I'd also like to add that I think the ancient doctrine of the Pharisees has drastically damaged the Jewish image. Preaching that it's ok to murder gentiles, or it's ok to steal from a gentile, but should not from a Jew. Usury, the Rothschilds, the whole monetary control of the world! That's what's damaging to the Jewish image, that's why this crap happens.
The Holocaust was not just Hitler's uncaused hate for Jews, he hated Jews because of their control of the European monetary system, perhaps his father was a painter that became impoverished to a Jewish banker, that is the basis for Hitler's motivation. Although he was also fucked in the head.
The point is, take some responsibility. Label me an anti-semite all you want, it doesn't change history or the future. Jewish people have to take some accountability for what has happened and is happening. If you ignore the Jewish role in the Holocaust, then you fail to explain why the Holocaust happened. I don't think it was right, it was all fucked up and Hitler was a psychotic maniac, but he was motivated by something powerful and it was monetary control.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
At this point probably a majority of the world's Jews do not practice the Jewish religion, but a great many of these people still consider themselves to be a part of the Jewish people. They percieve their Jewishness to be a central aspect of their identity. It's funny that you talk about Arabs. There is no "Arab" nation. There is a Palestinian nation and an Egyptian nation etc. These nations are all made up of Arabs but what differentiates them is the perceptions of each nation that they are distinct and unique. The Jewish nation is no different.
At this point probably a majority of the world's Jews do not practice the Jewish religion, but a great many of these people still consider themselves to be a part of the Jewish people. They percieve their Jewishness to be a central aspect of their identity. It's funny that you talk about Arabs. There is no "Arab" nation. There is a Palestinian nation and an Egyptian nation etc. These nations are all made up of Arabs but what differentiates them is the perceptions of each nation that they are distinct and unique. The Jewish nation is no different.
Exactly, nationalism is the differentiation. Without nationalism, there would be no Zion. Jews would be living happily throughout the nations of the world. Zionism was diseased idea that was sold to the Jews without considering the consequences.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'd also like to add that I think the ancient doctrine of the Pharisees has drastically damaged the Jewish image. Preaching that it's ok to murder gentiles, or it's ok to steal from a gentile, but should not from a Jew. Usury, the Rothschilds, the whole monetary control of the world! That's what's damaging to the Jewish image, that's why this crap happens.
The Holocaust was not just Hitler's uncaused hate for Jews, he hated Jews because of their control of the European monetary system, perhaps his father was a painter that became impoverished to a Jewish banker, that is the basis for Hitler's motivation. Although he was also fucked in the head.
The point is, take some responsibility. Label me an anti-semite all you want, it doesn't change history or the future. Jewish people have to take some accountability for what has happened and is happening. If you ignore the Jewish role in the Holocaust, then you fail to explain why the Holocaust happened. I don't think it was right, it was all fucked up and Hitler was a psychotic maniac, but he was motivated by something powerful and it was monetary control.
I don't know where you got the idea that the Pharisees thought that it was ok to murder non-Jews. That is definitely not true. As for the Jews controlling Europe's financial system, again I think you're wrong. There were wealthy Jews in Europe certainly. But the belief that the Jews controlled the system is the bastard creation of a paranoid mind. Hitler certainly believed that he had legitimate reasons for hating the Jews, but to say that he was right in his accusations is quite frankly absurd, alarming, hurtful, paranoid in itself. I mean, that's basically like saying that slave owners were certainly crazy but we have to understand that compared to Europeans Africans really were inferior and less human. I mean it's a terrible thing to say.
Exactly, nationalism is the differentiation. Without nationalism, there would be no Zion. Jews would be living happily throughout the nations of the world. Zionism was diseased idea that was sold to the Jews without considering the consequences.
Ok, you can believe this also, but again I disagree. Before Zionism Jews were being butchered all over Europe. And the people doing the butchering weren't driven to do it by nationalism either. Nationalism can certainly be used for evil purposes, but that is true of most things. In and of itself it certainly is not a bad thing.
I don't know where you got the idea that the Pharisees thought that it was ok to murder non-Jews. That is definitely not true. As for the Jews controlling Europe's financial system, again I think you're wrong. There were wealthy Jews in Europe certainly. But the belief that the Jews controlled the system is the bastard creation of a paranoid mind. Hitler certainly believed that he had legitimate reasons for hating the Jews, but to say that he was right in his accusations is quite frankly absurd, alarming, hurtful, paranoid in itself. I mean, that's basically like saying that slave owners were certainly crazy but we have to understand that compared to Europeans Africans really were inferior and less human. I mean it's a terrible thing to say.
If you read up on the history of Usury, it started with Jews and was kept somewhat of a Jewish secret. Jews swiftly took control of large pieces of land and massive wealths. I didn't get that from Hitler propaganda, I got that on the recorded history of economics.
The teachings of the Pharisees I got directly from the Talmud. I read a large portion and was disgusted by the amount of hate for Goyyim portrayed in it. Absolutely disgusted.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, you can believe this also, but again I disagree. Before Zionism Jews were being butchered all over Europe. And the people doing the butchering weren't driven to do it by nationalism either. Nationalism can certainly be used for evil purposes, but that is true of most things. In and of itself it certainly is not a bad thing.
So, you are suggesting that one look at a Jew causes a Goy to have bloodlust? That gentiles just go into a fit of rage and lack of self-control when they are the presence of a Jew? That is hilarious. How would they even know? I can't spot a Jew if he was my best friend.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you read aramaic? did you study the talmud with someone with any expertise in it? cause it takes years of study to even begin to get a handle on the talmud and the entire thing is entirely self-referential and pre-supposes that the reader has a lot of prior knowledge, so I seriously doubt that you could have understood what it was talking about or the context in which it makes its statements. As for usury, the word has a distinctly negative Christian conotation often associated with classical Christian anti-semitism. Lending with interest, which is what usury boils down to, is, I would point out, a principle underpinning of modern economics, and if you have a problem with that then please take that out on your nearest economics department instead of on the Jewish people.
So, you are suggesting that one look at a Jew causes a Goy to have bloodlust? That gentiles just go into a fit of rage and lack of self-control when they are the presence of a Jew? That is hilarious. How would they even know? I can't spot a Jew if he was my best friend.
I didn't suggest any such thing. Are you really unaware of the history of the Jews in Europe? Pogroms, blood libels, forced conversions, expulsions, massacres of entire communities during the crusades, abductions of Jewish babies for conversion, ghettoization, segregation, all of which preceded the holocaust.
Do you read aramaic? did you study the talmud with someone with any expertise in it? cause it takes years of study to even begin to get a handle on the talmud and the entire thing is entirely self-referential and pre-supposes that the reader has a lot of prior knowledge, so I seriously doubt that you could have understood what it was talking about or the context in which it makes its statements. As for usury, the word has a distinctly negative Christian conotation often associated with classical Christian anti-semitism. Lending with interest, which is what usury boils down to, is, I would point out, a principle underpinning of modern economics, and if you have a problem with that then please take that out on your nearest economics department instead of on the Jewish people.
It's all translated into plain english several places on the web.
Usury was a Jewish secret for ages, it was first discovered by some Arab nation that incorporated it into the Sharia Law, banning it, and it's still banned today.
Yes, it is part of standard economics, and I don't have a problem with it. The problem was as it were in the past. It all relates to the past, sadly. I would prefer to leave the past alone, but it keeps being rehashed by both Jews and Arabs.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I didn't suggest any such thing. Are you really unaware of the history of the Jews in Europe? Pogroms, blood libels, forced conversions, expulsions, massacres of entire communities during the crusades, abductions of Jewish babies for conversion, ghettoization, segregation, all of which preceded the holocaust.
Why did all of that happen? Why were Jews labeled in such away to provoke that kind of horror?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I could give all sorts of reasons, but none of them would be because of anything we did to deserve that treatment.
Ok, perhaps this is an emotional thing for you and I'm not qualified to really ask these kinds of questions.
I'm not trying to suggest that anyone deserves to be tortured or killed. I don't even think their is a legitimate excuse for hitting anyone. I don't condone violence at all.
However, speaking realistically, people do not act without a motivation. Something motivated them to commit these horrors. I'm just trying to identify with you what that is. My current theory for the holocaust is related in large part to the monetary control. I'm not going as far as to say that those who control the money control the world, or that they are all satan worshipers plotting to enslave us all. I'm not Alex Jones. Perhaps in Hitler's mind that was all true, his propaganda was geared to make the Rothschilds as such. They linked the Rothschilds to Judaism and pointed the finger at all Jews. That is the basis on which the Nazi Party gained the support of much of the German people. Some Germans may not have been aware of the death camps, but they knew that Jews had to wear certain marks and were in oppression in general. It was accepted because of Hitler's brilliant mind fuck. But, he still had a motivation.
My current theory for the general discrimination against Jews is related to world history, including overall wealth and religion. Zionism was the completely wrong thing to do. Essentially it was like walking into a trap. Not all, but a lot of Jews now reside in one tiny little country. It's fortunate that Israel has been taken under the wing of the Unites States, or else it wouldn't have much support on the world stage. In some ways I sympathize with Israelis, in other ways I see where they are wrong. Everyone must admit that they are wrong, because at times they have been, everyone. Munich was wrong as another example.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Sorry to disapoint you but a country which is in breach of over 60 U.N resolutions and which continues to illegally occupy another country's land is by any estimation a terrorist state.
THIS AHNIMUS GUY HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO ESPOUSE HIS ANTI ISRAEL CRAP ON HERE FOR YEARS. LURES OUT ALL THE JEW HATERS MASQUERADING AS PRO PALESTINIAN. MOST OF THOSE WHO ESPOUSE THOSE VIEWS EITHER NEVER TOOK HISTORY OR JUST CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT....
Ok, perhaps this is an emotional thing for you and I'm not qualified to really ask these kinds of questions.
I'm not trying to suggest that anyone deserves to be tortured or killed. I don't even think their is a legitimate excuse for hitting anyone. I don't condone violence at all.
However, speaking realistically, people do not act without a motivation. Something motivated them to commit these horrors. I'm just trying to identify with you what that is. My current theory for the holocaust is related in large part to the monetary control. I'm not going as far as to say that those who control the money control the world, or that they are all satan worshipers plotting to enslave us all. I'm not Alex Jones. Perhaps in Hitler's mind that was all true, his propaganda was geared to make the Rothschilds as such. They linked the Rothschilds to Judaism and pointed the finger at all Jews. That is the basis on which the Nazi Party gained the support of much of the German people. Some Germans may not have been aware of the death camps, but they knew that Jews had to wear certain marks and were in oppression in general. It was accepted because of Hitler's brilliant mind fuck. But, he still had a motivation.
My current theory for the general discrimination against Jews is related to world history, including overall wealth and religion. Zionism was the completely wrong thing to do. Essentially it was like walking into a trap. Not all, but a lot of Jews now reside in one tiny little country. It's fortunate that Israel has been taken under the wing of the Unites States, or else it wouldn't have much support on the world stage. In some ways I sympathize with Israelis, in other ways I see where they are wrong. Everyone must admit that they are wrong, because at times they have been, everyone. Munich was wrong as another example.
im surprised your not in tehran this week. lots of people with like minds as yours their right now....
Sorry to disapoint you but a country which is in breach of over 60 U.N resolutions and which continues to illegally occupy another country's land is by any estimation a terrorist state.
can you support this view with any real history? please post a link of a map that at any time shows a nation state of palestine ever....cant find one? because it never existed. the land, genius, before becoming israel was part of the british mandate. before that the land was occupied by the turks for hundreds of years, before that the persians, then the greeks, the romans, and originally.....the jews. there could have been a state called palestine in 1948. but the arabs fucked it up not only for themselves but for their brother palestinians. after they lost the 48 war jordan ane egypt occupied land designated for the palestinians by the UN. Egypt in Gaza and Jordan in the west bank. ONLY when the fascist nasser threatened a new holcaust of jews in 67 did israel occupy gaza and the west bank and have been trying to give it back since in exchange for one thing....peace. read before speaking monkey boy
Give me a break... the borders of every single country in the world are a result of conflict and a resolution. There will always be an argument of who came first, but the past 50 years have proven that Isreal is permanent and isn't going anywhere.
The arabs have attempted four wars against them and lost all of them miserably. This is all about lost pride hurt egos. 350 million arabs can't understand why they can't defeat 7 million Jews, and it eats at them and forms the basis of all the hatred going on over there. Whenever they decide to get over it, then we can move forward...
So you two both believe that the Palestinians and Israelis are on an equal footing?
As far as not being able to see the whole picture, I can see it perfectly. Israel is a wealthy country that the U.S supplies with $4 Billion in aid every year along with state of the art military equipment, including F16 fighter jets and bulldozers designed to destroy the homes of Palestinians.
This compared with:
Roadmap to Poverty
16 May 2003
By Louise Richards, chief executive War on Want
There is a place where UN agencies estimate that over half the population are living on less than $2 per day. Where over 1.3 million people are dependent on foreign aid to survive. Where chronic and acute malnutrition is widespread among children under five years of age and is increasing rapidly. Where the World Health Organisation has described the situation as "hidden hunger".
And where is this place? A forgotten corner of Sub-Saharan Africa? No, this is the illegally occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip where 3.5 million Palestinians are mired in poverty that rarely makes British TV screens, let alone the living rooms of Israeli families.
As Peter Hansen, Commissioner General of the UN Relief and Works Agency, the largest aid organisation working in the territories, recently put it: “No drought has hit Gaza and the West Bank, no crops have failed and the shops are often full of food. But the failure of the peace process and the destruction of the economy by Israel's closure policy have had the effect of a terrible natural disaster.”
This week development charity War on Want launches a survey of the levels and causes of poverty in the Occupied Palestinian Territories that, if left unchecked, will blight a generation of young Palestinians as a result of creeping malnutrition.
The mental and physical development of a generation of Palestinian children is at stake. A study funded by the United States Agency for International Development found that four out of five children in Gaza and the West Bank have inadequate iron and zinc intake. These deficiencies cause anaemia and weaken the immune system.
Through close liaison with Palestinian project partners and a sweep through a vast body of information sources, War on Want argues that the appalling levels of poverty in Gaza and the West Bank can be laid squarely at the door of Israel’s continued occupation and colonisation of Palestinian land. In short, this is the story of a nation of people under house arrest.
Of course, TV footage rarely captures the incremental collapse of a society and economy that has witnessed the steady erosion of human and workers’ rights dating back 36 years since Israel’s occupation began in 1967.
In the UK, we are sadly accustomed to watching disjointed scenes of killing on Israeli soil where foreign media are free to film the carnage wreaked by suicide bombers. But is there sufficient coverage of Israeli operations inside the occupied territories where the media is often unable to roam?
Some journalists have taken huge risks trying to achieve a semblance of balance by filming the plight of everyday Palestinian families. Some have even paid the blood price such as British freelance cameraman James Miller who was shot dead in May by the Israeli army in the town of Rafah.
But the pendulum of killing that has come to characterise loss of life should be understood in a more historical context. As 26 Israelis and Palestinians were added to the death toll last week, the report details how the machinery of occupation has constricted the Palestinian people over a period of decades.
Poverty flows from an occupation characterised by curfews, checkpoints and closures. The denial of freedom of movement for Palestinians has made any semblance of normal life impossible. Collective punishment of this kind means people are unable to get to work, school or even hospital while the arbitrary and random nature of curfews is designed to make it impossible for people and civil institutions to make any plans.
There are over 120 Israeli checkpoints in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, which when added to roadblocks, divide the West Bank into 300 enclaves and the Gaza Strip into three separate sections.
Being unable to move freely has had enormous repercussions for employment and income. The report cites one estimate putting unemployment at 67% in the Gaza Strip and 48% in the West Bank. Until September 2000, about 70,000 Palestinians living in Gaza went to work in Israel. Today, only a couple of thousand workers are given a day permits to enter Israel and even those allowed to cross over are at mercy of checkpoint commanders and sporadic curfews.
As a result of the occupation, income losses stand at between $6 million and $8.6 million per day – far exceeding the total aid provided by the international community in attempt to fill the void. In addition, the Palestinian Authority has struggled to pay salaries to its 125,000 employees due in large part to the withholding of tax revenues owed to it by Israel. While payments are not being made, the IMF estimated total monies owed at $600 million in August 2002.
The threat of home demolition and the destruction of Palestinian property is also a driver of poverty in the Occupied Territories. During the first 15 months of the Intifada, physical damage amounted to $305 million and in the month-long invasion of the West Bank in March/April 2002, the Israeli Army destroyed and looted $361 million worth of property.
House demolition was a deliberate Israeli policy long before the current Intifada, but it has increased dramatically as Israel pursues its illegal practice of collective punishment. During 2002, in the Gaza Strip, 655 houses have been demolished in which 5,124 Palestinians lived.
Meanwhile, across the territories, 30 mosques and 12 churches were destroyed between September 2000 and February 2002, and 13,340 acres of Palestinian land has been bulldozed or burned according Israeli press reports earlier this year.
And while Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, talks up peace, his government literally ploughs ahead with the so-called Security Wall currently under construction in the West Bank.
Costing £1million per mile of fence and swallowing great swathes of Palestinian land, it is difficult to square with the parallel process for peace. It was left to an Israeli settler quoted in a major Israeli newspaper to sum up the situation and the wall. Describing himself as “very right wing” he said: “It’s an economic death sentence for the Palestinians. There are people here who want to make a living and it’s creating more hatred.”
news flash - israel left gaza. you see the result. as for the west bank, i was just there. the jewish presence is nominal and they would gladly give it back but for those little iranians: hamas, who refuse to deal with reality. israel aint leaving and ahmadnijad is just another in a long string of muslim fascists using the palestinians for his own purpose. he isnt even an arab
I'll spell it out for you and you can then rack your brain and attempt to pick holes in it.
I don't believe that it's right for a Palestinian to blow himself up and murder dozens of Israelis in the process. This is an act of terror and no one in their right mind would support such an act.
However, It is plain to see what drives someone to carry out such an act and what a desperate plight the Palestinians are in so that they feel there is no way out other than by directing their anger and despair in such an extreme way.
On the other hand, Israel pretends a stance of 'victim' whilst they subject the Palestinians to daily acts of humiliation and terror. The number of Palestinians killed by Israelis far outweighs that of Israelis killed by Palestinians. I believe the statistics to be somewhere in the region of 10 -1. Palestinians have been undergoing a brutal and illegal military occupation for 36 years. If you read the page I pasted above detailing the poverty and humiliation that Palestinians are experiencing then this will give you an idea of their situation. Although the article is from 2003. Things are a lot worse for them now.
Hence, there is no level playing field to speak of.
Now go ahead and pick holes in my post....
i think i saw this byrnie guy on an episode of sleeper cell....
THIS AHNIMUS GUY HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO ESPOUSE HIS ANTI ISRAEL CRAP ON HERE FOR YEARS. LURES OUT ALL THE JEW HATERS MASQUERADING AS PRO PALESTINIAN. MOST OF THOSE WHO ESPOUSE THOSE VIEWS EITHER NEVER TOOK HISTORY OR JUST CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT....
Dude, I haven't even been on this forum for years.
This is exactly what I'm talking about though. I am capable of seeing this as a single conflict between you and I. I do not associate this interaction with a perception of a group. You aren't speaking to me on behalf of Israel, nor am I speaking to you on behalf of "pro Palestinian" groups. Personally outside of Palestine, you aren't likely to find many people to label themselves Pro-Palestinian. Most people not Pro-Israel have a more centrist view. Though I admit there is still a lot of anti-semitism. What you are doing now, is adding fuel to the fire. When you attack a person in such a way you have, you instigate an emotional response. People respond to it with hostility. Their brains make a connection between your behavior and the topic. Some people may attribute this to be significant to the topic. They may in some express to you that think you are a sympathizer of their opposition, or say things they normally would not say. When people are confronted with hostility, they tend to react emotionally and out of character. I'm fortunately not in that kind of mental state right now.
I tried to make it obviously clear that I did not hold any malice towards anyone, but was rather trying to understand. I tried to express that my view was plastic, as I called them theories. I also didn't express any anti-Israel sentiment, outside of identifying the effects of it's creation. I did not say Israel should be destroyed, or that Jews should be killed. It needs to be clear to you that I am not what you are saying I am.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
stop educating this guy. let him go to a book store. not a comic book store.one with real books.
What exactly is a "real book". You can buy a dozen books on one topic and get a dozen different stories. I honestly think that if I read something from a source I can't trust, it might stick in my mind and I won't realize it. So I choose the best sources I can, or read multiple sources. The internet is the best way to achieve the most up-to-date, complete information. Books are mostly a waste of money.
The way the country is structured, it may not be a theocracy in the literal meaning of the term. But it's highly laced with religion. It's based on a religion. I don't have to go there to know this. I only have to stay in Canada to see the effect religion has on the very substrate of culture and politics.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
THIS AHNIMUS GUY HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO ESPOUSE HIS ANTI ISRAEL CRAP ON HERE FOR YEARS. LURES OUT ALL THE JEW HATERS MASQUERADING AS PRO PALESTINIAN. MOST OF THOSE WHO ESPOUSE THOSE VIEWS EITHER NEVER TOOK HISTORY OR JUST CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT....
Thanks for that pointless post. You say you've been on the board for years? How come you've only got 15 posts in your post count and no ones ever heard of you before then?
Got banned recently did ya?
yeah, actually from having lived in Israel i can tell you that you're wrong. i'd say that waking up every day and being afraid to let your kids ride the bus to school cause they might get bombed is victimization. and terror doesn't affect just a few people. Israel is a tiny country and there isn't a person living there who hasn't known someone killed or terribly affected by Palestinian terrorism, so stop trying to paint one side as the victim and the other as the victimizer. the reality, as always, is more complex. both sides are the victims of the other.
If Israel is such a terrible and frightening place to live then why are settlements continuing to be built? Why are Jews still emigrating there? And why is Israel being touted across the world as a desirable holiday destination?
So you're a Zionist and you you've read the Talmud? Please explain what this has to do with Israels continuing crimes, includingh the ongoing illegal occupation, and it's despicable treatment of the Palestinians?
can you support this view with any real history? please post a link of a map that at any time shows a nation state of palestine ever....cant find one? because it never existed. the land, genius, before becoming israel was part of the british mandate. before that the land was occupied by the turks for hundreds of years, before that the persians, then the greeks, the romans, and originally.....the jews. there could have been a state called palestine in 1948. but the arabs fucked it up not only for themselves but for their brother palestinians. after they lost the 48 war jordan ane egypt occupied land designated for the palestinians by the UN. Egypt in Gaza and Jordan in the west bank. ONLY when the fascist nasser threatened a new holcaust of jews in 67 did israel occupy gaza and the west bank and have been trying to give it back since in exchange for one thing....peace. read before speaking monkey boy
Are you by any chance an historian? I find it amazing that Jews get so riled at the absurdity of holocaust deniers like David Irvine and yet in the same breath you find it acceptable to spout this skewered, self-serving tosh.
news flash - israel left gaza. you see the result. as for the west bank, i was just there. the jewish presence is nominal and they would gladly give it back but for those little iranians: hamas, who refuse to deal with reality. israel aint leaving and ahmadnijad is just another in a long string of muslim fascists using the palestinians for his own purpose. he isnt even an arab
News flash! Israeli troops re-occupied Gaza about two months after leaving it. They've not left since.
Secondly, I know who you are.
Kat, are you reading this? You may want to check his i.p address. You're the fella who stated that you wished I got cancer and died. You were banned for this. Who dya think you're kidding pal? I could spot you a mile away.
P.s, did you enjoy yourself in the West bank recently? Did you manage to take your anger and frustration out on any Palestinians whilst you were there? Go on, share it with us. You're obviously dying to show us all how tough you are.
News flash! Israeli troops re-occupied Gaza about two months after leaving it. They've not left since.
Secondly, I know who you are. Kat, are you reading this? You may want to check his i.p address. You're the fella who stated that you wished I got cancer and died. You were banned for this. Who dya think you're kidding pal? I could spot you a mile away.
P.s, did you enjoy yourself in the West bank recently? Did you manage to take your anger and frustration out on any Palestinians whilst you were there? Go on, share it with us. You're obviously dying to show us all how tough you are.
I'm impressed and curious. By what means did you determine that he is who you think he is?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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The Holocaust was not just Hitler's uncaused hate for Jews, he hated Jews because of their control of the European monetary system, perhaps his father was a painter that became impoverished to a Jewish banker, that is the basis for Hitler's motivation. Although he was also fucked in the head.
The point is, take some responsibility. Label me an anti-semite all you want, it doesn't change history or the future. Jewish people have to take some accountability for what has happened and is happening. If you ignore the Jewish role in the Holocaust, then you fail to explain why the Holocaust happened. I don't think it was right, it was all fucked up and Hitler was a psychotic maniac, but he was motivated by something powerful and it was monetary control.
Exactly, nationalism is the differentiation. Without nationalism, there would be no Zion. Jews would be living happily throughout the nations of the world. Zionism was diseased idea that was sold to the Jews without considering the consequences.
I don't know where you got the idea that the Pharisees thought that it was ok to murder non-Jews. That is definitely not true. As for the Jews controlling Europe's financial system, again I think you're wrong. There were wealthy Jews in Europe certainly. But the belief that the Jews controlled the system is the bastard creation of a paranoid mind. Hitler certainly believed that he had legitimate reasons for hating the Jews, but to say that he was right in his accusations is quite frankly absurd, alarming, hurtful, paranoid in itself. I mean, that's basically like saying that slave owners were certainly crazy but we have to understand that compared to Europeans Africans really were inferior and less human. I mean it's a terrible thing to say.
Ok, you can believe this also, but again I disagree. Before Zionism Jews were being butchered all over Europe. And the people doing the butchering weren't driven to do it by nationalism either. Nationalism can certainly be used for evil purposes, but that is true of most things. In and of itself it certainly is not a bad thing.
If you read up on the history of Usury, it started with Jews and was kept somewhat of a Jewish secret. Jews swiftly took control of large pieces of land and massive wealths. I didn't get that from Hitler propaganda, I got that on the recorded history of economics.
The teachings of the Pharisees I got directly from the Talmud. I read a large portion and was disgusted by the amount of hate for Goyyim portrayed in it. Absolutely disgusted.
So, you are suggesting that one look at a Jew causes a Goy to have bloodlust? That gentiles just go into a fit of rage and lack of self-control when they are the presence of a Jew? That is hilarious. How would they even know? I can't spot a Jew if he was my best friend.
I didn't suggest any such thing. Are you really unaware of the history of the Jews in Europe? Pogroms, blood libels, forced conversions, expulsions, massacres of entire communities during the crusades, abductions of Jewish babies for conversion, ghettoization, segregation, all of which preceded the holocaust.
It's all translated into plain english several places on the web.
Usury was a Jewish secret for ages, it was first discovered by some Arab nation that incorporated it into the Sharia Law, banning it, and it's still banned today.
Yes, it is part of standard economics, and I don't have a problem with it. The problem was as it were in the past. It all relates to the past, sadly. I would prefer to leave the past alone, but it keeps being rehashed by both Jews and Arabs.
Why did all of that happen? Why were Jews labeled in such away to provoke that kind of horror?
Ok, perhaps this is an emotional thing for you and I'm not qualified to really ask these kinds of questions.
I'm not trying to suggest that anyone deserves to be tortured or killed. I don't even think their is a legitimate excuse for hitting anyone. I don't condone violence at all.
However, speaking realistically, people do not act without a motivation. Something motivated them to commit these horrors. I'm just trying to identify with you what that is. My current theory for the holocaust is related in large part to the monetary control. I'm not going as far as to say that those who control the money control the world, or that they are all satan worshipers plotting to enslave us all. I'm not Alex Jones. Perhaps in Hitler's mind that was all true, his propaganda was geared to make the Rothschilds as such. They linked the Rothschilds to Judaism and pointed the finger at all Jews. That is the basis on which the Nazi Party gained the support of much of the German people. Some Germans may not have been aware of the death camps, but they knew that Jews had to wear certain marks and were in oppression in general. It was accepted because of Hitler's brilliant mind fuck. But, he still had a motivation.
My current theory for the general discrimination against Jews is related to world history, including overall wealth and religion. Zionism was the completely wrong thing to do. Essentially it was like walking into a trap. Not all, but a lot of Jews now reside in one tiny little country. It's fortunate that Israel has been taken under the wing of the Unites States, or else it wouldn't have much support on the world stage. In some ways I sympathize with Israelis, in other ways I see where they are wrong. Everyone must admit that they are wrong, because at times they have been, everyone. Munich was wrong as another example.
im surprised your not in tehran this week. lots of people with like minds as yours their right now....
i think i saw this byrnie guy on an episode of sleeper cell....
Dude, I haven't even been on this forum for years.
This is exactly what I'm talking about though. I am capable of seeing this as a single conflict between you and I. I do not associate this interaction with a perception of a group. You aren't speaking to me on behalf of Israel, nor am I speaking to you on behalf of "pro Palestinian" groups. Personally outside of Palestine, you aren't likely to find many people to label themselves Pro-Palestinian. Most people not Pro-Israel have a more centrist view. Though I admit there is still a lot of anti-semitism. What you are doing now, is adding fuel to the fire. When you attack a person in such a way you have, you instigate an emotional response. People respond to it with hostility. Their brains make a connection between your behavior and the topic. Some people may attribute this to be significant to the topic. They may in some express to you that think you are a sympathizer of their opposition, or say things they normally would not say. When people are confronted with hostility, they tend to react emotionally and out of character. I'm fortunately not in that kind of mental state right now.
I tried to make it obviously clear that I did not hold any malice towards anyone, but was rather trying to understand. I tried to express that my view was plastic, as I called them theories. I also didn't express any anti-Israel sentiment, outside of identifying the effects of it's creation. I did not say Israel should be destroyed, or that Jews should be killed. It needs to be clear to you that I am not what you are saying I am.
What exactly is a "real book". You can buy a dozen books on one topic and get a dozen different stories. I honestly think that if I read something from a source I can't trust, it might stick in my mind and I won't realize it. So I choose the best sources I can, or read multiple sources. The internet is the best way to achieve the most up-to-date, complete information. Books are mostly a waste of money.
The way the country is structured, it may not be a theocracy in the literal meaning of the term. But it's highly laced with religion. It's based on a religion. I don't have to go there to know this. I only have to stay in Canada to see the effect religion has on the very substrate of culture and politics.
Thanks for that pointless post. You say you've been on the board for years? How come you've only got 15 posts in your post count and no ones ever heard of you before then?
Got banned recently did ya?
If Israel is such a terrible and frightening place to live then why are settlements continuing to be built? Why are Jews still emigrating there? And why is Israel being touted across the world as a desirable holiday destination?
So you're a Zionist and you you've read the Talmud? Please explain what this has to do with Israels continuing crimes, includingh the ongoing illegal occupation, and it's despicable treatment of the Palestinians?
Are you by any chance an historian? I find it amazing that Jews get so riled at the absurdity of holocaust deniers like David Irvine and yet in the same breath you find it acceptable to spout this skewered, self-serving tosh.
It's amazing how tough people like you can be on internet message boards. You weren't picked on at school by any chance were you?
News flash! Israeli troops re-occupied Gaza about two months after leaving it. They've not left since.
Secondly, I know who you are.
Kat, are you reading this? You may want to check his i.p address. You're the fella who stated that you wished I got cancer and died. You were banned for this. Who dya think you're kidding pal? I could spot you a mile away.
P.s, did you enjoy yourself in the West bank recently? Did you manage to take your anger and frustration out on any Palestinians whilst you were there? Go on, share it with us. You're obviously dying to show us all how tough you are.
I'm impressed and curious. By what means did you determine that he is who you think he is?
You're a laugh a minute pal. We really missed you whilst you were banned before under a different board name. Good to have you back. Not.