Miraculous Messages from Water

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  • binger wrote:
    We evolved. If you think something different today then you did yesterday, and it opened your consciousness about another facet to this life puzzle, then you just evolved. If you learned to adapt to your environment, you evolved. We have been evolving from stardust, for billions of years. We are all the product of universal laws, gravity, light, magnetics, thermodynamics, just like the tree in my yard.

    An interesting thing to consider is the Bonobo ape. A female dominated aspe society, unlike their agressive chimp counterparts who fight and kill members of their own family, this group of monkeys are a sex-based society. The young males gathering food and the adult females eating first and then passing it out to the others. It was previously thought that monkeys could did not just mate as a docial habit, but alas!!

    I posted some Bonobo pics a while back that looked freaking human... In some of them there was actually a discernible level of personality and emotion visible in their eyes.

    closest living ancestors...no question about it. If we don't kill them all first they'll probably be talking a recognizable language in another 5000-10,000 years....that or playing poker and smoking cigars for real...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    I'd would argue we're essentially the ocean walking on land. Do we not freeze or boil when the associated temperatures are applied to us in the same manner as water? I think the magnitude of water thing is somewhat irrelevant in terms of big or small. Ever seen an IV drip?...does it look like a bag of tiny little individual cells, or exactly like a bag of water? Blood doesn't pop out of us like like fish eggs when were cut....it flows out pretty good like water if you ask me. Actually if it wasn't for the red color... I'm not seeing this vastly imposed cellular limitation you speak of. There's granularity, but not the complete separation of physical characteristics that you're pertaining to.

    I never said that there was a complete separation of physical characteristics, just a relative one. Also, as to boiling and freezing. It's not that those things can't happen to us, it is that we are very adept at avoiding those things. I mean, we take our children out to play in blizzards for christ'sake !!

    Elemental water does not stand and walk, but we do. The water does not change, but what happens to it when it is trapped in us does.

    Of course, deliberate obtuseness will always defeat reason. Blood is also a non-newtonion fluid as well, so while is seems to flow like water out oof a cut, when it is flowing through our vessels , it behaves very differently.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    We aren't all that much smarter than chimps.

    http://www.monkey-proof.com
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • I never said that there was a complete separation of physical characteristics, just a relative one. Also, as to boiling and freezing. It's not that those things can't happen to us, it is that we are very adept at avoiding those things. I mean, we take our children out to play in blizzards for christ'sake !!

    Elemental water does not stand and walk, but we do. The water does not change, but what happens to it when it is trapped in us does.

    Of course, deliberate obtuseness will always defeat reason. Blood is also a non-newtonion fluid as well, so while is seems to flow like water out oof a cut, when it is flowing through our vessels , it behaves very differently.

    55% of blood is plasma of that 92% is water....

    I always thought a molecule was a molecule and ultimately behaved as such...
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    We aren't all that much smarter than chimps.

    http://www.monkey-proof.com

    Oui...bien sur...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    55% of blood is plasma of that 92% is water....

    I always thought a molecule was a molecule and ultimately behaved as such...

    Ahh, circles, and it was you who said you were not referring to water as a molecule, but as one of teh four essential elements, which is where I have been dirctling my comments since.

    Of course a molecule is a molecule, but I have said that I am not referring to the molecular behaviour of water, which of course does not change.

    The other 45% of blood is cells, mainly red cells, although that figure can be as high as 55%. It's the presence of those heavy cells which are flat bi-concave discs which makes blood a non-Newtnian fluid, despite that fact that the cells are also mostly water. Again, teh trapping of that water inside those cells affects how the fluid behaves. The Newtonian/Non Newt thing is a refenrce to fluid flow dynamics and how non-turbulent or laminar flow is achieved in our blood vessels. This is critically important to normla functioning of our cardio-vascular system, and breakdown of it is relevant ot development of heart disease.

    It's not just the physical characteristics of water that determines it's behaviour, its also the phase and what compartments it is contained in.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • Ahh, circles, and it was you who said you were not referring to water as a molecule, but as one of teh four essential elements, which is where I have been dirctling my comments since.

    Of course a molecule is a molecule, but I have said that I am not referring to the molecular behaviour of water, which of course does not change.

    The other 45% of blood is cells, mainly red cells, although that figure can be as high as 55%. It's the presence of those heavy cells which are flat bi-concave discs which makes blood a non-Newtnian fluid, despite that fact that the cells are also mostly water. Again, teh trapping of that water inside those cells affects how the fluid behaves. The Newtonian/Non Newt thing is a refenrce to fluid flow dynamics and how non-turbulent or laminar flow is achieved in our blood vessels. This is critically important to normla functioning of our cardio-vascular system, and breakdown of it is relevant ot development of heart disease.

    It's not just the physical characteristics of water that determines it's behaviour, its also the phase and what compartments it is contained in.

    that's bullshit dude...whadaya you think's inbetween those cells flowing...pizza?

    on what magnitude does water stop behaving and acting like water...

    please....tell me... you haven't so far..
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I think you are insane. That's just my belief.

    Sanity; How closely our view of reality matches reality.


    from a guy who argues our life is predetermined yet we are all born blank slates who can be made into whatever the caregiver chooses
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    that's bullshit dude...whadaya you think's inbetween those cells flowing...pizza?

    on what magnitude does water stop behaving and acting like water...

    please....tell me... you haven't so far..

    YOu are getting pretty boring !!

    It's not water that does not behave like water, it's humans that do not behave like water !! THat was the point of my original post. You asserted that because we are largely composed of water, that we behave just like it, and we clearly don't.

    Blood does not behave like water when it is flowing. It is a Non-Newtonian fluid, water is Newtonian. Printers ink is also a Non-Newtonian fluid. Water foes not flow between blood cells, it flows with them, and they interact in a specific way to produce non-turbulent flow. They do not remain evenly mixed. the blood cells form parellel layers with a water layer on the outside so that no blood cells smash into the walls of the vessels. White cells spend most of their time resting on vessel wall, safe in that "cell -free parking lane"

    The conversation is bullshit, I agree. Shame really, I see no point in further discussion , since you are clearly not interested in anything i have to say. I am also not really interested in your aggression over a trivial conversation.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • YOu are getting pretty boring !!

    It's not water that does not behave like water, it's humans that do not behave like water !! THat was the point of my original post. You asserted that because we are largely composed of water, that we behave just like it, and we clearly don't.

    Blood does not behave like water when it is flowing. It is a Non-Newtonian fluid, water is Newtonian. Printers ink is also a Non-Newtonian fluid. Water foes not flow between blood cells, it flows with them, and they interact in a specific way to produce non-turbulent flow. They do not remain evenly mixed. the blood cells form parellel layers with a water layer on the outside so that no blood cells smash into the walls of the vessels. White cells spend most of their time resting on vessel wall, safe in that "cell -free parking lane"

    The conversation is bullshit, I agree. Shame really, I see no point in further discussion , since you are clearly not interested in anything i have to say. I am also not really interested in your aggression over a trivial conversation.

    I kinda thought so 3 posts ago... arguing that water is not water because it's in our bodies seems pretty ridiculous to me... that's fine if you see it otherwise.

    I would also like to see where I said neurologically we behave and act exactly like water because we have water inside us.

    React like would be more like it... Act?...no...water does not act.. it reacts. It absorbs. It is influenced by.

    Some things are just automatically assumed no?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Our control over the water/blood or anything within our bodies is also, zombie. As coined by Francis Crick and Christof Koch. Most of the processes of our brians are zombie processes, requiring no active attention, or access consciousness as Chalmers coined it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Our control over the water/blood or anything within our bodies is also, zombie. As coined by Francis Crick and Christof Koch. Most of the processes of our brians are zombie processes, requiring no active attention, or access consciousness as Chalmers coined it.

    One of the interesting things I pulled from What The Bleep was the automatic interaction and intercommunication of the cells. It was silly and overly simplified but an interesting way of looking at the process.

    I remember reading something on how our immune system is essentially sentient or something to that effect.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    One of the interesting things I pulled from What The Bleep was the automatic interaction and intercommunication of the cells. It was silly and overly simplified but an interesting way of looking at the process.

    I remember reading something on how our immune system is essentially sentient or something to that effect.

    I like Mystery's explanation of 'You'. He says what I say in a mysterious way that is both entertaining and enlightening. The "You are a song" bit. I'm definitely going to copy that. ;)

    We are all patterns in the fabric of nature.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I like Mystery's explanation of 'You'. He says what I say in a mysterious way that is both entertaining and enlightening. The "You are a song" bit. I'm definitely going to copy that. ;)

    We are all patterns in the fabric of nature.

    Funny, you should mention. I totally remember that bit... It's stuck in my head.

    I should d/l more of his recent stuff. If anything, it's an ego boost just checking out some of the guys attending his seminars.... lol...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Water molecules are approx 2.75 Angstroms in size.

    A single red blood cell is 80,000 Angstroms in length. That's 29,090 water molecules end to end just in the length alone of a single cell of blood.

    Volume would be a much higher number altogether. In reality...that's a lot of water!

    "Think of liquid water of as a seething mass of H2O molecules in which hydrogen-bonded clusters are continually forming, breaking apart, and re-forming."

    This above is happening on a pico-second time scale...i.e. bonding...breaking...re-bonding again continously ...all within trillionths of a second.

    "Water is the most studied material on Earth but it is remarkable to find that its behavior and function are so poorly understood (or even ignored), not only by people in general, but also by scientists working with it everyday."

    Very good site on the subject:
    http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/

    2006 findings
    Curtain May be Closing on Scientific Water Controversy:
    http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/PBD-water-controversy.html

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • 'Water is H2O, hydrogen two parts, oxygen one, but there is also a third thing, that makes it water and nobody knows what it is. '

    D H Lawrence
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • 'Water is H2O, hydrogen two parts, oxygen one, but there is also a third thing, that makes it water and nobody knows what it is. '

    D H Lawrence

    :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    'Water is H2O, hydrogen two parts, oxygen one, but there is also a third thing, that makes it water and nobody knows what it is. '

    D H Lawrence

    Hehe, that's the hard question yes. What makes a table solid? What makes the trillions of synapses and neurons in our brains conscious? What makes a bunch of nucleic acid and shit alive?

    IMO. They are emergent properties we may never quite understand. But at least we know what they emerge from.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • "I have left almost to the last the magic of water, an element which owing to its changefulness of form and mood and colour and to the vast range of its effects is ever the principal source of landscape beauty, and has like music a mysterious influence over the mind." Sir George Sitwell

    "Water is the only substance on earth that is naturally present in three different forms - as a liquid, a solid (ice) and as a gas (water vapor)."
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    "Water is the only substance on earth that is naturally present in three different forms - as a liquid, a solid (ice) and as a gas (water vapor)."[/quote]

    And all three at the same time at it's triple point!!!
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    'Water is H2O, hydrogen two parts, oxygen one, but there is also a third thing, that makes it water and nobody knows what it is. '

    D H Lawrence

    ...double distilled water weighs more than water which is made by burning hydrogen in oxygen though science has not explained this discrepancy. We believe that all natural water is more than just two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen. There is something else which enables water to change its structure. We have evidence that this "something else" is ORMUS.
    The ORMUS elements appear to have the ability to initiate coherence in water and in biological systems which contain water. This means that changes to one water molecule in a glass of water can be instantly applied to all of the water molecules in that glass of water. (The same is true of changes in any biological entity.)


    What is ORMUS?

    http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus.htm

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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i havent read every single entry to this thread nor have i read the entire link posted at the start of this thread.
    water is totaly alive and has a spirit.
    read books about Shamanism, Earth medicine, Shamanistic healing.
    Shamans are on a different higher spiritual level than most.
    a Shaman will thank the water spirits he/she is drinking and bathing in.
    as well as talk to the water.
    most folks think this is insane, not the case.
    every single natural being on this Earth has a spirit.
    i did read a post in this thread about talking to plants ect.
    my neighbor has a greenhouse filled with orchids.
    these orchids have their own radio, it is on 24x7.
    everything the orchid lady touches becomes a beautiful flowering life form.
    the plants she cares for love her.
    she is amazing.
    Shamans communicate with plants and trees, every natural being.
    Even rocks.
    a Shaman medicine man/woman will tell you all these beings/spirits are communicating with human-beings.
    even water.
    its all about peace and loving energy man.
    pritty fuckin simple, yet dismissed like garbage.
    i think this thread rocks.
    thank you for placing it in here.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    chadwick wrote:
    i havent read every single entry to this thread nor have i read the entire posted at the start of this thread.
    water is totaly alive and has a spirit.
    read books about Shamanism, Earth medicine, Shamanistic healing.
    Shamans are on a different higher spiritual level than most.
    a Shaman will thank the water spirits he/she is drinking and bathing in.
    as well as talk to the water.
    most folks think this is insane, not the case.
    every single natural being on this Earth has a spirit.
    i did read a post in this thread about talking to plants ect.
    my neighbor has a greenhouse filled with orchids.
    these orchids have their own radio, it is on 24x7.
    everything the orchid lady touches becomes a beautiful flowering life form.
    the plants she cares for love her.
    she is amazing.
    Shamans communicate with plants and trees, every natural being.
    Even rocks.
    a Shaman medicine man/woman will tell you all these beings/spirits are communicating with human-beings.
    even water.
    its all about peace and loving energy man.
    pritty fuckin simple, yet dismissed like garbage.
    i think this thread rocks.
    thank you for placing it in here.

    Chadwick, Shamans are wacked out on drugs. Don't ignore your brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Chadwick, Shamans are wacked out on drugs. Don't ignore your brain.


    He doesn't appear to be.

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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Chadwick, Shamans are wacked out on drugs. Don't ignore your brain.

    ok.
    believe as you will.
    i will say dont ignore your mind, spirits positive energy.
    as well as dont ignore other beings positive energy.
    which is the case this Mother Earth is in as we speak.
    She is ignored and dismissed.
    polluted, and violated.
    that is a waste dude.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick wrote:
    i havent read every single entry to this thread nor have i read the entire link posted at the start of this thread.
    water is totaly alive and has a spirit.
    read books about Shamanism, Earth medicine, Shamanistic healing.
    Shamans are on a different higher spiritual level than most.
    a Shaman will thank the water spirits he/she is drinking and bathing in.
    as well as talk to the water.
    most folks think this is insane, not the case.
    every single natural being on this Earth has a spirit.
    i did read a post in this thread about talking to plants ect.
    my neighbor has a greenhouse filled with orchids.
    these orchids have their own radio, it is on 24x7.
    everything the orchid lady touches becomes a beautiful flowering life form.
    the plants she cares for love her.
    she is amazing.
    Shamans communicate with plants and trees, every natural being.
    Even rocks.
    a Shaman medicine man/woman will tell you all these beings/spirits are communicating with human-beings.
    even water.
    its all about peace and loving energy man.
    pritty fuckin simple, yet dismissed like garbage.
    i think this thread rocks.
    thank you for placing it in here.

    Thank you chadwick. I posted it for the people on this board like you. :)

    And thank you for your beautiful post.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    chadwick wrote:
    ok.
    believe as you will.
    i will say dont ignore your mind, spirits positive energy.
    as well as dont ignore other beings positive energy.
    which is the case this Mother Earth is in as we speak.
    She is ignored and dismissed.
    polluted, and violated.
    that is a waste dude.

    If you put your brain in a blender, what's going to happen to 'you'?

    If you give a cat LSD, does the cat have a spiritual experience?

    You can slowly dig away at your brain, don't worry once you get passed the cranium there are no more nerves, so digging at your brain won't hurt, and it's a real soft gelatin-like substance, you can suck it up through a straw. Try that and let me know what happens to 'you'.

    We are mother nature. We are not outside of nature. We exist within nature.

    Ah, but it's quite complicated how one can have a religious experience with the Christian God, Allah, Aliens, Chi or the 'Stream of Life'. It's quite puzzling how a billion people can have a billion different spiritual experiences and claim a billion different realities. What's different? A billion different brains with a billion different life experiences.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Ahnimus wrote:
    If you put your brain in a blender, what's going to happen to 'you'?

    If you give a cat LSD, does the cat have a spiritual experience?

    You can slowly dig away at your brain, don't worry once you get passed the cranium there are no more nerves, so digging at your brain won't hurt, and it's a real soft gelatin-like substance, you can suck it up through a straw. Try that and let me know what happens to 'you'.

    We are mother nature. We are not outside of nature. We exist within nature.

    Ah, but it's quite complicated how one can have a religious experience with the Christian God, Allah, Aliens, Chi or the 'Stream of Life'. It's quite puzzling how a billion people can have a billion different spiritual experiences and claim a billion different realities. What's different? A billion different brains with a billion different life experiences.

    we are Mother Earth and we are within nature and we are nature.
    its a way of life not a religious quest.
    its about being one with Mother Earth and respecting all life.
    water is you as you are water.
    matter is you as you are matter, do you matter?
    and here is a twist for you.
    you yourself are no better or greater than the water this thread is discussing.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Thank you chadwick. I posted it for the people on this board like you. :)

    And thank you for your beautiful post.

    im with ya.
    this thread kicks ass Abook.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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