El Presidente Hugo Chavez!

CorporateWhore

gue_barium wrote:

Good god, you get yourself hung up on a word. I don't understand that. I won't call you insane, as you have me, because I know better.

What I can say is that you are among a large population of folks that hate for the sake of hating, and it really gets tiresome.

I don't hate Dubya, but I bet you think I do.

Look at it this way: the "communism" of the USSR, back in the day, sought to distribute currency in a different way. A new way. It was neither Communist, or Socialist or Capitalist in the way that you choose to believe those words to mean. It was just different. There a billion different ways to distribute currency.

Now you tell me. Who decides that?

So you want to discuss Marxism-Leninism?

Um, alright. Command economies distribute currency by requiring certain amounts of goods to be made in response to the perceived demand. Problem is: the guy who runs the system can never know exactly how much to produce. What results is an inefficient response to the needs of the people. Also, shoddy workmanship, rationing lines, and depression result from a command economy, necessarily.

This system of distribution can never efficiently distribute goods as well as the free market system. As soon as a demand is present, a supply (business) opens to fill that demand because the supply (business) wants to profit - he has a desire to become wealthy. It's a selfish desire.

Socialism ignores selfish desires in favor of group desires. People are not inclined to think of others when they happen to be starving though, so that system will never work. There's no "incentive."

Yes, the USSR came up with a different system but it is a system that will only fail every time it is tried.

polaris

i would trust caterina over wikipedia when it comes to venezuela ... she's a smart one

having said that - why must we look towards venezuela for guidance and since when have they become the beacon of socialism?? ...

there are no perfect situations in this world simply because for any one system to be truly effective - you need complete buy in from everyone ... nowhere has that ...

why not look towards scandinavia where they practice a form of socialism that puts them near or at the top of the list of best standard of living studies?

venezuela is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place ... a moderate leader may not work in a continent that has a history of cia/US involvement ... i dunno ... but the americans have fucked that continent over like every other - it's hard to come in and not be worried you aren't being screwed over by some interest group ...

gue_barium

CorporateWhore wrote:

So you want to discuss Marxism-Leninism?

Um, alright. Command economies distribute currency by requiring certain amounts of goods to be made in response to the perceived demand. Problem is: the guy who runs the system can never know exactly how much to produce. What results is an inefficient response to the needs of the people. Also, shoddy workmanship, rationing lines, and depression result from a command economy, necessarily.

This system of distribution can never efficiently distribute goods as well as the free market system. As soon as a demand is present, a supply (business) opens to fill that demand because the supply (business) wants to profit - he has a desire to become wealthy. It's a selfish desire.

Socialism ignores selfish desires in favor of group desires. People are not inclined to think of others when they happen to be starving though, so that system will never work. There's no "incentive."

Yes, the USSR came up with a different system but it is a system that will only fail every time it is tried.

The banking system as a whole, all around the world, including here in the USA, requires failure in order to succeed.

gue_barium

polaris wrote:

i would trust caterina over wikipedia when it comes to venezuela ... she's a smart one

She is. I know it looks that I were putting her down, but we were able to share some info one day on the events of 2002, and I think we both learned some things.

freedomboy

jlew24asu wrote:

brokendave from chicago? WTF?? good thing CaterinaA is around. she owned your ass.

Chavez for dictator! OLAAAA OYLAAA OLLLAAAA OLLLLLA!!!!

There wasn't an argument or contest for her to have owned me in. We had a discussion, and she has differing opinions. I think we agree more than we disagree... which many of you would find true between us if you'd stop judging my defense of President Chavez, and simply start a dialog between us...

jlew24asu

brokendave wrote:

There wasn't an argument or contest for her to have owned me in. We had a discussion, and she has differing opinions. I think we agree more than we disagree... which many of you would find true between us if you'd stop judging my defense of President Chavez, and simply start a dialog between us...

I see no good defense for chavez. he is nothing more then a dictator intent on taking away the freedoms of the people in his country

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

I see no good defense for chavez. he is nothing more then a dictator intent on taking away the freedoms of the people in his country

And you are?

I mean.

Who are you?

Drew263

Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been democratically elected, each election gaining a higher percentage of the vote without using coercion, intimidation, or force?


Saddam told us the same thing.

gue_barium

Drew263 wrote:

Did you know that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been democratically elected, each election gaining a higher percentage of the vote without using coercion, intimidation, or force?


Saddam told us the same thing.

Yes?

Didn't Jimmy Carter, among many others from abroad, preside over the Venezuelan elections and report there wasn't any nonsense going on?

I don't think Saddam gave that privilege.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

And you are?

I mean.

Who are you?

here we go again. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you

freedomboy

Orestes wrote:

Why is this thread still relevant?

All I've been reading is some bickering between three people about how many venezuelan's they know and their definition of a dictatorship.

CaterinaA had some pretty meaningful things to say but it seems like it just went over your heads.

Brokendave, have you ever spent $20+ to buy a Che Guevara shirt? Just asking...

Reason of Importance: CaterinaA still has some things to say here I think.

Apparently it is you who has the happening of this tread flying over their head. Her and I have come to some understandings and common ground I think. I understand that Chavez isn't doing everything the right way. But you should understand that ultimately, what he is trying to accomplish, I support... and I think he is a better leader than many. Again, I think every Venezuelan has the right to stand up and demand and complain at this point though, as you should be doing.

If you are going to toss insults... stfu. Che has become an icon in the t-shirts made by random mega globalized corporations arena. Are you going to start telling me what a murderous fuck Che Guevara is now? Che believed in a cause and fought to his death for it. He wasn't perfect, but NOBODY IS! Fuck off, in advance for saying otherwise.

BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS MADE MISTAKES, DOESN'T MEAN THEY DESERVE TO BE WRITTEN OFF COMPLETELY! THERE IS GOOD IN WHAT CHAVEZ HAS DONE, AS WELL AS WHAT CHE DID, AND WHAT CASTRO HAS DONE.

p.s. if I get banned for saying "fuck", or "fuck off" or "shut the fuck up"... there is a giant middle finger waiting for the admin that does it. I am not insulting anyone here.

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

here we go again. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you

Maybe I love you.

And we can go away together somewhere. And have sex.

And I can get caught coming to visit you in your house on that "to catch a predator" program.

then I will be famous.

jeffbr

brokendave wrote:

Are you going to start telling me what a murderous fuck Che Guevara is now? Che believed in a cause and fought to his death for it. He wasn't perfect, but NOBODY IS! Fuck off, in advance for saying otherwise.

Che Guevara was a murderous fuck. He probably smelled bad, too.

freedomboy

gue_barium wrote:

...Caterina is towing the opposition line, and she and I have gone over it before.

Amen brother! Although, I still believe you can learn something from anyone... So, I will not write Caterina off just yet. I am weary that anything she says will be manipulated when she decides to play on ignorance though...

Caterina? Want to join in on this one?

jeffbr

gue_barium wrote:

Maybe I love you.

And we can go away together somewhere. And have sex.

And I can get caught coming to visit you in your house on that "to catch a predator" program.

then I will be famous.

I really don't get the gay angle. Why did you, and that dude who got banned yesterday, decide to start tagging jlew as gay? I don't get it at all. And even if he were gay, why is that something that would be belittled or made a joke of?

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

Maybe I love you.

And we can go away together somewhere. And have sex.

And I can get caught coming to visit you in your house on that "to catch a predator" program.

then I will be famous.

I just threw up in my mouth. and im sure you have been on the show already

freedomboy

jeffbr wrote:

I really don't get the gay angle. Why did you, and that dude who got banned yesterday, decide to start tagging jlew as gay? I don't get it at all. And even if he were gay, why is that something that would be belittled or made a joke of?

I think he was playing on their homophobia, not hinting that jeffbr is a homosexual... or were you joking?

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

I really don't get the gay angle. Why did you, and that dude who got banned yesterday, decide to start tagging jlew as gay? I don't get it at all. And even if he were gay, why is that something that would be belittled or made a joke of?

Gay is a tag?

For one thing, I don't know Jlew's gender.

For another, I do know a freeper (whether he /she is conscious of what he/she is posting is another matter) when I see one.

Thirdly, I despise ignorance (read: freepers), and do my best to inform. When good intentions go unheeded, then I know it's time for fun.

CorporateWhore

Don't hate on gay people. That's my job...:D just kidding mods.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

Gay is a tag?

For one thing, I don't know Jlew's gender.

For another, I do know a freeper (whether he /she is conscious of what he/she is posting is another matter) when I see one.

Thirdly, I despise ignorance (read: freepers), and do my best to inform. When good intentions go unheeded, then I know it's time for fun.

its probably extremely hard to figure out my the myspace page that I am a 27 year old male.

its quite confusing with all your pedophile and gay jokes. odd really