All anyone needs to do to see that the us vs. them does prevail in the mainstream is attend a Republican/Democrat convention. The speeches there are extremely laced with the "we must beat 'them'" mentality...clearly not a conspiracy type thing.
honestly i just don't think about things like that, i have my views and questions about 9/11.
i just see eddie vedder as a brilliant and talented musician. i enjoy being a fan. i am not a disciple. it's irrelevant to me what ed thinks of the official story of 9/11.
he's just a man.
I would disagree with some of that. This bands music and lyrics inspire me BECAUSE they seem to share my beliefs on many of the topics and issues I find important. It makes the music that much more powerful to me.
There are many great musicians who have written amazing tunes that are cool to mow the lawn to or play beer pong to, but at the end of the day, when I am listening to music, I want to FEEL something. I want to believe something. Some of the greatest musicians in the world dont give that to me. This guy and this band does.
You are right in that he is not a God, and I am not a diciple. He is just a man. A man who happens to inspire and lead with his words and actions.
Again, the fact that he shares my thoughts on some things makes everything that much more powerful when listening to his words.
Question everything.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Quote: "To me, conspiracy theories are generally all about the same thing, something big happens or might happen, and the people behind it are the rich, Jews, Catholics, aliens, Illuminati, communists, or whoever people want to insert."
m.
Thanks for the laugh. The only thing that he got right was Part 1.
Get a clue?
Hmm. It definitely refers to the forced blackouts in SF, not the random one in NYC.
However- if you're willing to source Wikipedia, then THAT must be true!
Any intelligent person would see the clear connection. I'm sorry that you do not, nor understand the little joke within my post. Afterall, I thought a link to anything is proof enough around here..I can copy and paste with the best of them ..look does Cheney have a little one or hung like a monster? You decide: http://www.konformist.com/2000/donkey-dick-not.htm
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
You don't have to believe that 911 was an inside job to question the official story. Those two things do not always go together.
Yup. That is where I am. But it seems like if you question the inside job theory you are nothing but a Bush Administration / Fox News supporter according to some here.
A corollary to the above - just because there are holes in the official story or questions still to be answered doesn't mean that it was an inside job.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I would disagree with some of that. This bands music and lyrics inspire me BECAUSE they seem to share my beliefs on many of the topics and issues I find important. It makes the music that much more powerful to me.
There are many great musicians who have written amazing tunes that are cool to mow the lawn to or play beer pong to, but at the end of the day, when I am listening to music, I want to FEEL something. I want to believe something. Some of the greatest musicians in the world dont give that to me. This guy and this band does.
You are right in that he is not a God, and I am not a diciple. He is just a man. A man who happens to inspire and lead with his words and actions.
Again, the fact that he shares my thoughts on some things makes everything that much more powerful when listening to his words.
Question everything.
For me music, and art in general should be thought-provoking and challenging values and believes (in whatever way possible)...
I certainly don't look at it for factual historical accounts or sharp political analyses...
Masters of war for example is one of the greatest songs ever written (in the way I described above)...yet I think it's not a true depiction of reality...not even close...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Every demolitions expert and architect shold be clamoring over themselves 24/7 to fully understand, and study how small isolated fires were able to accomplish 3 textbook demolitions in a row on 9/11.
The industry could easily save b/trillions....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I remember that very well, I was in Brooklyn playing table tennis off of Flatbush Ave. It turned into a scary night for my early teenage years.
Ed's just a man and he could be easily wrong with his thoughts on 9/11 on how many questions are there to be asked and answered. Who really GAINS from something like this and who has the power and means to pull this off?
I believe we knew long beforehand that the Japaneses were planning to attack Pearl Harbour but allowed it to go forth with a few thousand human sacrifices and their battleships. Again who GAINS from this, who has the means to pull it off? Amazing how are most prized military hardware were ALL far out to sea away from PH, our Aircraft Carrier groups. Our wanting for war went straight through the roof after this attack it all sounds familiar again.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I am skeptical much is not all of it. It has also enlightened us to look at the schemes and plots behind past wars prior as well. I think ED is just like any other American and has many questions and no real valid answers.
for everyone interested...I recommend this little website...and spend some time with it
especially after you watched something like Zeitgeist, The Movie...
Quote: "To me, conspiracy theories are generally all about the same thing, something big happens or might happen, and the people behind it are the rich, Jews, Catholics, aliens, Illuminati, communists, or whoever people want to insert."
m.
I didn't reply to you before about Zeitgeist, i have seen it and it has some interesting points in it. Of course that doesn't mean everything in it is true.
The North American Union is real and will happen as will an Asian union headed by Australia, i posted a link to that a while ago, So it's not really a conspiracy theory, We have the European union so why not other Union's?
Whether it's good or bad really depends on peoples view of Europe as i guess that is the model.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Well, lets hope the "f*&^%$#@ idiots" inherit the earth so we shall see how much better it will be!
I dunno... obviously I believe my opinions are right BUT I've pondered the possibility of people who think like me running the world. I'm just not quite sure how that would work out
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Doesn't matter who believes it or not. To those of us who do, it's clear as fuckin daylight. To those who don't, the rest of us will always be nutjobs and either 'unpatriotic' (if you're american) or 'jealous of Americas freedom' or 'a threat' if you're not American.
Whether you believe in any of the secret society or masonic stuff that floats around... I think it's pretty obvious there is a superclass who, for whatever reasons, work with eachother and for eachother.
Now call me a fucking conspiracy theorist nutjob... and see if I give a fuck . Those who hate conspiracy theorists seem to feel quite strong about it. It's almost like they're threatened by us... cos they fear we may be right!
Period.
"I feel the same way about disco as I do about herpes." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, 1977
3 buildings each vaporized in a matter of seconds, and all falling at the speed of gravity....sprinkle some kerosene on them and voila....you get 3 textbook demolitions.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
I only had to go so far as look at the second picture http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/2.jpg to realize instantly that those buildings didn't fall down naturally.
That's no collapse.... the building is atomizing instantaneously all the way to the ground.
impossible.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I didn't reply to you before about Zeitgeist, i have seen it and it has some interesting points in it. Of course that doesn't mean everything in it is true.
as I said...it was a pleasure to watch, especially the first part;)
yet, hardly anything is true. especially when he tries to compare 911 to the beginning of other wars. believe it or not, there are still historical facts that are not open to interpretation, and in this movie almost everything about the US' joining WWI and WWII is plain false or left out!
The North American Union is real and will happen as will an Asian union headed by Australia, i posted a link to that a while ago, So it's not really a conspiracy theory, We have the European union so why not other Union's?
Whether it's good or bad really depends on peoples view of Europe as i guess that is the model.
I think it's highly unlikely, because neither the US, Mexico nor Canada would have an interest in it. Europe (or Africa for that matter) are in a whole different situation (a lot of countries, weak on their own, even defenseless). EU is more like USA than NAU...
What is even more unlikely is that people will be marked with some chip. Seriously?? Who would let that happen to themselves? I don't believe even 5% of us citizens let alone world citizens.
whether the EU is good or bad partly can also be seen in statistics about the average wealth (=for everyone in the population) ascending after their country joined the EU...just one point...
if you haven't yet...check out the website I linked above. I'm not trying to convert you or anything...but as Zeitgeist, that website also is very interesting...plus it is more succesful in disproving claims, than zeitgeist is in proving them...
and the last thing: if the movie really has a valid point to make? Why does it use such a massive amount of deception? it's not like it has to do it that way...it's not a government;)....or is it???;)
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
On the information note I am talking about the history that i have picked up from books by Chomsky and other such writers.
I've also read Chomsky...yet this is not everything...and I don't mean you should read the "other side's" account...I mean good old boring unsensational scolarly history...where the guy actually parts facts from opinion and interpretation...it's not as interesting as Chomsky...buy once in a while...it's a very good thing to do...and I assure you: there are scolarly works out there like that...I'm not saying that they don't voice an opinion or give their interpretation->but they will tell you when they do that...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I only had to go so far as look at the second picture http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/2.jpg to realize instantly that those buildings didn't fall down naturally.
That's no collapse.... the building is atomizing instantaneously all the way to the ground.
impossible.
Atomizing? Well the building is collapsing but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is atomizing. I don't see how you see that but what one of those pictures that i posted shows to me is during the collapse of the building the smaller pieces of debris are falling at the speed of gravity while the building is collapsing behind it at a slower rate. Therefore debunking your theory that the buildings fell at the speed of gravity. Look at all the pictures.
Your picture shows a large plume of dust and debris in the air which is what you would get when a building collapses. This is the problem i have with the conspiracy people. A simple picture like you posted all of a sudden turns into proof of atomizing? Its a picture of a building collapsing..nothing more, nothing less.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
Atomizing? Well the building is collapsing but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is atomizing. I don't see how you see that but what one of those pictures that i posted shows to me is during the collapse of the building the smaller pieces of debris are falling at the speed of gravity while the building is collapsing behind it at a slower rate. Therefore debunking your theory that the buildings fell at the speed of gravity. Look at all the pictures.
Your picture shows a large plume of dust and debris in the air which is what you would get when a building collapses. This is the problem i have with the conspiracy people. A simple picture like you posted all of a sudden turns into proof of atomizing? Its a picture of a building collapsing..nothing more, nothing less.
but he wants to see it that way...
otherwise...what would he post about here on this forum?
what would I post about...?;)
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Atomizing? Well the building is collapsing but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is atomizing. I don't see how you see that but what one of those pictures that i posted shows to me is during the collapse of the building the smaller pieces of debris are falling at the speed of gravity while the building is collapsing behind it at a slower rate. Therefore debunking your theory that the buildings fell at the speed of gravity. Look at all the pictures.
Your picture shows a large plume of dust and debris in the air which is what you would get when a building collapses. This is the problem i have with the conspiracy people. A simple picture like you posted all of a sudden turns into proof of atomizing? Its a picture of a building collapsing..nothing more, nothing less.
This is what I don't understand about official story people. Look at the building...
just look at it....and then try to understand how the forces of gravity alone could cause that.
atomizing turning into a vast pile of dust...
no way...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
There are many great musicians who have written amazing tunes that are cool to mow the lawn to or play beer pong to, but at the end of the day, when I am listening to music, I want to FEEL something. I want to believe something. Some of the greatest musicians in the world dont give that to me. This guy and this band does.
You are right in that he is not a God, and I am not a diciple. He is just a man. A man who happens to inspire and lead with his words and actions.
Again, the fact that he shares my thoughts on some things makes everything that much more powerful when listening to his words.
Question everything.
Get a clue?
Hmm. It definitely refers to the forced blackouts in SF, not the random one in NYC.
However- if you're willing to source Wikipedia, then THAT must be true!
Any intelligent person would see the clear connection. I'm sorry that you do not, nor understand the little joke within my post. Afterall, I thought a link to anything is proof enough around here..I can copy and paste with the best of them
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
You don't have to believe that 911 was an inside job to question the official story. Those two things do not always go together.
you are quite a quick reader...
took me almost 3h to read through it...my utmost respect!
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Yup. That is where I am. But it seems like if you question the inside job theory you are nothing but a Bush Administration / Fox News supporter according to some here.
A corollary to the above - just because there are holes in the official story or questions still to be answered doesn't mean that it was an inside job.
are you reading my mind?
sorry to disappoint.. hehe
a bit of pick and choose...he does address a lot of excellent points in his findings
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard%20gage&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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For me music, and art in general should be thought-provoking and challenging values and believes (in whatever way possible)...
I certainly don't look at it for factual historical accounts or sharp political analyses...
Masters of war for example is one of the greatest songs ever written (in the way I described above)...yet I think it's not a true depiction of reality...not even close...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
The industry could easily save b/trillions....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I remember that very well, I was in Brooklyn playing table tennis off of Flatbush Ave. It turned into a scary night for my early teenage years.
Ed's just a man and he could be easily wrong with his thoughts on 9/11 on how many questions are there to be asked and answered. Who really GAINS from something like this and who has the power and means to pull this off?
I believe we knew long beforehand that the Japaneses were planning to attack Pearl Harbour but allowed it to go forth with a few thousand human sacrifices and their battleships. Again who GAINS from this, who has the means to pull it off? Amazing how are most prized military hardware were ALL far out to sea away from PH, our Aircraft Carrier groups. Our wanting for war went straight through the roof after this attack it all sounds familiar again.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Well, lets hope the "f*&^%$#@ idiots" inherit the earth so we shall see how much better it will be!
I didn't reply to you before about Zeitgeist, i have seen it and it has some interesting points in it. Of course that doesn't mean everything in it is true.
The North American Union is real and will happen as will an Asian union headed by Australia, i posted a link to that a while ago, So it's not really a conspiracy theory, We have the European union so why not other Union's?
Whether it's good or bad really depends on peoples view of Europe as i guess that is the model.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Period.
Just thought i would paste the other side of the arguement.
http://www.layscience.net/?q=node/124
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
I only had to go so far as look at the second picture http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/2.jpg to realize instantly that those buildings didn't fall down naturally.
That's no collapse.... the building is atomizing instantaneously all the way to the ground.
impossible.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
as I said...it was a pleasure to watch, especially the first part;)
yet, hardly anything is true. especially when he tries to compare 911 to the beginning of other wars. believe it or not, there are still historical facts that are not open to interpretation, and in this movie almost everything about the US' joining WWI and WWII is plain false or left out!
also interesting-it stylizes this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden
as a HERO and MARTYR!!
I think it's highly unlikely, because neither the US, Mexico nor Canada would have an interest in it. Europe (or Africa for that matter) are in a whole different situation (a lot of countries, weak on their own, even defenseless). EU is more like USA than NAU...
What is even more unlikely is that people will be marked with some chip. Seriously?? Who would let that happen to themselves? I don't believe even 5% of us citizens let alone world citizens.
whether the EU is good or bad partly can also be seen in statistics about the average wealth (=for everyone in the population) ascending after their country joined the EU...just one point...
if you haven't yet...check out the website I linked above. I'm not trying to convert you or anything...but as Zeitgeist, that website also is very interesting...plus it is more succesful in disproving claims, than zeitgeist is in proving them...
and the last thing: if the movie really has a valid point to make? Why does it use such a massive amount of deception? it's not like it has to do it that way...it's not a government;)....or is it???;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I've also read Chomsky...yet this is not everything...and I don't mean you should read the "other side's" account...I mean good old boring unsensational scolarly history...where the guy actually parts facts from opinion and interpretation...it's not as interesting as Chomsky...buy once in a while...it's a very good thing to do...and I assure you: there are scolarly works out there like that...I'm not saying that they don't voice an opinion or give their interpretation->but they will tell you when they do that...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
How do we know Ed believes 911 was an inside job? That sort of is the premise of the whole thread, but I'm not sure where that is coming from.
for the least they could possibly do
I think that was the question of the thread...if he believed in an inside job...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Oh, I get it. Well, then in reality, this thread should have been one response long:
"How the fuck should we know?"
for the least they could possibly do
well, people were trying to find "evidence" in the lyrics...
I thought you've read through the thread??;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Atomizing? Well the building is collapsing but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is atomizing. I don't see how you see that but what one of those pictures that i posted shows to me is during the collapse of the building the smaller pieces of debris are falling at the speed of gravity while the building is collapsing behind it at a slower rate. Therefore debunking your theory that the buildings fell at the speed of gravity. Look at all the pictures.
Your picture shows a large plume of dust and debris in the air which is what you would get when a building collapses. This is the problem i have with the conspiracy people. A simple picture like you posted all of a sudden turns into proof of atomizing? Its a picture of a building collapsing..nothing more, nothing less.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
but he wants to see it that way...
otherwise...what would he post about here on this forum?
what would I post about...?;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
This is what I don't understand about official story people. Look at the building...
just look at it....and then try to understand how the forces of gravity alone could cause that.
atomizing turning into a vast pile of dust...
no way...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")