I don't think it's easy to come up with different theories... it's much easier to read the papers or listen to people telling you what happened... and just take their word for it. I was brought up to think for myself. Of COURSE I don't have as much information as many people but there's rarely smoke without fire.
I haven't taken any conspiracy theory and accepted it as fact or rehashed somebody elses words to 'prove my point'. I've listened to every side of it and I decide whether or not I believe we're being told the entire truth. Of course this is only my opinion and I really don't expect people to care... but sometimes there is more than enough evidence on the lesser listened to side to suggest otherwise. There is also enough evidence that the media immediately dismisses anyone who says otherwise as nutjobs... blatently.
I think this reply is bang on the money. It is far easier to follow along with what the media tells you as it requires absolutely no thought on our part.
But unfortunately for me if something doesn't sit right with me i have a knack of not following along with what the mainstream goes with.
I mean come on, regarding 9/11 why haven't they at least investigated the towers collapse from the explosives angle. They spent a very long time trying to come up with another reason and really it doesn't sit right.
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I think this reply is bang on the money. It is far easier to follow along with what the media tells you as it requires absolutely no thought on our part.
But unfortunately for me if something doesn't sit right with me i have a knack of not following along with what the mainstream goes with.
I mean come on, regarding 9/11 why haven't they at least investigated the towers collapse from the explosives angle. They spent a very long time trying to come up with another reason and really it doesn't sit right.
To be honest, I don't actually know enough about the 9/11 conspiracy theory... cos I think it's just little fish in a much bigger pond. It's just usually very coincidental that these things only serve to empower certain people further (rarely the 'bad guys')
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and really the only thing I'm trying to put forth here (and in every other post I comment on) there's hardly ever only two sides to some story...
many people are to comfortable with the us vs. them logic...is all I'm saying:)
m.
Ok to me the people who are comfortable with the us vs them logic are the people who believe what the papers say.
Now i am not saying that everyone who follows the media and believes it has that mindset, but as far as i can see of the people i know around me they are the ones with that logic not those who have questions.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok to me the people who are comfortable with the us vs them logic are the people who believe what the papers say.
Now i am not saying that everyone who follows the media and believes it has that mindset, but as far as i can see of the people i know around me they are the ones with that logic not those who have questions.
The "us vs them" logic almost entirely stems from the "conspiracy theorists", not the mainstream people who read newspapers.
To be honest, I don't actually know enough about the 9/11 conspiracy theory... cos I think it's just little fish in a much bigger pond. It's just usually very coincidental that these things only serve to empower certain people further (rarely the 'bad guys')
Check out the video in this thread if you have time it's very good.
But yea 9/11 is just a tiny part of the whole picture and was just a catalyst to get into the middle east.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
How does my historical analogy fail here? Sure there are a few people on the board who go on about Israel and Jews dominating the world... but there are a few people on the board who back up almost every point of view. Of the people I believe are running the world, I believe the percentage of jews is probably directly proportional to the percentage of jews in the world :cool:
What brought me to my conclusion about you comparing it to nazi Germany... is because that's what you do. And you've just done it again.... by saying we're accusing the Jews!
well, let's not start arguing about the unimportant things again...here is what I say:
the theories put forth today with a few people running the show pulling the strings in back rooms etc (oh and they're filty rich or course) so closely resemble older material that you can put in the word "banker" instead of "jew" and it leaves you with basically the same thought experiment. don't think only germans are able to see that...;)
it has become widely popular in left circles (not only in germany) to blame israel for each and everything...even sarkozy is supposed to be a mossad spy or some nonsense like that...
I don't see WWIII coming because of that...it's just a bit sad how people so easily buy into very old stories to explain the world...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
The "us vs them" logic almost entirely stems from the "conspiracy theorists", not the mainstream people who read newspapers.
I can't speak for even a tiny percentage of conspiracy theorists... but I know when I speak of 'them' it's jokingly. I refer to them... cos it's not like I can use names or specific examples half the time. It does seem to me that it's quite obvious there's a lot of globalisation goin on though... and people making more and more decisions on our behalf... so it's THOSE people I refer to as 'them'... simply cos it's easier. If that implies that I think there's a simple us vs them 2 sidedness to this whole thing, well then so be it.
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The "us vs them" logic almost entirely stems from the "conspiracy theorists", not the mainstream people who read newspapers.
Ok well the us vs them i have heard is from bush's mouth. Like you guys vs the terrorists.
So do you mean it's the conspiracy theorists vs the mainstream believers then?
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I can't speak for even a tiny percentage of conspiracy theorists... but I know when I speak of 'them' it's jokingly. I refer to them... cos it's not like I can use names or specific examples half the time. It does seem to me that it's quite obvious there's a lot of globalisation goin on though... and people making more and more decisions on our behalf... so it's THOSE people I refer to as 'them'... simply cos it's easier. If that implies that I think there's a simple us vs them 2 sidedness to this whole thing, well then so be it.
Of course there is globalization going on, that is certainly obvious.
And secondly, I wasnt referring to you. I was referring to spirals post that people comfortable with the "us vs them" attitude comes from your average joe blow reading newspapers over coffee or something, which isnt the least bit true. So, not sure what most of your post has to do with what I said. I didnt quote you or single you out at all.
well, let's not start arguing about the unimportant things again...here is what I say:
the theories put forth today with a few people running the show pulling the strings in back rooms etc (oh and they're filty rich or course) so closely resemble older material that you can put in the word "banker" instead of "jew" and it leaves you with basically the same thought experiment. don't think only germans are able to see that...;)
it has become widely popular in left circles (not only in germany) to blame israel for each and everything...even sarkozy is supposed to be a mossad spy or some nonsense like that...
I don't see WWIII coming because of that...it's just a bit sad how people so easily buy into very old stories to explain the world...
m.
See... I can also use the 'history repeating' in several instances to support MY side of things. What happened in WWII was because of mass opinions or whatever... however didn't it also begin out of fear that was instilled into people? Fear of losing their jobs, homes everything... whether or not this fear was justified... fact is people only act out in such a way when they feel like they're defending themselves. All too often they're defending themselves from lies... as we see right now with the US defending themselves from Iraq
You're the one who keeps bringing up Israel in here. Lol, you think the world is turning against the bankers?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
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Ok well the us vs them i have heard is from bush's mouth. Like you guys vs the terrorists.
So do you mean it's the conspiracy theorists vs the mainstream believers then?
Oh, in that regard yes. Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to "us vs them" as far as the populace and the relationship with our own government.
Ok to me the people who are comfortable with the us vs them logic are the people who believe what the papers say.
Now i am not saying that everyone who follows the media and believes it has that mindset, but as far as i can see of the people i know around me they are the ones with that logic not those who have questions.
my paper doesn't use it...I hope you have a little faith in my judgement here:)
additionally our tv news are still a bit closer to journalistic neutrality than CNN or Fox news (I know you're not american:))...
as a matter of fact...our state channels have some of the most government challenging reports etc. so the media isn't as unanimous a dull ass-kissing mass as you perceive them to be...at least not everywhere in the world
and third: I think knowing history is very important...not the one from the internet...but from actual scolarly releases...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Of course there is globalization going on, that is certainly obvious.
And secondly, I wasnt referring to you. I was referring to spirals post that people comfortable with the "us vs them" attitude comes from your average joe blow reading newspapers over coffee or something, which isnt the least bit true. So, not sure what most of your post has to do with what I said. I didnt quote you or single you out at all.
Oh I know that... but this is a conversation... not a collection of conversations... if you post in the middle of a conversation and it's ignored, you'll complain it's ignored... if somebody replies to it you complain you weren't talking to them
I've no idea where us vs them comes from... but yep, it's certainly one Bush has used once or twice.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Ok to me the people who are comfortable with the us vs them logic are the people who believe what the papers say.
Now i am not saying that everyone who follows the media and believes it has that mindset, but as far as i can see of the people i know around me they are the ones with that logic not those who have questions.
You know, from time to time, newspapers also contain relevant information worth reading..of course much of it is bullshit/entertainment and it's not quite as informative as Eddie Vedder lyrics ..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Oh I know that... but this is a conversation... not a collection of conversations... if you post in the middle of a conversation and it's ignored, you'll complain it's ignored... if somebody replies to it you complain you weren't talking to them
I've no idea where us vs them comes from... but yep, it's certainly one Bush has used once or twice.
Yes Bush uses it, just like the radical Muslim leaders use it, just like leaders throught history have used it. But that is propaganda, not a conspiracy.
See... I can also use the 'history repeating' in several instances to support MY side of things. What happened in WWII was because of mass opinions or whatever... however didn't it also begin out of fear that was instilled into people? Fear of losing their jobs, homes everything... whether or not this fear was justified... fact is people only act out in such a way when they feel like they're defending themselves. All too often they're defending themselves from lies... as we see right now with the US defending themselves from Iraq
You're the one who keeps bringing up Israel in here. Lol, you think the world is turning against the bankers?
you would make a pretty good spin doctor you know...:)
but a bad historian
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Yes Bush uses it, just like the radical Muslim leaders use it, just like leaders throught history have used it. But that is propaganda, not a conspiracy.
True! I was just replying to what I thought was you suggesting it's only the 'nutjob lefties' who use it which you've since said otherwise... so yeh, people on all sides use the 'us vs them' bullshit.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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you would make a pretty good spin doctor you know...:)
m.
Doubtful
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
True! I was just replying to what I thought was you suggesting it's only the 'nutjob lefties' who use it which you've since said otherwise... so yeh, people on all sides use the 'us vs them' bullshit.
I don't use it, cause I'm on nobody's side!
have a good evening(?) ladies and genteman...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
True! I was just replying to what I thought was you suggesting it's only the 'nutjob lefties' who use it which you've since said otherwise... so yeh, people on all sides use the 'us vs them' bullshit.
Oh no. I think people on both sides of the aisle are easily manipulated and quick to believe what they want to. I think your average person is more likely to believe the Us vs Them, than a well read person who keeps up with politics and world affairs beyond just reading headlines. On the othe side of that, I think many people who believe conspiracies are more likely people who dont like the government anyway, and a part of them wants that to be true.
Oh no. I think people on both sides of the aisle are easily manipulated and quick to believe what they want to. I think your average person is more likely to believe the Us vs Them, than a well read person who keeps up with politics and world affairs beyond just reading headlines. On the othe side of that, I think many people who believe conspiracies are more likely people who dont like the government anyway, and a part of them wants that to be true.
Possibly... but it can also be a vicious circle... sometimes they don't trust the government cos they've seen time and time again that they can't be trusted and often don't act in anyones best interest but their own... sometimes
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Possibly... but it can also be a vicious circle... sometimes they don't trust the government cos they've seen time and time again that they can't be trusted and often don't act in anyones best interest but their own... sometimes
Yes. But I think almost everyone believes that government is corrupt and cant be trusted. But not being able to fully trust government, and believing in conspiracies, which sometimes have little to no evidence to support those conspiracies, are 2 different things.
The "us vs them" logic almost entirely stems from the "conspiracy theorists", not the mainstream people who read newspapers.
right.
it has nothing to do with the silly notion of "us" the enlightened, forward thinking and compassionate "left" versus "them", the dumb, dip chewing, camo wearing, boot strapping, gun toting, budweiser drinking "right".
huh?
Cause god knows i never hear anyone in the "mainstream", on the media, or all over this board, pretending like the world will be all right, and everything will go back to some mythological Clinton-ian fairy tale, if only we would elect Obama and defeat the evil "Right Winger".
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yes. But I think almost everyone believes that government is corrupt and cant be trusted. But not being able to fully trust government, and believing in conspiracies, which sometimes have little to no evidence to support those conspiracies, are 2 different things.
True... but I don't see anything too wrong about believing conspiracies (again, it's not like I believe them ALL). If people didn't question things, there'd never be any answers. Besides, it's not like it makes me an anarchist or anything. I still just get on with things.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
True... but I don't see anything too wrong about believing conspiracies (again, it's not like I believe them ALL). If people didn't question things, there'd never be any answers. Besides, it's not like it makes me an anarchist or anything. I still just get on with things.
There is nothing wrong in questioning things, and if the evidence mounts up, believing it. I dont disagree with you on that at all. What Im basically saying, is that I think there are many sheepish conspiracy theorists out there who read something, and just believe it no questions asked. I dont think being a conspiracy theorists makes one any more logical or enlightened than a non conspiracy theorists. Thats all Im saying. Questioning and researching is great. But for example, how many people who watched Loose Change for instance, did no research of their own, and just took the word of the moviemakers? It is no different than someone watching Fox News and taking it at its word, without going to other sources and looking into things a bit deeper.
There is nothing wrong in questioning things, and if the evidence mounts up, believing it. I dont disagree with you on that at all. What Im basically saying, is that I think there are many sheepish conspiracy theorists out there who read something, and just believe it no questions asked. I dont think being a conspiracy theorists makes one any more logical or enlightened than a non conspiracy theorists. Thats all Im saying. Questioning and researching is great. But for example, how many people who watched Loose Change for instance, did no research of their own, and just took the word of the moviemakers? It is no different than someone watching Fox News and taking it at its word, without going to other sources and looking into things a bit deeper.
Which is why, and I know I've used it several times in this thread, I HATE the term conspiracy theorist... cos it kinda makes it seem like I fit into the same box of those who think Bush himself flew into the WTC. Most theories I take with a pinch of salt but quite a few I believe there's something to and I've made up some myself... it's actually more fun and makes life a bit more interesting than just reading the paper and just thinking 'oh, that's interesting'. But the term 'conspiracy theorist' implies that I believe, without question, everything that's ever been entitled 'conspiracy theory' and that's soooooooooooo far from the truth.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
my paper doesn't use it...I hope you have a little faith in my judgement here:)
additionally our tv news are still a bit closer to journalistic neutrality than CNN or Fox news (I know you're not american:))...
as a matter of fact...our state channels have some of the most government challenging reports etc. so the media isn't as unanimous a dull ass-kissing mass as you perceive them to be...at least not everywhere in the world
and third: I think knowing history is very important...not the one from the internet...but from actual scolarly releases...
m.
I agree with you regarding our news but it is still not all it seems. The BBC has definitely changed since the head took the fall regarding the David Kelly stuff, it's more under the governments wing now. While it may challenge some stuff i can assure you that there is a lot that goes unsaid.
On the information note I am talking about the history that i have picked up from books by Chomsky and other such writers.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You know, from time to time, newspapers also contain relevant information worth reading..of course much of it is bullshit/entertainment and it's not quite as informative as Eddie Vedder lyrics ..
Lol, yep of course they do i read quite a few different newspaper site every morning.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Which is why, and I know I've used it several times in this thread, I HATE the term conspiracy theorist... cos it kinda makes it seem like I fit into the same box of those who think Bush himself flew into the WTC. Most theories I take with a pinch of salt but quite a few I believe there's something to and I've made up some myself... it's actually more fun and makes life a bit more interesting than just reading the paper and just thinking 'oh, that's interesting'. But the term 'conspiracy theorist' implies that I believe, without question, everything that's ever been entitled 'conspiracy theory' and that's soooooooooooo far from the truth.
Im talking in general terms, not specifically of you or anyone else. I have no clue of your beliefs other than the small exchange we have had on this thread thus far.
for everyone interested...I recommend this little website...and spend some time with it
especially after you watched something like Zeitgeist, The Movie...
Quote: "To me, conspiracy theories are generally all about the same thing, something big happens or might happen, and the people behind it are the rich, Jews, Catholics, aliens, Illuminati, communists, or whoever people want to insert."
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
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I think this reply is bang on the money. It is far easier to follow along with what the media tells you as it requires absolutely no thought on our part.
But unfortunately for me if something doesn't sit right with me i have a knack of not following along with what the mainstream goes with.
I mean come on, regarding 9/11 why haven't they at least investigated the towers collapse from the explosives angle. They spent a very long time trying to come up with another reason and really it doesn't sit right.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Ok to me the people who are comfortable with the us vs them logic are the people who believe what the papers say.
Now i am not saying that everyone who follows the media and believes it has that mindset, but as far as i can see of the people i know around me they are the ones with that logic not those who have questions.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The "us vs them" logic almost entirely stems from the "conspiracy theorists", not the mainstream people who read newspapers.
Check out the video in this thread if you have time it's very good.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=292756
But yea 9/11 is just a tiny part of the whole picture and was just a catalyst to get into the middle east.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
well, let's not start arguing about the unimportant things again...here is what I say:
the theories put forth today with a few people running the show pulling the strings in back rooms etc (oh and they're filty rich or course) so closely resemble older material that you can put in the word "banker" instead of "jew" and it leaves you with basically the same thought experiment. don't think only germans are able to see that...;)
it has become widely popular in left circles (not only in germany) to blame israel for each and everything...even sarkozy is supposed to be a mossad spy or some nonsense like that...
I don't see WWIII coming because of that...it's just a bit sad how people so easily buy into very old stories to explain the world...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Ok well the us vs them i have heard is from bush's mouth. Like you guys vs the terrorists.
So do you mean it's the conspiracy theorists vs the mainstream believers then?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Of course there is globalization going on, that is certainly obvious.
And secondly, I wasnt referring to you. I was referring to spirals post that people comfortable with the "us vs them" attitude comes from your average joe blow reading newspapers over coffee or something, which isnt the least bit true. So, not sure what most of your post has to do with what I said. I didnt quote you or single you out at all.
You're the one who keeps bringing up Israel in here. Lol, you think the world is turning against the bankers?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Oh, in that regard yes. Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to "us vs them" as far as the populace and the relationship with our own government.
my paper doesn't use it...I hope you have a little faith in my judgement here:)
additionally our tv news are still a bit closer to journalistic neutrality than CNN or Fox news (I know you're not american:))...
as a matter of fact...our state channels have some of the most government challenging reports etc. so the media isn't as unanimous a dull ass-kissing mass as you perceive them to be...at least not everywhere in the world
and third: I think knowing history is very important...not the one from the internet...but from actual scolarly releases...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I've no idea where us vs them comes from... but yep, it's certainly one Bush has used once or twice.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You know, from time to time, newspapers also contain relevant information worth reading..of course much of it is bullshit/entertainment and it's not quite as informative as Eddie Vedder lyrics
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Yes Bush uses it, just like the radical Muslim leaders use it, just like leaders throught history have used it. But that is propaganda, not a conspiracy.
you would make a pretty good spin doctor you know...:)
but a bad historian
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I don't use it, cause I'm on nobody's side!
have a good evening(?) ladies and genteman...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Oh no. I think people on both sides of the aisle are easily manipulated and quick to believe what they want to. I think your average person is more likely to believe the Us vs Them, than a well read person who keeps up with politics and world affairs beyond just reading headlines. On the othe side of that, I think many people who believe conspiracies are more likely people who dont like the government anyway, and a part of them wants that to be true.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Yes. But I think almost everyone believes that government is corrupt and cant be trusted. But not being able to fully trust government, and believing in conspiracies, which sometimes have little to no evidence to support those conspiracies, are 2 different things.
right.
it has nothing to do with the silly notion of "us" the enlightened, forward thinking and compassionate "left" versus "them", the dumb, dip chewing, camo wearing, boot strapping, gun toting, budweiser drinking "right".
huh?
Cause god knows i never hear anyone in the "mainstream", on the media, or all over this board, pretending like the world will be all right, and everything will go back to some mythological Clinton-ian fairy tale, if only we would elect Obama and defeat the evil "Right Winger".
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
There is nothing wrong in questioning things, and if the evidence mounts up, believing it. I dont disagree with you on that at all. What Im basically saying, is that I think there are many sheepish conspiracy theorists out there who read something, and just believe it no questions asked. I dont think being a conspiracy theorists makes one any more logical or enlightened than a non conspiracy theorists. Thats all Im saying. Questioning and researching is great. But for example, how many people who watched Loose Change for instance, did no research of their own, and just took the word of the moviemakers? It is no different than someone watching Fox News and taking it at its word, without going to other sources and looking into things a bit deeper.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I agree with you regarding our news but it is still not all it seems. The BBC has definitely changed since the head took the fall regarding the David Kelly stuff, it's more under the governments wing now. While it may challenge some stuff i can assure you that there is a lot that goes unsaid.
On the information note I am talking about the history that i have picked up from books by Chomsky and other such writers.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Lol, yep of course they do i read quite a few different newspaper site every morning.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Im talking in general terms, not specifically of you or anyone else. I have no clue of your beliefs other than the small exchange we have had on this thread thus far.
especially after you watched something like Zeitgeist, The Movie...
http://conspiracyscience.com/site/about/
Quote: "To me, conspiracy theories are generally all about the same thing, something big happens or might happen, and the people behind it are the rich, Jews, Catholics, aliens, Illuminati, communists, or whoever people want to insert."
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"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."