I think the notion of the experiment supersedes the results. Regardless...the desired result is achieved for some...so it took place technically in some plane of existence.
I someone posts a good vibe...in reality it was just pixels..but it can/did evoke emotion, bonding good feelings etc... so it's more than just pixels in reality.
Depends on the perception and what makes one happy or more connected to another.
that's how I see it.
Yea, you can always make shit up illogically to maintain your comfort zone. Angelica has plenty of tips for doing that.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Sanity; How closely our view of reality matches reality.
Funny, you seem to be the only one lashing out emotionally here because people disagree with you. Calling friends of yours insane and stupid. What's sanity again?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Correct. I put this out here for anyone interested. I know not everyone will believe or agree and that doesn't matter to me. They can post all day long about how much they disagree, in fact. I really don't have a need to have everyone believe what I choose to believe. If they do, great...I love sharing those connections. I sure as hell won't throw a tantrum when they choose not to see eye to eye, though. All I ask for is respect when we do encounter this differences not hostility.
When people only look at the objective level of reality, they minimize the stunning depths and textures of what is truly there. I see it as the western world plague at this time. However, the times are a changing. Like what Roland referred to about it being "more than just pixels" or that it depends on perception and what makes us more happy and connected--millions of people worldwide are aware of this.
In another thread, Ahnimus is touting the virtues of neurolinguistic programming which is not considered scientific by many. So we all pick our battles to reflect our own subjective view in the end.
In the developmental psychology models, the view where besides the objective level, the vast perceptions and views of all individuals is respected, is a view that is considered to be an evolved level from the purely objective levels. Again, this level also embraces objectivity, as well. This level is where the mass of humans are headed, so we don't really have to lose sleep over it. Just put the word out, and people will gravitate to it in their own good time.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
When people only look at the objective level of reality, they minimize the stunning depths and textures of what is truly there. I see it as the western world plague at this time. However, the times are a changing. Like what Roland referred to about it being "more than just pixels" or that it depends on perception and what makes us more happy and connected--millions of people worldwide are aware of this.
In another thread, Ahnimus is touting the virtues of neurolinguistic programming which is not considered scientific by many. So we all pick our battles to reflect our own subjective view in the end.
In the developmental psychology models, the view where besides the objective level, the vast perceptions and views of all individuals is respected, is a view that is considered to be an evolved level from the purely objective levels. Again, this level also embraces objectivity, as well. This level is where the mass of humans are headed, so we don't really have to lose sleep over it. Just put the word out, and people will gravitate to it in their own good time.
As usual, you say it so so well. I'm not losing sleep over it either...I'm full of hope now moreso than ever before.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Call me insane...but I'm going to the gym because I'm already late.
There I will experience water as drink, shower, sweat, and steam (sauna). I will appreciate it in whatever form it presents itself and be happy...
catch ya'll later!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ooooh I love NLP. I have a great book on it. "Prerequisites to personal genius" by Richard Bandler.
Where does language come from?
I have a friend who worked in a spiritual/metaphysical bookstore who was into the NLP type books offered, I was into the more spiritual aspects of it, but we found a way to meet in the middle and he is actually the one who introduced me to Emoto, and Carl Jung, who does a great job at demystifying religion and mythology. Good stuff!!!
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
Ooooh I love NLP. I have a great book on it. "Prerequisites to personal genius" by Richard Bandler.
Where does language come from?
I have a friend who worked in a spiritual/metaphysical bookstore who was into the NLP type books offered, I was into the more spiritual aspects of it, but we found a way to meet in the middle and he is actually the one who introduced me to Emoto, and Carl Jung, who does a great job at demystifying religion and mythology. Good stuff!!!
NLP is based on the presupposition that we all behave perfectly according to our knowledge and view of reality. It is anti-spiritual if you ask me.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
NLP is based on the presupposition that we all behave perfectly according to our knowledge and view of reality. It is anti-spiritual if you ask me.
All of psychology is based on the fact that we all behave perfectly according to our knowledge and view of reality. This is why all views are considered valid in psychology.
NLP is its own distinct branch with myriad details.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
All of psychology is based on the fact that we all behave perfectly according to our knowledge and view of reality. This is why all views are considered valid in psychology.
NLP is its own distinct branch with myriad details.
Right, my point is it's all based on determinism. It's anti-spiritual.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
To you, who is lacking spiritual perception. To binger or myself, we perceive it differently.
I'm lacking psychosis, yes. Not something I'd be proud to have either.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's pretty obvious when you're lacking a reasoned argument, like for about the past 5 or more posts to me.
What's to argue about, you don't believe in reason. You believe in belief.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I've lots of arguments. But you don't operate within a reasonable version of reality. Any reason you throw off and call it opinion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I haven't a clue if this is sarcasm or not... but if what you mean is that a lot of people are lacking significant comprehension on the full picture of all that is to be and exists in this universe than well ...yeah...
No, not sarcasm at all.
What I am saying is that humans do not adapt to their enviromnet, we adapt our environment to suit us. We maintain a constant body temerature for a start, which freee water does not. We don't change shape constantly like water does. If i t is cold, we don't grow a coat, we put on a coat or turn on a heater or close a window. WE really don't behave anything like "elemental" water. Our water is trapped inside zillions of wee litte scells, which prevent it from behaving like free water at all.
IN short, we don't have one evolutionary trick to fit s into one niche like ost organisms do. W e have one trick which lets us adapt the world to suit our relatviely unchanging form. It's called intelligence, and the opposable thumb is a key element to implementing our thoughts.
No one is responsible for the personal insults you use except for yourself.
No one is responsible for interpreting statements as personal insults against you except yourself.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What I am saying is that humans do not adapt to their enviromnet, we adapt our environment to suit us. We maintain a constant body temerature for a start, which freee water does not. We don't change shape constantly like water does. If i t is cold, we don't grow a coat, we put on a coat or turn on a heater or close a window. WE really don't behave anything like "elemental" water. Our water is trapped inside zillions of wee litte scells, which prevent it from behaving like free water at all.
IN short, we don't have one evolutionary trick to fit s into one niche like ost organisms do. W e have one trick which lets us adapt the world to suit our relatviely unchanging form. It's called intelligence, and the opposable thumb is a key element to implementing our thoughts.
There's a few problems with what you are saying. Namely that part about humans do not adapt to their environment. Humans have been shaped through adaptation largely by their environment. Most everything for that matter. This is called evolution. How does water inside a cell not behave like water? The size of the container or cell is irrelevant. Water behaves like water...there is no particular size restriction on how water behaves short of splitting the molecule. Aside from a phase change to steam or ice, temperature is not a mitigating factor that I can see. Our form is in constant change and always has been...it takes several thousands of years to notice it. We are never the same physically from one second to the next...
.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
There's a few problems with what you are saying. Namely that part about humans do not adapt to their environment. Humans have been shaped through adaptation largely by their environment. Most everything for that matter. This is called evolution. How does water inside a cell not behave like water? The size of the container or cell is irrelevant. Water behaves like water...there is no particular size restriction on how water behaves short of splitting the molecule. Aside from a phase change to steam or ice, temperature is not a mitigating factor that I can see. Our form is in constant change and always has been...it takes several thousands of years to notice it. We are never the same physically from one second to the next...
.
Ooh, that got me interested and I just knew I could find something on how humans have adapted in the last few centuries.
In the 18th and 19th centuries, descendants of Europeans living in North America were far taller than those in Europe. In fact, they were the tallest in the world. The original indigenous population of Plains Indians was also among the tallest populations of the world at the time.[1] Several nations, including many nations in Europe, have now surpassed the US, particularly the Netherlands, the Scandinavian nations and the people from the Dinaric Alps, in south-eastern Europe. The people from the Dinaric Alps are the tallest in the world (186 cm for males).
The Netherlands was in the late nineteenth century a land renowned for its short population, but today it has the 2nd tallest average in the world,[2] with young men averaging 183 cm (6 ft) tall and only shorter than the peoples of the Dinaric Alps (Montenegro, western Bosnia, coastal and hinterland Croatia and a part of Slovenia), where males average 186 cm (6 ft 1.1 in) tall. The Dinarians and Dutch are now well known in Europe for extreme tallness. In Africa, the Maasai are known for their tallness.
Average male height in impoverished Vietnam and North Korea[3] remains comparatively small at 163 cm (5 ft 4 in) and 165 cm (5 ft 5 in), respectively. Currently, young adult North Korean males are actually significantly shorter. This contrasts greatly with the extreme growth occurring in surrounding Asian populations with correlated increasing standards of living. Young South Koreans are about 8 cm (3 inches) taller than their North Korean counterparts, on average. There is also an extreme difference between older North Koreans and young North Koreans who grew up during the famines of the 1990s-2000s.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There's a few problems with what you are saying. Namely that part about humans do not adapt to their environment. Humans have been shaped through adaptation largely by their environment. Most everything for that matter. This is called evolution. How does water inside a cell not behave like water? The size of the container or cell is irrelevant. Water behaves like water...there is no particular size restriction on how water behaves short of splitting the molecule. Aside from a phase change to steam or ice, temperature is not a mitigating factor that I can see. Our form is in constant change and always has been...it takes several thousands of years to notice it. We are never the same physically from one second to the next...
.
YOu are missing the point I am making, that humans main adaptive trick is to adopt behavioural strategies rather than long term evoultionary ones.
I am not denying that we have evolved or changed over a long period of time.
I am talking about short term changes though, over minutes to hours.
The discussion began with your comment about water taking on the phyiscal characteristics of it's surroundings.
Water in our cells certainly is still water. But macroscopically it is limited. It does not flow, for example, nor does it change temerature very much. It does not change phases either. It does not find it's own level through gravity, ie, we don't become a puddle, the water is confined into a defined shape through being trapped into cells, which are then arranged into a human shape.
YOu are missing the point I am making, that humans main adaptive trick is to adopt behavioural strategies rather than long term evoultionary ones.
I am not denying that we have evolved or changed over a long period of time.
I am talking about short term changes though, over minutes to hours.
The discussion began with your comment about water taking on the phyiscal characteristics of it's surroundings.
Water in our cells certainly is still water. But macroscopically it is limited. It does not flow, for example, nor does it change temerature very much. It does not change phases either. It does not find it's own level through gravity, ie, we don't become a puddle, the water is confined into a defined shape through being trapped into cells, which are then arranged into a human shape.
I'd would argue we're essentially the ocean walking on land. Do we not freeze or boil when the associated temperatures are applied to us in the same manner as water? I think the magnitude of water thing is somewhat irrelevant in terms of big or small. Ever seen an IV drip?...does it look like a bag of tiny little individual cells, or exactly like a bag of water? Blood doesn't pop out of us like like fish eggs when were cut....it flows out pretty good like water if you ask me. Actually if it wasn't for the red color... I'm not seeing this vastly imposed cellular limitation you speak of. There's granularity, but not the complete separation of physical characteristics that you're pertaining to.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
We evolved. If you think something different today then you did yesterday, and it opened your consciousness about another facet to this life puzzle, then you just evolved. If you learned to adapt to your environment, you evolved. We have been evolving from stardust, for billions of years. We are all the product of universal laws, gravity, light, magnetics, thermodynamics, just like the tree in my yard.
An interesting thing to consider is the Bonobo ape. A female dominated ape society, unlike their agressive chimp counterparts who fight and kill members of their own family, this group of monkeys is a sex-based society. The young males gathering food and the adult females eating first and then passing it out to the others. It was previously thought that monkeys could/did not just mate as a social habit, but alas!!
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
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Yea, you can always make shit up illogically to maintain your comfort zone. Angelica has plenty of tips for doing that.
Funny, you seem to be the only one lashing out emotionally here because people disagree with you. Calling friends of yours insane and stupid. What's sanity again?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've always enjoyed a good water fight
.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
In another thread, Ahnimus is touting the virtues of neurolinguistic programming which is not considered scientific by many. So we all pick our battles to reflect our own subjective view in the end.
In the developmental psychology models, the view where besides the objective level, the vast perceptions and views of all individuals is respected, is a view that is considered to be an evolved level from the purely objective levels. Again, this level also embraces objectivity, as well. This level is where the mass of humans are headed, so we don't really have to lose sleep over it. Just put the word out, and people will gravitate to it in their own good time.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
As usual, you say it so so well.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
There I will experience water as drink, shower, sweat, and steam (sauna). I will appreciate it in whatever form it presents itself and be happy...
catch ya'll later!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
**Splashes around in our puddles**
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Where does language come from?
I have a friend who worked in a spiritual/metaphysical bookstore who was into the NLP type books offered, I was into the more spiritual aspects of it, but we found a way to meet in the middle and he is actually the one who introduced me to Emoto, and Carl Jung, who does a great job at demystifying religion and mythology. Good stuff!!!
NLP is based on the presupposition that we all behave perfectly according to our knowledge and view of reality. It is anti-spiritual if you ask me.
NLP is its own distinct branch with myriad details.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Right, my point is it's all based on determinism. It's anti-spiritual.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
.........feel the vibe........... embraces me
I'm lacking psychosis, yes. Not something I'd be proud to have either.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
What's to argue about, you don't believe in reason. You believe in belief.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I've lots of arguments. But you don't operate within a reasonable version of reality. Any reason you throw off and call it opinion.
No, not sarcasm at all.
What I am saying is that humans do not adapt to their enviromnet, we adapt our environment to suit us. We maintain a constant body temerature for a start, which freee water does not. We don't change shape constantly like water does. If i t is cold, we don't grow a coat, we put on a coat or turn on a heater or close a window. WE really don't behave anything like "elemental" water. Our water is trapped inside zillions of wee litte scells, which prevent it from behaving like free water at all.
IN short, we don't have one evolutionary trick to fit s into one niche like ost organisms do. W e have one trick which lets us adapt the world to suit our relatviely unchanging form. It's called intelligence, and the opposable thumb is a key element to implementing our thoughts.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
No one is responsible for interpreting statements as personal insults against you except yourself.
There's a few problems with what you are saying. Namely that part about humans do not adapt to their environment. Humans have been shaped through adaptation largely by their environment. Most everything for that matter. This is called evolution. How does water inside a cell not behave like water? The size of the container or cell is irrelevant. Water behaves like water...there is no particular size restriction on how water behaves short of splitting the molecule. Aside from a phase change to steam or ice, temperature is not a mitigating factor that I can see. Our form is in constant change and always has been...it takes several thousands of years to notice it. We are never the same physically from one second to the next...
.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Ooh, that got me interested and I just knew I could find something on how humans have adapted in the last few centuries.
YOu are missing the point I am making, that humans main adaptive trick is to adopt behavioural strategies rather than long term evoultionary ones.
I am not denying that we have evolved or changed over a long period of time.
I am talking about short term changes though, over minutes to hours.
The discussion began with your comment about water taking on the phyiscal characteristics of it's surroundings.
Water in our cells certainly is still water. But macroscopically it is limited. It does not flow, for example, nor does it change temerature very much. It does not change phases either. It does not find it's own level through gravity, ie, we don't become a puddle, the water is confined into a defined shape through being trapped into cells, which are then arranged into a human shape.
I'd would argue we're essentially the ocean walking on land. Do we not freeze or boil when the associated temperatures are applied to us in the same manner as water? I think the magnitude of water thing is somewhat irrelevant in terms of big or small. Ever seen an IV drip?...does it look like a bag of tiny little individual cells, or exactly like a bag of water? Blood doesn't pop out of us like like fish eggs when were cut....it flows out pretty good like water if you ask me. Actually if it wasn't for the red color... I'm not seeing this vastly imposed cellular limitation you speak of. There's granularity, but not the complete separation of physical characteristics that you're pertaining to.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
An interesting thing to consider is the Bonobo ape. A female dominated ape society, unlike their agressive chimp counterparts who fight and kill members of their own family, this group of monkeys is a sex-based society. The young males gathering food and the adult females eating first and then passing it out to the others. It was previously thought that monkeys could/did not just mate as a social habit, but alas!!