How is abortion morally ethical.....

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

good for you. but that still leaves a lot of babies that no one is willing to adopt.

I'll take a wife like Gabrielle Union as well.

not4u

"my body nobody's body but mine, you run your own body let me run mine"

its between the carrier and god, NOT US.

ohohoh i got a joke

Whats the difference between the death penalty and abortion???
.......Breathing.

miller8966

IMO it all has to do with consequences...you fucked up and now dont want to have a baby so you decide to have an abortion...its pretty much a cure-all to something there shouldnt be a cure- all too. Its illogical.

RainDog

miller8966 wrote:

IMO it all has to do with consequences...you fucked up and now dont want to have a baby so you decide to have an abortion...its pretty much a cure-all to something there shouldnt be a cure- all too. Its illogical.

Illogical? Say what you want about abortion, but if you're pregnant and don't want to be pregnant anymore, abortion makes you...well, not pregnant anymore. Sounds pretty logical to me.

Besides, a woman gets pregnant by fucking, not fucking up. While not mutually exclusive, they certainly aren't equivalent.

not4u

RainDog wrote:

woman gets pregnant by fucking, not fucking up. While not mutually exclusive, they certainly aren't equivalent.

nah, in the case of life fucking is worse than fucking up. Having a unplaned premature pregnancy transcends simply 'fucking up'

rigneyclan

truroute wrote:

Since when is it anybody's business?

Dont like abortions?
Dont have one.

Yeah, exactly.

jlew24asu

Jammin909 wrote:

Bahh ethical is subjective. More than anything, Abortion is practical. We have 300 million people in the states- we dont need any unwanted kids being born and growing up neglected by their parents or in some home.

great value on human life you have

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

I think we already have a few thousand kids that no one wants to adopt.

why is there a such a long waiting list to adopt?

decides2dream

hippiemom wrote:

What, did you miss the other 974 threads about this?

apparently.
eh well, one cannot be paying attention to all that now, can they?

JD Sal

miller8966 wrote:

im dead set against abortions...i hope its outlawed soon.

That's fine, but your opinion on abortion has no relevance to what a woman that you don't know chooses to do with her body.

By the way, the current administration is against abortion, embryonic stem cell research and euthanasia, but they support the death penalty?

Seems to me that if one is advocating the "Culture of Life," they should be against all of the above and not just picking and choosing what's convenient.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

What, did you miss the other 974 threads about this?

search feature is over rated. head over to the porch. there are 3 "play the south" threads. its good to strike up fresh conversations about a topic. this is the first abortion discussion thread i have seen. although i admit i only "invaded" MVT section about a month ago. maybe longer, feels like years. as you know, i'm usually 10 against 1 in most threads. your (you're for ashminus) my favorite though :hugs:

hippiemom

jlew24asu wrote:

search feature is over rated. head over to the porch. there are 3 "play the south" threads. its good to strike up fresh conversations about a topic. this is the first abortion discussion thread i have seen. although i admit i only "invaded" MVT section about a month ago. maybe longer, feels like years. as you know, i'm usually 10 against 1 in most threads. your (you're for ashminus) my favorite though :hugs:

Are you seriously telling me that there hasn't been an abortion thread here in A MONTH?!!?!


**thud**

Ok, sorry, gotta dust myself off here ....

That's really hard to believe. I don't think that's ever happened before! Usually you can find three or four of them in the first two or three pages. We've had some real doozies over the years, but it seems to me the best ones get started regarding a particular story, or in response to a more carefully worded opinion. An offhanded statement like the one that started this thread doesn't usually generate much more than smart-ass remarks. We've been over this too many times, you've got to give us a little something to chew on.

:hugs: to you too

dangerboy

Ahnimus wrote:

What's your alternative?

don't get pregnant in the first place. or take the heat if you do. you knew going in there were risks. there are no foolproof birth control methods.

and it's not "her" body, it's the body of a seperate being, fully developed or not...



damn, i can't believe i'm in another one of these....these discussions never lead anywhere. nobody is truly looking to understand the other side.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

Are you seriously telling me that there hasn't been an abortion thread here in A MONTH?!!?!


**thud**

Ok, sorry, gotta dust myself off here ....

That's really hard to believe. I don't think that's ever happened before! Usually you can find three or four of them in the first two or three pages. We've had some real doozies over the years, but it seems to me the best ones get started regarding a particular story, or in response to a more carefully worded opinion. An offhanded statement like the one that started this thread doesn't usually generate much more than smart-ass remarks. We've been over this too many times, you've got to give us a little something to chew on.

:hugs: to you too

nope, havent seen one. I was actually thinking of starting a "abortion discussion" thread because I wanted to share my opinon on the matter as well as see what others think. maybe tonight i'll share, but not tonight, just got back from a long business trip. stay tuned. maybe i'll be on tomorrow. um chances are pretty good fo that.

jlew24asu

dangerboy wrote:

damn, i can't believe i'm in another one of these....these discussions never lead anywhere. nobody is truly looking to understand the other side.

thats what i was worried about.

I definately see both sides but too lazy to get into right now

dangerboy

jlew24asu wrote:

thats what i was worried about.

I definately see both sides but too lazy to get into right now

well, that, and the name calling and shit talking....this topic is famous for that. very emotional topics like this and religion are.....

JD Sal

dangerboy wrote:

don't get pregnant in the first place. or take the heat if you do. you knew going in there were risks. there are no foolproof birth control methods.

and it's not "her" body, it's the body of a seperate being, fully developed or not...



damn, i can't believe i'm in another one of these....these discussions never lead anywhere. nobody is truly looking to understand the other side.

But the seperate being is growing inside of her body.

Hope&Anger

jlew24asu wrote:

nope, havent seen one. I was actually thinking of starting a "abortion discussion" thread because I wanted to share my opinon on the matter as well as see what others think. maybe tonight i'll share, but not tonight, just got back from a long business trip. stay tuned. maybe i'll be on tomorrow. um chances are pretty good fo that.

So let's see if we can rise above the name-calling and have a decent discussion about this.

I was intrigued by the original question, although I was tempted to turn it around. While it is true that people who support abortion rights often oppose the death penalty, the opposite is also true -- people who oppose abortion rights also support the death penalty.

I've seen some anti-abortion posters hung about recently, saying that October is "Respect Life Month." I emailed the organization and asked when they would be hanging flyers opposing the death penalty. The head of the organization wrote me back and told me that while she opposed the death penalty, she didn't think she could find the "manpower" to put together anti-death penalty events.

Turns out that she was working with the Catholic Church -- the same folks who threatened to withhold sacraments from politicians who supported abortion rights. But didn't make similar threats against politicians who supported the death penalty or the Iraq War -- both of which the Vatican opposes. (I'm a Recovering Catholic. I miss the Church I grew up in -- staffed by Franciscans, who are the hippies of the Catholic priesthood. It was easy to be Catholic hanging around with them.)

Anyway, abortion and the death penalty (and the war, I guess) are a peculiar ideological package. And I haven't thought very hard about why, but it's starting to make me wonder . . .

brainofPJ

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

A fetus has no emotion and no ability to speak for itself whereas a criminal can and i feel that a fetus is NOT a baby and thus NOT a human being yet.

well, it is...

human life isn't contingent on emotion or the ability to speak

dangerboy

Hope&Anger wrote:

So let's see if we can rise above the name-calling and have a decent discussion about this.

I was intrigued by the original question, although I was tempted to turn it around. While it is true that people who support abortion rights often oppose the death penalty, the opposite is also true -- people who oppose abortion rights also support the death penalty.

I've seen some anti-abortion posters hung about recently, saying that October is "Respect Life Month." I emailed the organization and asked when they would be hanging flyers opposing the death penalty. The head of the organization wrote me back and told me that while she opposed the death penalty, she didn't think she could find the "manpower" to put together anti-death penalty events.

Turns out that she was working with the Catholic Church -- the same folks who threatened to withhold sacraments from politicians who supported abortion rights. But didn't make similar threats against politicians who supported the death penalty or the Iraq War -- both of which the Vatican opposes. (I'm a Recovering Catholic. I miss the Church I grew up in -- staffed by Franciscans, who are the hippies of the Catholic priesthood. It was easy to be Catholic hanging around with them.)

Anyway, abortion and the death penalty (and the war, I guess) are a peculiar ideological package. And I haven't thought very hard about why, but it's starting to make me wonder . . .

take this for what you will:

the rationalization between abortion and the death penalty is simple, if you understand where the other side is coming from.

death penalty is seen as punishment or consequence for the actions of a person who committed an act with full knowledge of its right and wrong. in other words, the death penalty is for the guilty. people who had a choice in life and did the wrong thing.

those same people who are for the death penalty are against abortion because the life being taken is considered to be innocent. it didn't choose to be conceived, and has not actually done anything to warrant the ending of its life. just the same as the victim of a murder, who had his or her life ended by the choice or actions of another.


those same people feel that those who rationalize that abortion is ok and the death penalty is wrong are basically arguing that the post-conception life is not in fact a life until it walks and talks and breathes and can completely take care of itself. (which, to me, is about 25 for most people ) but, once born, the post-conception life is to be valued no matter what the circumstances.