Miraculous Messages from Water

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    And that usage connotes a spiritual element. Thus why I don't use it.

    well that is interesting to know about you ryan. so then you have not a speck of spirituality in your body? you are a total straight science guy. is that what you're telling me?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    well that is interesting to know about you ryan. so then you have not a speck of spirituality in your body? you are a total straight science guy. is that what you're telling me?

    Yes, that is what I am telling you.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yes, that is what I am telling you.

    so basically you're a machine. :D:p
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    so basically you're a machine. :D:p

    Roughly speaking, yes. All humans are.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Roughly speaking, yes. All humans are.


    man, i saw that coming. why did i not deflect? :D
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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Some of this stuff is pretty funny
    Etmo dude wrote:
    We started out with some simple sounds like "a" or "u" or "e," which evolved into more complex sounds like "love." And these positive words create "natural" crystalline structures -- which are all based on the hexagon.

    In fact, the structure of all evolution in nature, from an informational perspective, is based on the hexagon. The reason hexagons are formed has to do with the chemical reaction of the benzene ring. I believe that anything that lacks this basic hexagonal structure is out of accord with the laws of nature and holds a destructive vibration. So when we look at things that do not exist naturally -- things that have been created artificially -- many of them lack this hexagonal structure and so they have, I believe, a destructive vibration.

    All evolution is based on the hexagon? Ok, its true that bezene is hexagonal, and many important biological molecules are also based on hexagonal aromatic rings, but equally important are pentagonal rings. So according to Etmo, half of the bases in DNA are "out of accord with the laws of nature and hold a destructive vibration" ???
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Scubascott wrote:
    Some of this stuff is pretty funny

    All evolution is based on the hexagon? Ok, its true that bezene is hexagonal, and many important biological molecules are also based on hexagonal aromatic rings, but equally important are pentagonal rings. So according to Etmo, half of the bases in DNA are "out of accord with the laws of nature and hold a destructive vibration" ???

    Emoto graduated from Yokohama Municipal University with courses in International Relations, and in 1992 he received certification as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine from The Open International University for Alternative Medicine in India, an unaccredited institute with minimal academic requirements. [1]
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Scubascott wrote:
    Some of this stuff is pretty funny
    All evolution is based on the hexagon? Ok, its true that bezene is hexagonal, and many important biological molecules are also based on hexagonal aromatic rings, but equally important are pentagonal rings. So according to Etmo, half of the bases in DNA are "out of accord with the laws of nature and hold a destructive vibration" ???

    tsss, it's the yin and the yang theory. Just like sugar.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kann wrote:
    tsss, it's the yin and the yang theory. Just like sugar.

    All mankind’s troubles on the Earth are caused by his having forgotten the Great Way. Remembering the Great Way is a spiritual awareness of one’s deep connection with the entirety of creation. This involves the adoption of a mode of ‘non-action’ that is not inaction but rather a harmonisation of one’s personal will – otherwise tending towards egoism – with the natural harmony and justice of Tao.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao#Understanding_Tao

    One of the focuses of the Open International Institute of Alternate Medicine
    When you begin our programmes, you will quickly realize that your own all round development is essential to becoming a true practitioner of holistic medicine. As you study, you will also deepen and expand your spiritual evolvement through our programmes. And as you begin to live the Tao - a truthful, a natural way of life - you will learn to heal the whole person, not just the symptom or the disease.
    http://www.altmeduniversity.net/about.htm
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    All mankind’s troubles on the Earth are caused by his having forgotten the Great Way. Remembering the Great Way is a spiritual awareness of one’s deep connection with the entirety of creation. This involves the adoption of a mode of ‘non-action’ that is not inaction but rather a harmonisation of one’s personal will – otherwise tending towards egoism – with the natural harmony and justice of Tao.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao#Understanding_Tao

    One of the focuses of the Open International Institute of Alternate Medicine
    When you begin our programmes, you will quickly realize that your own all round development is essential to becoming a true practitioner of holistic medicine. As you study, you will also deepen and expand your spiritual evolvement through our programmes. And as you begin to live the Tao - a truthful, a natural way of life - you will learn to heal the whole person, not just the symptom or the disease.
    http://www.altmeduniversity.net/about.htm
    I wonder, are you taking issue with what is being said here?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I wonder, are you taking issue with what is being said here?

    Am I that transparent? ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Am I that transparent? ;)
    Who you?????????? What specifically, may I ask?
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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Kann wrote:
    tsss, it's the yin and the yang theory. Just like sugar.

    The yin and the yang theory? I can tell you another story about sugar, but it sounds like you already know it.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    That's one opinion.

    Nah, it's at least two, I believe this too, does that make it more valid to you.

    It's an undeniable fact, weight of belief does not equal weight of evidence !! NO matter how many middle-agers believed that the world was flat with a sun revolving around it, did not make it true. Noe did it make St Anthony's Fire divinne vengeance, rahter than the ergot poisoning it really was.

    New agers take a little bit of fact and spin a lot of fiction around it, then point to the litte fact to prove them right. It's wishful thinking, they want the world to be a better place, they want to believe that goo, positive thoughts will produce good outcomes. That's not the problem. It's when you mystify simple things and let people die of cnacer because they "believe" themselves cured by bullshit that it becomes a problem.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Who you?????????? What specifically, may I ask?

    Uh Emoto is a sham. Any happy-go-lucky kind of pseudoscience is doomed for failure, IMO.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Scubascott wrote:
    Some of this stuff is pretty funny



    All evolution is based on the hexagon? Ok, its true that bezene is hexagonal, and many important biological molecules are also based on hexagonal aromatic rings, but equally important are pentagonal rings. So according to Etmo, half of the bases in DNA are "out of accord with the laws of nature and hold a destructive vibration" ???

    And let's mnot forget that benzene is only twwo-dimensional hexagonal in the crude representation we draw on paper. Drawing atoms and molecules like that is convenient, but obscures the three dimensional complexity of what is really happening. UNSURPRISINGLY, IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR ERROR TO CREEP IN.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Uh Emoto is a sham. Any happy-go-lucky kind of pseudoscience is doomed for failure, IMO.
    I realize you don't support Emoto and what he stands for. What I am questioning is what you quoted about the Tao and that institute.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I realize you don't support Emoto and what he stands for. What I am questioning is what you quoted about the Tao and that institute.

    It's a fantasy world.

    See, there is a problem with being too optimistic... you are always looking for positive results, instead of seeing negative results the first 100 times you test something.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    And let's mnot forget that benzene is only twwo-dimensional hexagonal in the crude representation we draw on paper. Drawing atoms and molecules like that is convenient, but obscures the three dimensional complexity of what is really happening. UNSURPRISINGLY, IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR ERROR TO CREEP IN.

    True. It really looks like a sort of lumpy doughnut... anyway its hexagonal nature is completely unrelated to the hexagonal shape of water crystals, which stems from a different set of molecular causes altogether.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Scubascott wrote:
    The yin and the yang theory? I can tell you another story about sugar, but it sounds like you already know it.

    I was merely kidding. I don't care very much for any of this. I believe nature is not perfect and we see in this imperfection whatever we want (very much) to see, wether it's a cold chemical explanation à la Ahnimus or the thought of positive and negative vibration like the threadstarter. After all every one is free to feel what they want experience.
    I'm not sure I understand the sugar reference!
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's a fantasy world.

    See, there is a problem with being too optimistic... you are always looking for positive results, instead of seeing negative results the first 100 times you test something.
    I'm not sure what that has to do with the Tao or that school.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Kann wrote:
    I was merely kidding. I don't care very much for any of this. I believe nature is not perfect and we see in this imperfection whatever we want (very much) to see, wether it's a cold chemical explanation à la Ahnimus or the thought of positive and negative vibration like the threadstarter. After all every one is free to feel what they want experience.
    I'm not sure I understand the sugar reference!

    In that case I don't think I understand your sugar reference either. . . I was thinking more nerdy thoughts about the structure of sugar molecules. . .
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Scubascott wrote:
    In that case I don't think I understand your sugar reference either. . . I was thinking more nerdy thoughts about the structure of sugar molecules. . .

    yeah, it was that nerdy stuff. i'm sorry.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    From Dr. Andrew Weil, a harvard medical school graduate and leader in the field of integrative medicine which combines the best ideas and practices of Western and alternative medicine. It begins with comments he hears from people who seek out his integrated treatment approach :

    ' "Doctors don't take the time to listen to you and to answer your questions"
    "All they do is give you drugs; I don't want to take more drugs"
    "They said there was nothing more they could do for me"
    "They told me it would only get worse"
    "They told it I would just have to live with it"


    The last four statements are particularly disturbing because they reflect a deep pessimism about the human potential for healing. At it's most extreme, this attitude constitutes a form of medical "hexing" that I find unconscionable.

    ...I could go on and on recounting stories of medical hexing, intentional, or unintentional, funny, or more often sad... I cannot help but feel embarassed by my profession when I hear the myriad ways in which doctors convey their pessimism to patients. ...It seems strange that practitioners of the so-called healing art should have such little faith in healing. ... What are the roots of medical pessimism? One I identify is the lopsided nature of medical education which focuses almost exclusively on disease and its treatment rather than on health and its maintenance. '



    There are dynamics here that are past science and fact. That are about bad attitudes and intepretation/agenda that can be and are harmful, that stem from the doctor's/scientist's own lacking training, or unhealed psyche, and that in terms of health for example, actually contribute to health problems for individuals far and wide.

    To imagine the good/bad attitude or "vibe" a scientist or doctor brings to the situation does not contribute negatively to it is a false view. And to consider that such contribution doesn't matter when it's detrimental and due to a lack of inner health coming from the practitioner in question, is a faulty view, imo.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • ScubascottScubascott Posts: 815
    Kann wrote:
    yeah, it was that nerdy stuff. i'm sorry.

    Could you please pass the alpha-D-glucopyranosyl beta-D-fructofuranoside?

    I'm always looking for oppurtunities to work that into conversation. Ok. I'll shut up now.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • Thought I'd toss in....

    Didn't Mythbusters determine playing heavy rock or metal music on ghetto blasters in the greenhouses made their bean plants grow a lot better....no CO2 influence.

    Not sure how scientific it was but, it made for an interesting show, and they seemed convinced (plausible) by it.

    :confused:
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You aren't emitting any vibrations, certainly none that traverse the internet.

    The conflict here is maps of the world. You are a newager that believes in all kinds of feel-good shit and denies scientific facts and I am the opposite.


    You know what vibes are?

    When you treat people well......with kindness, respect, love and varying degrees of affection; depending on how well you know them and what type of people they are and their own personal disposition.

    If you don't realize that the way we treat each other, carry ourselves and the energy we give off (positive/negative), has an effect on those around us; than there's really nothing else to say.

    Despite your cold, hard science; what I just mentioned is what good vibes.....positive vibes are all about. If you're a positive, affectionate, kind and fun person to be around; people will enjoy being around you and will be drawn to you.

    If you're a negative, complaining, nasty, unkind, disrespectful person; you will turn people off and most people will not want to be around you. Unless its people who are similar.

    Good vibes.......bad vibes..........we all have them and they are real.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    NMyTree wrote:
    You know what vibes are?

    When you treat people well......with kindness, respect, love and varying degrees of affection; depending on how well you know them and what type of people they are and their own personal disposition.

    If you don't realize that the way we treat each other, carry ourselves and the energy we give off (positive/negative), has an effect on those around us; than there's really nothing else to say.

    Despite your cold, hard science; what I just mentioned is what good vibes.....positive vibes are all about. If you're a positive, affectionate, kind and fun person to be around; people will enjoy being around you and will be drawn to you.

    If you're a negative, complaining, nasty, unkind, disrespectful person; you will turn people off and most people will not want to be around you. Unless its people who are similar.

    Good vibes.......bad vibes..........we all have them and they are real.

    I totally believe in vibes; it's called intuition. I go with my gut on every decision I make whether it's a 1st impression of meeting someone, or making a difficult life decision.

    I also believe in the power of attraction...to a point. If you believe, like Ahnimus, that everything bad is going to happen, you'd better believe it will. ;)
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I also believe in the power of attraction...to a point. If you believe, like Ahnimus, that everything bad is going to happen, you'd better believe it will. ;)
    I couldn't agree more. ;)

    Tapping into bad vibes and identifying with them most definitely has consequences, just like tapping into positive affirmative vibes. :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • I like the concept that nothing really ever touches anything...it comes within a close enough distance to interact and exchange vibrational or electrical energy so to speak.

    When you pick something up or use your mouse for example your hand is not really touching anything, just exchanging energy with it.

    freaky...

    I'm undecided on the idea of writing words an a piece of paper can emit an emotion to inanimate objects. What happens of you mispell a word. Or spell live instead of love. Is their that much different energy emanating between an I and an O inkwise?

    The interpretation of the human mind however is much greater than water.

    What kinda ruined it for me is the fact the Emoto is selling his special "magic" water. Why would he do that?

    The concept is there...the practicality from a scientific approach is not. It's a very grey area.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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