Jesus the first person to say and do these things? My point is, do we need the Bible to give us this enlightenment? And what of all the other parts of the Bible that don't make much sense, and are even quite insane?
If the Bible is the word of God, then God is a schizo.
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I notice you know more about bible stories than I do!
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The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
well in 4 billion years the sun will expand to take in fuel and thusly will scorch the earth so badly that all, not just human, ALL life will cease to exist on this planet.... after this the Earth will be a desolate wasteland (with molten lava for soil...
so we have 4 billion years to get ourselves onto another solar system.... unless god wants us all to die... if he doesnt then he created the sun very poorly didnt he... he should have used an energy saving light source instead of one of those old fashioned ones!
However, the Bible is not intended to be used in any way as a tool with which to judge others, or to judge the path of others. Jesus was very clear that when we judge the spec in another's eyes, we cannot see correctly because we have a plank in our own eye. What is healthy in the way of sharing the Divine message of God, is sharing one's personal experiences with God. One's personal experiences are truthful to us, and cannot be diminished. By sharing such experience, we can enLighten others. By arguing for our "rightness", we've entered into judgment and must learn the hard way that our bias is not God's truth.
It's quite clear people leave these distinctly defined boundaries all the time. Where do we go wrong? We justify doing what is wrong. When people assume their judgements of the bible to be intended for anyone other than themselves, they slip into error and will find out the hard way. One personal point of view cannot disprove another. But one can prove their own biases, and lack of truthful view.
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yeah me too.... she's such a hottie!!!
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I know Im no Anjelica, Ive tried to be like that but it just dont stick!
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Ok, if the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, then just how much thousands and thousands of years is one day of the creative days?
Yep.
From Wikipedia: "in 4–5 billion years, the Sun will enter a red giant phase, its outer layers expanding as the hydrogen fuel in the core is consumed and the core contracts and heats up. Helium fusion will begin when the core temperature reaches about 3×108 K. While it is likely that the expansion of the outer layers of the Sun will reach the current position of Earth's orbit, recent research suggests that mass lost from the Sun earlier in its red giant phase will cause the Earth's orbit to move further out, preventing it from being engulfed. However, Earth's water and most of the atmosphere will be boiled away."
Well, in all due respect, neither is Jewish, really.
Aw, how stinkin' sweet!
Who is talking ethnicity? We were talking faith I thought.
Good question.
All I can say about that with a certainty is that even scientists who dont believe in the Bible are at major odds over the actual age of the Earth.
We do know if you follow Bible chronology that in 1975 it was exactly 6000 years since Adams creation.
But yeah.........
It appears that I misread you.
You were just trying to get me to reply to you, and see? Your sinister plan worked!
Perhaps, but, i think mistakenly so. i may be wrong, and i mean no disrespect to anyone, but, isn't a Jew simply someone who adheres to Jewish faith? A believer in the teachings of Judaism? My most immediate ancestors are from Ireland, Germany, and God knows where else, but if i adopt a faith in Judaism, am I not Jewish? On the same note, if Jewish is indeed an ethnicity, if a Jew comes to believe, for example, that Jesus was indeed the messiah, does he cease to be Jewish? i've heard the term Messianic Jew used to describe such individuals, but, i just call them Christians. i don't mean to butt in, be argumentative, or derail the discussion. i'm sincerely curious.
Also, i may have missed something, i only skimmed the earlier posts in the thread, but, since Christianity comes directly from the Jewish tradition, and since the NT was written by Jews who became followers of Jesus, can't it be said that BOTH halves of the Bible were written by Jews?