How is abortion morally ethical.....

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  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    brainofPJ wrote:
    well, it is...

    human life isn't contingent on emotion or the ability to speak

    nor on the ability to live on its own, the "viability" argument. even after birth, a baby cannot "live on its own". by the definition applied to render a fetus a non-baby, the same could realitically be said for most humans under the age of about 10 or 12.....or 20 in many cases ;)


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  • Gremmie95
    Gremmie95 Posts: 749
    touchy subject. For me personally, there is a small amount of grey area on abortion. The only time I see it as "acceptable" is rape. Whether it is a stranger or family member, the person did not ask for the baby. Other than that people use abortion as last minute birth control. I have the misfortune of knowing a girl through a friend of a friend of a friend who has had 6 abortions. 6 fucking abortions. Makes me sick to my stomach.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    brainofPJ wrote:
    well, it is...

    human life isn't contingent on emotion or the ability to speak


    I thought this was common knowledge.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    miller8966 wrote:
    yet the death penalty is not?

    neither are morally ethical.. though many feel one or both are socially necessary.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    miller8966 wrote:
    IMO it all has to do with consequences...you fucked up and now dont want to have a baby so you decide to have an abortion...its pretty much a cure-all to something there shouldnt be a cure- all too. Its illogical.

    well then, how is abortion morally unethical but the death penalty is not?
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    You spin me right round baby right round
    Like a record baby, right round round round
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    decides2dream wrote:
    You spin me right round baby right round
    Like a record baby, right round round round

    Very good. You can have a gold star for that.
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  • rigneyclan
    rigneyclan Posts: 289
    People need to mind their own business when it comes to such personal issues as abortion. Absolutely NO ONE has (or will ever have) the right to tell a woman what to do with HER own body. If abortion is outlawed, expect to see a big spike in crime, people on welfare, child abuse cases, etc in the decades to come as those millions of unwanted, abused and negleted children grow up.
    I personally will always find a dead fetus far less tragic than an abused, unwanted, unloved, neglected child.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    So those of you who oppose it do you oppose it in all situations? I'm just asking
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    generally speaking, people should just stop fucking like rabbits and have some self control. that would eliminate a large portion of the problem.
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
    ~Ron Burgundy
  • truroute
    truroute Posts: 251
    sonicreducer wrote:
    generally speaking, people should just stop fucking like rabbits and have some self control. that would eliminate a large portion of the problem.


    You arent getting any are you?
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    truroute wrote:
    You arent getting any are you?

    i have a limited amount of self control. i never said i wasn't part of the problem. it's hard not to give in, especially when you think you are being smart. bc and condoms,...

    there are obviously many variables leading up to the choices people make. but i know that the majority of the decisions are probably ones like mine(hypothetically), preventable.
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
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  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,825
    dangerboy wrote:
    don't get pregnant in the first place. or take the heat if you do. you knew going in there were risks. there are no foolproof birth control methods.

    and it's not "her" body, it's the body of a seperate being, fully developed or not...



    damn, i can't believe i'm in another one of these....these discussions never lead anywhere. nobody is truly looking to understand the other side.


    I'm with this guy. People talk about CHOICE. You make the CHOICE when you willfully allow the peg to fit into the hole. There isn't a woman on this planet that is able to conceive that doesn't understand the potential responsibility (pregnancy) ahead of her.

    It's that simple. like this guy said, no birth control method is 100% guaranteed. You take a risk when you have sex. If you get pregnant, there should be no OOPS! Abortion! You made a mistake, but should have understood the consequences of your actions.

    No one gives you your money back if you lose it in the stock market. If you understood the risks and potential negative consequences beforehand, you might reconsider before you do certain things.

    Do whatever else you want with YOUR body. Don't hurt the living being inside. That's someone else.

    Back to the original post, it's kind of odd how one is legal, and the other isn't. I'm against both myself. Here's what's even worse about it:

    Death Penalty: Taking the life of someone who probably deserves it. This isn't 100% accepted in our country. Every state has different laws on it.

    Abortion: Taking the life of someone who has never done ANYTHING wrong. And it's legal everywhere in this country.

    All in all, take responsibility before anything you do.
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    I don't think abortions should be banned because of situations like rape and incest. I do, however, think there should be better laws on it, like limiting the number a woman can get. Like for the person who knew a person who knew a person who had SIX(!!!!!) that shit should NOT be legal.
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I don't think abortions should be banned because of situations like rape and incest. I do, however, think there should be better laws on it, like limiting the number a woman can get. Like for the person who knew a person who knew a person who had SIX(!!!!!) that shit should NOT be legal.


    finding a happy medium is pretty tough when this country is, in majority, far left or far right. though, i do agree mostly.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    sonicreducer wrote:
    finding a happy medium is pretty tough when this country is, in majority, far left or far right. though, i do agree mostly.


    I've noticed that too. It seems like it's "My way or nothing at all".

    We all gotta be willing to compromise. (Did I spell that right?)
  • giventofaith
    giventofaith Posts: 12
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I do, however, think there should be better laws on it, like limiting the number a woman can get. Like for the person who knew a person who knew a person who had SIX(!!!!!) that shit should NOT be legal.
    While I agree that this is totally not good. My question is ... would we (society) be better off if this very messed up woman have had 6 unwanted children? At the very least they would have to live thier lives with an incredible irresponsible mother. I don't even want to think about the worst.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    sonicreducer wrote:
    finding a happy medium is pretty tough when this country is, in majority, far left or far right. though, i do agree mostly.

    I don't think the country is so far apart - the fact that the power is so far right, has the country leaning as far away as they can to keep us from tipping over.
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    I have a question for the pro-life Christians:

    What does it matter what a mother does to her unborn child? As long as it is done in the first trimester, what does it matter? We know for a fact, it won't feel it, it does not have a fully developed central nervous system. What does it matter to you or anyone else? It is still a fetus, NOT a person. It has not felt, it has not lived. It has no family, it has no friends, it's made no difference in peoples' lives. What does it matter to you or anyone other than the mother? Negatively, the child could grow up alone, abandoned, malnourished and unloved. This child could grow up in a harsh world. It could contribute to the HUGE HUGE problem of overpopulation and burden on our society and the environment. The last thing this world needs is for people to start crusading for the potential of more. Where does your moral superiority get you when our society is crumbling and environment collapsing?

    What does it matter to YOU? Are you really a moral crusader? Are you perfect? Do you fight for the lives of every living creature, even if they're not technically in this world yet? Do you think you will be 'saved' for fighting the pro-life fight? What does it matter to YOU?

    Once you are in this world, and an independent citizen with RIGHTS in this society, then the argument of right to life occurs when you have done something considered 'wrong'. That is a seperate argument. The dependent fetus, created within a woman and part of said woman is a completely different scenario.

    So, what does it matter to you I ask?
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    I have a question for the pro-life Christians:

    What does it matter what a mother does to her unborn child? As long as it is done in the first trimester, what does it matter? We know for a fact, it won't feel it, it does not have a fully developed central nervous system. What does it matter to you or anyone else? It is still a fetus, NOT a person. It has not felt, it has not lived. It has no family, it has no friends, it's made no difference in peoples' lives. What does it matter to you or anyone other than the mother? Negatively, the child could grow up alone, abandoned, malnourished and unloved. This child could grow up in a harsh world. It could contribute to the HUGE HUGE problem of overpopulation and burden on our society and the environment. The last thing this world needs is for people to start crusading for the potential of more. Where does your moral superiority get you when our society is crumbling and environment collapsing?

    What does it matter to YOU? Are you really a moral crusader? Are you perfect? Do you fight for the lives of every living creature, even if they're not technically in this world yet? Do you think you will be 'saved' for fighting the pro-life fight? What does it matter to YOU?

    Once you are in this world, and an independent citizen with RIGHTS in this society, then the argument of right to life occurs when you have done something considered 'wrong'. That is a seperate argument. The dependent fetus, created within a woman and part of said woman is a completely different scenario.

    So, what does it matter to you I ask?


    People are still going to debate what is a human life and what isn't.

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