News flash! Israeli troops re-occupied Gaza about two months after leaving it. They've not left since.
Secondly, I know who you are.
Kat, are you reading this? You may want to check his i.p address. You're the fella who stated that you wished I got cancer and died. You were banned for this. Who dya think you're kidding pal? I could spot you a mile away.
P.s, did you enjoy yourself in the West bank recently? Did you manage to take your anger and frustration out on any Palestinians whilst you were there? Go on, share it with us. You're obviously dying to show us all how tough you are.
ive never posted here. ive read this board but not engaged it because i did not want to get involved in pointless debate with some of morons on here. i found the palestinians i met to be lovely warm people. unlike you i choose to actually educate myself by leaving my little cocoon and seeing the world myself before making a decision. the news media is no place to get educated. i have been to a number of islamic countries and found the conditions in many islamic countries to be deplorable. this has to do with the fact that their barbaric rulers choose not to share their wealth with their own people. is that the jews fault as well? further, there are plenty of arabs (aka palestinians) who live peacefully well within the borders of israel. the only thing the jews want is freedom not to be killed by hate mongers. i presume you object to that otherwise you woudnt be spending as much of your time bashing israel and then denying your an anti-semite.
It's him. I can't remember what his name was then. It was some convoluted name which I think began with an R. I can tell by his aggressive tone that it's him. He also mentioned back then he was gonna be joining the army and spending time in the West bank. He also mentions above that he's been on here for years. So why's he only got 15 posts? I wonder if this was the first time he was banned or if there were previous occasions. If Kat has a record of the post which got me banned when I responded to him by telling him to stick it up his arse then she can check his i.p address. I have a good ear for the tone of someone's writing. If you changed your name and came back on here I'd recognise you. It's him. Simple as that.
wrong guy dude. are you so threatened by a contrary view that you need to go to mommy?
also, if you read UN resolution 242, which Israel accepted immediately, it calls for Israel to withdraw from "territories" it conquered in the 67' war. It specifically does not say "all territories" and interviews with the various delegates to the UN who were involved in crafting the resolution testify to how carefully every word was chosen. They specifically speak about how the resolution was meant to recognize the ADMISABILITY for the purposes of security of territory conquered in a defensive war. Nothing is simple here. If Israel withdrew to the 67' border tomorrow I guarantee that the next day there would be rockets flying out of the West Bank at Israel. You write that Israel reinvaded Gaza two months after they withdrew from Gaza. They actually waited a year to reinvade, and did so only after a year of unceasing rocket attacks and the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier from inside Israel. By simplifying a complicated situation you only make things worse. Open your eyes or shut your mouth.
also calls for the warring sides to recognize israels right to exist. egypt did this, and guess what they got, their land back. syria still does not, and guess what, they dont have their land back. why? they did not comply with 242. sorry to confuse you with more actual fact. hamas, the party in powere in gaza, does not recognize israels right to exist. so, how is it they are in compliance with 242 or international law? they are not. that is why even the europeans have shut down Hamas. why aren't you blaming the europeans? ah yes, because byrnzie is one. or at least living there on a visa is my guess.
Where they are told everyday where and when they can go.....
Where many live on a diet comparable to less-wealthy African nations...
Where they can't leave b/c Israel refuses to give passports at its discretion....
Where they have been living in glorified refugee camps since Israel's formation...
Where they see even private Palestinian land taken and built upon.....
Where they are constantly reminded of Camp David and how THEY are responsible for this intractable affair (even though Camp David would have seen Palestinain areas cut up into hundreds of parcels of land and divided by Israeli-controlled roads which they would not be able to cross).
If and when Israel pulls back to the internationally recognised 1967 borders then I'll pay more attention to the other side of the coin if attacks against Israeli's continue. But until then I will continue to sing out the real criminal in this situation.
Well, this was an interesting thread. I'm not sure where to come back into it, so I'll just leave it alone.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Where they are told everyday where and when they can go.....
Where many live on a diet comparable to less-wealthy African nations...
Where they can't leave b/c Israel refuses to give passports at its discretion....
Where they have been living in glorified refugee camps since Israel's formation...
Where they see even private Palestinian land taken and built upon.....
Where they are constantly reminded of Camp David and how THEY are responsible for this intractable affair (even though Camp David would have seen Palestinain areas cut up into hundreds of parcels of land and divided by Israeli-controlled roads which they would not be able to cross).
Not forgetting to mention that they are discrimated against when it comes to land. Most of the land (over 90%) is controlled by two 'organisations' (for lack of better word) and in most cases this land is available only for Jewish development and purchase (ie not for 'arabs' or 'Druze'). On top of that, many ethnic Palestinian villages have not been officially recognized by the Israeli government, and therefore they do not get the basic services provided by the government for a similar jewish village, running water, electricity and schools.
Also, Israeli Palestinians who marry Palestinians from the occupied are not able to legally live with their spouse in Israel.
But hey... besides that and more... they live in peace and harmony....... :rolleyes:
The U.N has not placed any conditions on Israel withdrawing to the 1967 borders. Israel has simply been instructed to comply with international law and pull back to the 1967 borders. Stop trying to muddy the water by making excuses for the occupation with talk of Jordan having started it. It's a bit pathetic.
And as far as the answer to your question as to where my understanding comes from, Angelica was right to say that it simply comes down to perception. It is, unconveniently for you i expect, just as simple as that. The situation in the Middle East isn't as complicated and mysterious as people like yourself often attempt to portray it. The truth of the situation is there for all to see.
But this Byrnize guy who claims to know me has started no less than 20 anti-israel threads on this board. Much of which is filled with hateful garbage. And he thinks I was banned. Funny. To the credit of the mods here they allow free speech even if it is so blatantly filled with hate.
which is deplorable. also the discrimination is not legally enshrined. they are legally equal citizens of the state. discrimination is social in nature. which is not to say that it isn't a bad thing.
Where they are told everyday where and when they can go.....
Where many live on a diet comparable to less-wealthy African nations...
Where they can't leave b/c Israel refuses to give passports at its discretion....
Where they have been living in glorified refugee camps since Israel's formation...
Where they see even private Palestinian land taken and built upon.....
Where they are constantly reminded of Camp David and how THEY are responsible for this intractable affair (even though Camp David would have seen Palestinain areas cut up into hundreds of parcels of land and divided by Israeli-controlled roads which they would not be able to cross).
You are confusing Palestinians living in Israel (aka Israeli Arabs) which is what is under discussion, with those living in the occupied territories. and some of your info is shoddy.
You are confusing Palestinians living in Israel (aka Israeli Arabs) which is what is under discussion, with those living in the occupied territories. and some of your info is shoddy.
I wasn't limiting my comments to that group of people. And what in particular do you find shoddy ?
which is deplorable. also the discrimination is not legally enshrined. they are legally equal citizens of the state. discrimination is social in nature. which is not to say that it isn't a bad thing.
Not just social, but also 'official' discrimination. They are not equal citizens. The examples in my post are 'real' examples. The villages not being recognized, the land not being for them to purchase, not being able to bring palestinian spouses (from outside israel) to live in israel... etc. Any other citizen of Israel have those rights. There are many more 'official' acts of discrimation. Social discimination is rampant (and I will say - so as not to be treated as nazi) that discrimination exists all over but it is very strongly felt by arabs in Israel and it is very difficult for them there.
Not just social, but also 'official' discrimination. They are not equal citizens. The examples in my post are 'real' examples. The villages not being recognized, the land not being for them to purchase, not being able to bring palestinian spouses (from outside israel) to live in israel... etc. Any other citizen of Israel have those rights. There are many more 'official' acts of discrimation. Social discimination is rampant (and I will say - so as not to be treated as nazi) that discrimination exists all over but it is very strongly felt by arabs in Israel and it is very difficult for them there.
Palestinians do the same exact things to israelis. Their just as prejudice if not more so.
Palestinians do the same exact things to israelis. Their just as prejudice if not more so.
In Israel???? Be real.. palestinians are an ethnic minority. I won't deny there is prejudice but discrimination??? Nope. Read my post... we're talking 'formal' and 'approved' discrimination.
The op-ed you posted made no metion of continued Palestinian violence, nor the active support of it from many of the groups mentioned.
Furthermore, it made absolutely no mention of those states rejecting that very same "obvious solution" in 1947.
In short, the post read like a call to arms. A call to arms is not and cannot be a call for peace.
Just as if you read any report of world war 2, for example, you'll probably find no criticism of the French resistance or any criticism of the partisans across Europe.
And there is a reason for this.
Think about it and see if you can think why..
I wont justify any more of your stupidity with a response. It is clear you don't read, don't travel and are probably of limited education. By the way, wathcing the television is not education fyi
ive never posted here. ive read this board but not engaged it because i did not want to get involved in pointless debate with some of morons on here. i found the palestinians i met to be lovely warm people. unlike you i choose to actually educate myself by leaving my little cocoon and seeing the world myself before making a decision. the news media is no place to get educated. i have been to a number of islamic countries and found the conditions in many islamic countries to be deplorable. this has to do with the fact that their barbaric rulers choose not to share their wealth with their own people. is that the jews fault as well? further, there are plenty of arabs (aka palestinians) who live peacefully well within the borders of israel. the only thing the jews want is freedom not to be killed by hate mongers. i presume you object to that otherwise you woudnt be spending as much of your time bashing israel and then denying your an anti-semite.
I don't believe a word you say.
I can smell bullshit from a mile away. Nothing you've said has any merit whatsoever. You must think that people on this message board are idiots. Maybe you're mistaking the Pearl Jam message board for the Pop Idol winners message board?
But this Byrnize guy who claims to know me has started no less than 20 anti-israel threads on this board. Much of which is filled with hateful garbage.
To the credit of the mods here they allow free speech even if it is so blatantly filled with hate.
Please provide just one example of 'hateful garbage' that I have posted.
ive never posted here. ive read this board but not engaged it because i did not want to get involved in pointless debate with some of morons on here. i found the palestinians i met to be lovely warm people. unlike you i choose to actually educate myself by leaving my little cocoon and seeing the world myself before making a decision. the news media is no place to get educated. i have been to a number of islamic countries and found the conditions in many islamic countries to be deplorable. this has to do with the fact that their barbaric rulers choose not to share their wealth with their own people. is that the jews fault as well? further, there are plenty of arabs (aka palestinians) who live peacefully well within the borders of israel. the only thing the jews want is freedom not to be killed by hate mongers. i presume you object to that otherwise you woudnt be spending as much of your time bashing israel and then denying your an anti-semite.
This one post speaks volumes about you. It says NOTHING about the subject at hand though. You pretned to be a well travelled man of the world, open to the culture of the Arabs, and yet in the next breath you pretend that your limited experience of their culture entitles you to dismiss them out of hand. You are as transparent as a window pal. Who do you think you're kidding with your racist crap?
You are confusing Palestinians living in Israel (aka Israeli Arabs) which is what is under discussion, with those living in the occupied territories. and some of your info is shoddy.
Do you realise Dayan, that every Palestinian and Every jew who is killed as a result of this ongoing occupation and continuing land grab, is killed as a result of people like you and your bigotry?
I don't believe a word you say.
I can smell bullshit from a mile away. Nothing you've said has any merit whatsoever. You must think that people on this message board are idiots. Maybe you're mistaking the Pearl Jam message board for the Pop Idol winners message board?
there are a handful of idiots of this board. aka people who don't read and speak out of their lower half.
there are a handful of idiots of this board. aka people who don't read and speak out of their lower half.
That was a short, yet accurate autobiography
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Please provide just one example of 'hateful garbage' that I have posted.
You have spent your free time starting, not just contributing to, but starting no less than 18 anti israel threads. you have participated in even more. just search your own name and look at threads started. actions speak louder than words sleeper cell. as for your challenge to meet you in London, what are you proposing? Sounds like a threat. Whats the matter, did i touch a nerve? Im only here to share thoughts and ideas. That's the point of the board. But if you'd like to share a cup of tea, let me know what mosque you belong to and i'd enjoy a chat. By the way, have you actually been to the middle east? if so, where?
You have spent your free time starting, not just contributing to, but starting no less than 18 anti israel threads. you have participated in even more. just search your own name and look at threads started. actions speak louder than words sleeper cell. as for your challenge to meet you in London, what are you proposing? Sounds like a threat. Whats the matter, did i touch a nerve? Im only here to share thoughts and ideas. That's the point of the board. But if you'd like to share a cup of tea, let me know what mosque you belong to and i'd enjoy a chat. By the way, have you actually been to the middle east? if so, where?
I knew you were searching the forum for "Israel"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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ive never posted here. ive read this board but not engaged it because i did not want to get involved in pointless debate with some of morons on here. i found the palestinians i met to be lovely warm people. unlike you i choose to actually educate myself by leaving my little cocoon and seeing the world myself before making a decision. the news media is no place to get educated. i have been to a number of islamic countries and found the conditions in many islamic countries to be deplorable. this has to do with the fact that their barbaric rulers choose not to share their wealth with their own people. is that the jews fault as well? further, there are plenty of arabs (aka palestinians) who live peacefully well within the borders of israel. the only thing the jews want is freedom not to be killed by hate mongers. i presume you object to that otherwise you woudnt be spending as much of your time bashing israel and then denying your an anti-semite.
wrong guy dude. are you so threatened by a contrary view that you need to go to mommy?
It seems that's what this board is about lately.
... where they suffer severe discrimination.....
Where they are told everyday where and when they can go.....
Where many live on a diet comparable to less-wealthy African nations...
Where they can't leave b/c Israel refuses to give passports at its discretion....
Where they have been living in glorified refugee camps since Israel's formation...
Where they see even private Palestinian land taken and built upon.....
Where they are constantly reminded of Camp David and how THEY are responsible for this intractable affair (even though Camp David would have seen Palestinain areas cut up into hundreds of parcels of land and divided by Israeli-controlled roads which they would not be able to cross).
me 2...lests rally against the palestinans!
Not forgetting to mention that they are discrimated against when it comes to land. Most of the land (over 90%) is controlled by two 'organisations' (for lack of better word) and in most cases this land is available only for Jewish development and purchase (ie not for 'arabs' or 'Druze'). On top of that, many ethnic Palestinian villages have not been officially recognized by the Israeli government, and therefore they do not get the basic services provided by the government for a similar jewish village, running water, electricity and schools.
Also, Israeli Palestinians who marry Palestinians from the occupied are not able to legally live with their spouse in Israel.
But hey... besides that and more... they live in peace and harmony....... :rolleyes:
They only allow free speech with a liberal slant...dont be fooled.
which is deplorable. also the discrimination is not legally enshrined. they are legally equal citizens of the state. discrimination is social in nature. which is not to say that it isn't a bad thing.
You are confusing Palestinians living in Israel (aka Israeli Arabs) which is what is under discussion, with those living in the occupied territories. and some of your info is shoddy.
I wasn't limiting my comments to that group of people. And what in particular do you find shoddy ?
Not just social, but also 'official' discrimination. They are not equal citizens. The examples in my post are 'real' examples. The villages not being recognized, the land not being for them to purchase, not being able to bring palestinian spouses (from outside israel) to live in israel... etc. Any other citizen of Israel have those rights. There are many more 'official' acts of discrimation. Social discimination is rampant (and I will say - so as not to be treated as nazi) that discrimination exists all over but it is very strongly felt by arabs in Israel and it is very difficult for them there.
Palestinians do the same exact things to israelis. Their just as prejudice if not more so.
In Israel???? Be real.. palestinians are an ethnic minority. I won't deny there is prejudice but discrimination??? Nope. Read my post... we're talking 'formal' and 'approved' discrimination.
Just as if you read any report of world war 2, for example, you'll probably find no criticism of the French resistance or any criticism of the partisans across Europe.
And there is a reason for this.
Think about it and see if you can think why..
Well done! Very impressive.
I don't believe a word you say.
I can smell bullshit from a mile away. Nothing you've said has any merit whatsoever. You must think that people on this message board are idiots. Maybe you're mistaking the Pearl Jam message board for the Pop Idol winners message board?
I would love to meet you face to face. PLEASE let me know when you're next in London. I would love to see how brave you are in the flesh.
Please provide just one example of 'hateful garbage' that I have posted.
This one post speaks volumes about you. It says NOTHING about the subject at hand though. You pretned to be a well travelled man of the world, open to the culture of the Arabs, and yet in the next breath you pretend that your limited experience of their culture entitles you to dismiss them out of hand. You are as transparent as a window pal. Who do you think you're kidding with your racist crap?
Do you realise that the nazis said the same thing about the jews and the resistance movements across Europe during world war 2?
You have brought nothing to the table pal.
Try harder!
Do you realise Dayan, that every Palestinian and Every jew who is killed as a result of this ongoing occupation and continuing land grab, is killed as a result of people like you and your bigotry?
That was a short, yet accurate autobiography
I knew you were searching the forum for "Israel"