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Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been democratically elected, each election gaining a higher percentage of the vote without using coercion, intimidation, or force?
Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez fell victim to a U.S. Government supported coup in 2002, in which the end results were mass riots and the military storming the presidential palace to rescue Hugo Chavez, placing him back into power within less than 72 hours of his capture?
Did you know that a group of middle and upper class Venezuelan citizens tried to pass a presidential recall referendum, in which the end result was 59% voting in favor of President Hugo Chavez?
Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is Vice President of the International Parliament for Safety and Peace, an Organization based in Italy which promotes Safety and Peace among nations by means of voluntary diplomacy?
Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez initiated a program to provide cheaper heating fuel for low income families in several areas of the United States, such as in New York City, which in itself covered 200,000 people?
Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is in the process of nationalizing formerly privatized systems such as banking, electric, and phone?
Did you know that in concern of the extreme circumstances of the upper 9th ward of New Orleans, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina?
Did you know he is trying to change the laws so that he can remain in power forever?
I heard about that. I don't know it's trustworthiness.
I think you should read the whole thread, and how Chavez is the leading independent from south america forcing the fight against corporate global hemogeny.
Did you know that a group of middle and upper class Venezuelan citizens tried to pass a presidential recall referendum, in which the end result was 59% voting in favor of President Hugo Chavez?
BAGHDAD, Iraq—The victory rallies are set and the tributes are ready. In an Iraqi yes-or-no vote on re-electing Saddam Hussein, the only cliffhanger in Tuesday's vote is whether the two-decade Iraqi leader will beat his last showing: 99.96 percent.
In Iraq, where many believe war with the United States is coming, that 1995 result for Saddam is now seen as somewhat tepid.
"This time, 100 percent!" worker Mayad Aiwan cried Sunday. "Because the Iraqi people love our leader!"
BAGHDAD, Iraq—The victory rallies are set and the tributes are ready. In an Iraqi yes-or-no vote on re-electing Saddam Hussein, the only cliffhanger in Tuesday's vote is whether the two-decade Iraqi leader will beat his last showing: 99.96 percent.
In Iraq, where many believe war with the United States is coming, that 1995 result for Saddam is now seen as somewhat tepid.
"This time, 100 percent!" worker Mayad Aiwan cried Sunday. "Because the Iraqi people love our leader!"
To compare Venezuela to Iraq is a farce. And you know it.
I'm not comparing countries - thus it's not a farce. Its just that one can find percentages to prove almost anything.
I believe that Hugo probaby was elected by the people (after an attempt to overthrow the previous government, that is). However to imply it was effortless and organic is another thing. He's not this sweet guy you seem to think he is...
"Here is an entry from Alex Boyd, one of the great latin American journalists and bloggers in the world today and a regular read of mine. Alex is an expert in Venezuelan politics from a street level and not a lacky of the dictator like much of the propaganda you see spun on the web. Alex Boyd provides actual photos and images from the real events in the end of democracy in Venezuela.
“This week we have been treated to a unique spectacle: the illegal decision of Hugo Chavez to close RCTV, Venezuela´s oldest and largest TV network, has predictably drawn a string of criticism from international human rights NGOs, the European Parliament and the US Congress. It would be rather difficult to find an issue that can achieve such consensus from all sides of the political divide. For curtailing freedom of expression is one such issue amongst the world’s democrats, and as in the UK anti benefit fraud campaign “no ifs, no buts…” if an elected leader of a given country is caught closing a media conglomerate solely on the basis of personal animosity to its editorial lines, said leader forfeits the privilege to call himself/herself democratic. Quite simple really, for one of the fundamental principles of democracy is the right to freely express one´s thoughts, read the right to criticise elected civil servants. When civil servants become deranged, letting the reins of galloping megalomania loose, and convincing themselves of their utter infallibility they must believe feasible and acceptable doing with a country and all its citizens what they please, as if it were a personal fiefdom. Then they go round closing TV networks, confiscating private property, nationalising industries, pilling up weapons, fuelling narcoguerrillas and funding continental `revolutions,´ imprisoning and assassinating political foes, and espousing a characteristically imperial behaviour. History is chock full of examples, Hugo Chavez has become just one of the latest.”
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I'm not comparing countries - thus it's not a farce. Its just that one can find percentages to prove almost anything.
I believe that Hugo probaby was elected by the people (after an attempt to overthrow the previous government, that is). However to imply it was effortless and organic is another thing. He's not this sweet guy you seem to think he is...
"Here is an entry from Alex Boyd, one of the great latin American journalists and bloggers in the world today and a regular read of mine. Alex is an expert in Venezuelan politics from a street level and not a lacky of the dictator like much of the propaganda you see spun on the web. Alex Boyd provides actual photos and images from the real events in the end of democracy in Venezuela.
“This week we have been treated to a unique spectacle: the illegal decision of Hugo Chavez to close RCTV, Venezuela´s oldest and largest TV network, has predictably drawn a string of criticism from international human rights NGOs, the European Parliament and the US Congress. It would be rather difficult to find an issue that can achieve such consensus from all sides of the political divide. For curtailing freedom of expression is one such issue amongst the world’s democrats, and as in the UK anti benefit fraud campaign “no ifs, no buts…” if an elected leader of a given country is caught closing a media conglomerate solely on the basis of personal animosity to its editorial lines, said leader forfeits the privilege to call himself/herself democratic. Quite simple really, for one of the fundamental principles of democracy is the right to freely express one´s thoughts, read the right to criticise elected civil servants. When civil servants become deranged, letting the reins of galloping megalomania loose, and convincing themselves of their utter infallibility they must believe feasible and acceptable doing with a country and all its citizens what they please, as if it were a personal fiefdom. Then they go round closing TV networks, confiscating private property, nationalising industries, pilling up weapons, fuelling narcoguerrillas and funding continental `revolutions,´ imprisoning and assassinating political foes, and espousing a characteristically imperial behaviour. History is chock full of examples, Hugo Chavez has become just one of the latest.”
LOL.
this is old news. refuted, tossed out, ridiculous.
also, i don't think any guy is sweet. i don't swing that way.
this is old news. refuted, tossed out, ridiculous.
also, i don't think any guy is sweet. i don't swing that way.
So he hasn't jailed journalists, nor is he nationalizing oil production, nor did he threaten to take-over/nationalize food retailers unless they sell certain foods at certain prices?
...and some of us DO swing that way.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
So he hasn't jailed journalists, nor is he nationalizing oil production, nor did he threaten to take-over/nationalize food retailers unless they sell certain foods at certain prices?
...and some of us DO swing that way.
Do you have nice buns?
If I'm in Venezuela can I buy some fresh ones in the street corner bakery?
I don't really want to argue with you on this, because we both know the answer.
BAGHDAD, Iraq—The victory rallies are set and the tributes are ready. In an Iraqi yes-or-no vote on re-electing Saddam Hussein, the only cliffhanger in Tuesday's vote is whether the two-decade Iraqi leader will beat his last showing: 99.96 percent.
In Iraq, where many believe war with the United States is coming, that 1995 result for Saddam is now seen as somewhat tepid.
"This time, 100 percent!" worker Mayad Aiwan cried Sunday. "Because the Iraqi people love our leader!"
I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS COMMENT! REMOVE IT FROM THE THREAD! IT IS OF NO INTELLECTUAL VALUE!
I THINK BROKENDAVE IS BREAKING DOWN FROM THE STRESS OF TRYING TO DEFEND A BRUTAL DICTATOR STOP. I HOPE YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR SANITY DURING YOUR STAY IN VENEZUELA STOP. GOOD LUCK IN THE COMMUNIST RE-EDUCATION CAMPS STOP.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
I THINK BROKENDAVE IS BREAKING DOWN FROM THE STRESS OF TRYING TO DEFEND A BRUTAL DICTATOR STOP. I HOPE YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR SANITY DURING YOUR STAY IN VENEZUELA STOP. GOOD LUCK IN THE COMMUNIST RE-EDUCATION CAMPS STOP.
ROFLMFAO! I gotta give you props for that one.
~However~
By saying Hugo Chavez is a brutal dictator, you are marginalizing the label. He is by no means brutal (he isn't going around murdering his opposition), and he is a democratically elected president, and therefore it is impossible for him to be a dictator. The people are free in Venezuela. However, the few things he has done to attract so much attention are indeed horrible.
Again I say, the people of Venezuela must stand up against these tactics. Nonetheless, these tactics do not indicate he is a dictator by any means.
...
Oh, god... where have all of the rational people gone on this thread? Where is Kenny Olav when you need him? Gue Barium, where have they all gone? Seems like a bunch of white hats around here...
Lien, thanks for your kind words, you're very smart too . I liked your post and agree with it for the most part.
OK, sorry I couldn't post in the thread, but I was away for the whole week on official duty in Ecuador. Ironically, who arrived to the hotel I was staying at on Wednesday night? Yeap, the man himself!
I promise if there's anything that I feel I could contribute to this thread I'll post on Monday.
brokendave, I'm not sure how much we agree on things. For example, I totally oppose central planned economies and I'm not opposed, by principle, to privatizations.
Lien, thanks for your kind words, you're very smart too . I liked your post and agree with it for the most part.
OK, sorry I couldn't post in the thread, but I was away for the whole week on official duty in Ecuador. Ironically, who arrived to the hotel I was staying at on Wednesday night? Yeap, the man himself!
I promise if there's anything that I feel I could contribute to this thread I'll post on Monday.
brokendave, I'm not sure how much we agree on things. For example, I totally oppose central planned economies and I'm not opposed, by principle, to privatizations.
Everybody have a nice weekend!
Caterina
We agree that:
1. Venezuelans should be opposing Chavez's new rulings as it sets a precident.
2. Chavez should not compromise the people's freedom to reach his goals.
There's no such thing in business as 'no hierarchy'. I don't know where brokendave is coming from there.
I am speaking of a society where the workers manage the work place themselves. I don't think I spoke directly of business in this manner. It is more in the idea that production is accomplished by an organized set of workers to provide a product or service to the public. Whereas, the profit motive could be applied here, I didn't suggest that it was.
I am speaking of something known as anarcho-syndicalism.
Chavez?? Getting this much air time?? he does not deserve all of this attention. Now when he releases his sex tape with his Anti-American butt buddy Sean Penn we'll talk. LOL
Many many wonderful shows, since day one.
Love ya Punkinfur
Hugo Chavez, like most devoted Marxists, is a giant fascist douche. And not in the "he makes me feel icky" way the left describes George W. but in very real supression of his political opponents and his forceful control of private industry.
So this life is sacrifice...
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
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That would be:
Muchos gracias.
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Did you know he is trying to change the laws so that he can remain in power forever?
I heard about that. I don't know it's trustworthiness.
I think you should read the whole thread, and how Chavez is the leading independent from south america forcing the fight against corporate global hemogeny.
In some circles it is known as Imperialism.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq—The victory rallies are set and the tributes are ready. In an Iraqi yes-or-no vote on re-electing Saddam Hussein, the only cliffhanger in Tuesday's vote is whether the two-decade Iraqi leader will beat his last showing: 99.96 percent.
In Iraq, where many believe war with the United States is coming, that 1995 result for Saddam is now seen as somewhat tepid.
"This time, 100 percent!" worker Mayad Aiwan cried Sunday. "Because the Iraqi people love our leader!"
http://media.www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/storage/paper244/news/2002/10/14/WorldReport/Iraq-To.Hold.Election.For.Saddam.Hussein-296365.shtml
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
To compare Venezuela to Iraq is a farce. And you know it.
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I'm not comparing countries - thus it's not a farce. Its just that one can find percentages to prove almost anything.
I believe that Hugo probaby was elected by the people (after an attempt to overthrow the previous government, that is). However to imply it was effortless and organic is another thing. He's not this sweet guy you seem to think he is...
"Here is an entry from Alex Boyd, one of the great latin American journalists and bloggers in the world today and a regular read of mine. Alex is an expert in Venezuelan politics from a street level and not a lacky of the dictator like much of the propaganda you see spun on the web. Alex Boyd provides actual photos and images from the real events in the end of democracy in Venezuela.
“This week we have been treated to a unique spectacle: the illegal decision of Hugo Chavez to close RCTV, Venezuela´s oldest and largest TV network, has predictably drawn a string of criticism from international human rights NGOs, the European Parliament and the US Congress. It would be rather difficult to find an issue that can achieve such consensus from all sides of the political divide. For curtailing freedom of expression is one such issue amongst the world’s democrats, and as in the UK anti benefit fraud campaign “no ifs, no buts…” if an elected leader of a given country is caught closing a media conglomerate solely on the basis of personal animosity to its editorial lines, said leader forfeits the privilege to call himself/herself democratic. Quite simple really, for one of the fundamental principles of democracy is the right to freely express one´s thoughts, read the right to criticise elected civil servants. When civil servants become deranged, letting the reins of galloping megalomania loose, and convincing themselves of their utter infallibility they must believe feasible and acceptable doing with a country and all its citizens what they please, as if it were a personal fiefdom. Then they go round closing TV networks, confiscating private property, nationalising industries, pilling up weapons, fuelling narcoguerrillas and funding continental `revolutions,´ imprisoning and assassinating political foes, and espousing a characteristically imperial behaviour. History is chock full of examples, Hugo Chavez has become just one of the latest.”
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
LOL.
this is old news. refuted, tossed out, ridiculous.
also, i don't think any guy is sweet. i don't swing that way.
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So he hasn't jailed journalists, nor is he nationalizing oil production, nor did he threaten to take-over/nationalize food retailers unless they sell certain foods at certain prices?
...and some of us DO swing that way.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Do you have nice buns?
If I'm in Venezuela can I buy some fresh ones in the street corner bakery?
I don't really want to argue with you on this, because we both know the answer.
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No, I do support it because he is building (Intentionally or not, it doesn't matter) towards what I support.
NO THEY AREN'T CINCY! GOD! STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO COME OFF AS SOMEONE WHO IS CONSTANTLY MISLEAD!
I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS COMMENT! REMOVE IT FROM THE THREAD! IT IS OF NO INTELLECTUAL VALUE!
I THINK BROKENDAVE IS BREAKING DOWN FROM THE STRESS OF TRYING TO DEFEND A BRUTAL DICTATOR STOP. I HOPE YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR SANITY DURING YOUR STAY IN VENEZUELA STOP. GOOD LUCK IN THE COMMUNIST RE-EDUCATION CAMPS STOP.
-Enoch Powell
ROFLMFAO! I gotta give you props for that one.
~However~
By saying Hugo Chavez is a brutal dictator, you are marginalizing the label. He is by no means brutal (he isn't going around murdering his opposition), and he is a democratically elected president, and therefore it is impossible for him to be a dictator. The people are free in Venezuela. However, the few things he has done to attract so much attention are indeed horrible.
Again I say, the people of Venezuela must stand up against these tactics. Nonetheless, these tactics do not indicate he is a dictator by any means.
...
Oh, god... where have all of the rational people gone on this thread? Where is Kenny Olav when you need him? Gue Barium, where have they all gone? Seems like a bunch of white hats around here...
Lien, thanks for your kind words, you're very smart too
OK, sorry I couldn't post in the thread, but I was away for the whole week on official duty in Ecuador. Ironically, who arrived to the hotel I was staying at on Wednesday night? Yeap, the man himself!
I promise if there's anything that I feel I could contribute to this thread I'll post on Monday.
brokendave, I'm not sure how much we agree on things. For example, I totally oppose central planned economies and I'm not opposed, by principle, to privatizations.
Everybody have a nice weekend!
Caterina
We agree that:
1. Venezuelans should be opposing Chavez's new rulings as it sets a precident.
2. Chavez should not compromise the people's freedom to reach his goals.
I am speaking of a society where the workers manage the work place themselves. I don't think I spoke directly of business in this manner. It is more in the idea that production is accomplished by an organized set of workers to provide a product or service to the public. Whereas, the profit motive could be applied here, I didn't suggest that it was.
I am speaking of something known as anarcho-syndicalism.
Love ya Punkinfur
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul