gun control:i dont understand...

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

first of all; it's hard to respect someone who doesn't show respect. what you said to ahnimus was out of line. he deserves more respect. he and i lock horns more than any 2 people here; but i respect him for his knowledge and his unbiased posting of stats.

inever said anything to him? so what was out of line? he called me a half-wit alcoholic because i posted about Iceland... how is that out of line?

now; there are 10,000 gun deaths in the us per year. we have a population of about 330 million, not counting 15 million illegals. you do the math. there are approximately 40,000 deaths caused by drunk drivers. if your true interest is saving lives; you should be concentrating on banning alcohol. it would save 4 times more lives. alcohol is the biggest killer of kids under the age of 21 both directly and indirectly. (per MADD). you would save many more children by banning alcohol. you told me your interest was saving lives and particularly the lives of children. if that's true, you must be open minded to the real problems and not fixate on an inanimate object.

you claim banning guns wouldnt decrease the murder rates... and then go on to say "..you would save many more children by banning alcohol...." what is it to be? you've just said that the banning of something will result in fewer deaths caused by that something... thats hypocritical.

on a side note alcohol wasnt invented with the sole use of killing and maiming... the gun was... this is why the 'ban the car, kitchen knife, baseball bat' posts are instantly dismissive... so alcohol causes many many deaths... and yet i agree that that it should be strictly controlled, sold to only those over 21, etc etc etc... very strong on the sale of alcohol in the states considering its mighty death toll... yet unnervingly flippant on the sle of guns in some states... all i'm saying is perhaps tighten up the gun legislation.. you are a keen gun owner and you claim that you'll never kill anyone with those guns innocently... but then so was Thomas Hamilton... he then killed a classroom of schoolchildren in Dunblane, Scotland... one of which was related to me. so at last you know why i'm so strongly opinionated on the subject

Ahnimus

dunkman wrote:

c'mon ahnimus... you know nothing about me and me nothing about you... to call me a symbol of half-wit alcoholism is clutching at greased straws... and i've already said that unless you would say that to my face you really shouldn't be saying it on a forum, where you can hide behind the monitor

I know a little bit about you. I know you are popular on the AET for your abbrasive and ludicrous statements. I know you spend a large portion of your time sucking on the end of an alcoholic pacifier. I wouldn't make those statements to your face because I wouldn't be in the same forum as you. You'd be at the local pub getting shitfaced and I'd be at home reading the latest publication of Skeptic magazine. But here, instead of posting on the AAT your getting involved in a debate and I just found your argument to be shallow and pointless. I will submit to you that my response was emotionally and politically motivated. And pointing out your drug abuse problems is not really applicable to the topic, rather, it is fallacious to degrade a person's mental capacity rather than their argument.

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

we may not know you personally; but that is the way you portray yourself. if someone dissagrees with you; your first instinct is to fight. that is the sign of an alcoholic. you constantly badmouth people; another sign of an alcoholic. you stomp your feet and insist your right when you don't know all the information; yet another sign. when the evidence is laid out for you in black and white; you refuse to accept it; another sign of an alcoholic. i could go on but i won't embarrass you here. i've been here many years and your posts are predictable and consistant. thus proving the analisis is not based on todays encounter.

wow... how laughable... iwould say about 80% of my posts are done during my working hours.. i'm very rarely on at night unless its near gig time or i'm on a PJ music buzz.. so if come across as an alcoholic then you might want to get out more and meet alcoholics... they cant even spell 'keyboar' let alone use one.

but thanks for the laugh

now; it seems that you're the one bad mouthing people and threatening them while hiding behind a monitor. it seems 9 out of 10 of your posts include a threat. YOUR the one posting them on a forum and NOT making them to our faces.

did your friend forward a message did he? i would say anything i say on this forum to anyones face... i mean what i say and i would definitely say it... i have nothing to hide in that respect... but trust me, if ahnimus met me and called me a half-wit alcoholic to my face i'd probably shake his hand for having the balls to do it... but my gut feeling is that he'd wouldnt.. so why do it here?

dunkman

Ahnimus wrote:

I know a little bit about you. I know you are popular on the AET for your abbrasive and ludicrous statements. I know you spend a large portion of your time sucking on the end of an alcoholic pacifier. I wouldn't make those statements to your face because I wouldn't be in the same forum as you. You'd be at the local pub getting shitfaced and I'd be at home reading the latest publication of Skeptic magazine. But here, instead of posting on the AAT your getting involved in a debate and I just found your argument to be shallow and pointless. I will submit to you that my response was emotionally and politically motivated. And pointing out your drug abuse problems is not really applicable to the topic, rather, it is fallacious to degrade a person's mental capacity rather than their argument.

you wouldnt make them to my face as a result of your duplicity..

its my popularity that bothers you?

thats shallow and pointless... not to mention constant alluding to me having some alcohol dependancy... brilliant diagnosis.. with such a brilliant mind such as yours you must surely be writing thesis and books on a vast amount of subjects... no wait.. you work night shift at a call centre... keep with that, you're the intelligent hero no-one likes.. i'm a popular drunk.. . i like it that way

harmless_little_f***

Ahnimus wrote:

I know a little bit about you. I know you are popular on the AET for your abbrasive and ludicrous statements. I know you spend a large portion of your time sucking on the end of an alcoholic pacifier. I wouldn't make those statements to your face because I wouldn't be in the same forum as you. You'd be at the local pub getting shitfaced and I'd be at home reading the latest publication of Skeptic magazine. But here, instead of posting on the AAT your getting involved in a debate and I just found your argument to be shallow and pointless. I will submit to you that my response was emotionally and politically motivated. And pointing out your drug abuse problems is not really applicable to the topic, rather, it is fallacious to degrade a person's mental capacity rather than their argument.

He's popular because he's a good man.

I don't know you very well but as far as I know you're not, probably because you're an abusive, miserable arsehole.

Ahnimus

dunkman wrote:

you wouldnt make them to my face as a result of your duplicity..

its my popularity that bothers you?

thats shallow and pointless... not to mention constant alluding to me having some alcohol dependancy... brilliant diagnosis.. with such a brilliant mind such as yours you must surely be writing thesis and books on a vast amount of subjects... no wait.. you work night shift at a call centre... keep with that, you're the intelligent hero no-one likes.. i'm a popular drunk.. . i like it that way

Your popularity doesn't bother me so much as why you are popular. You are popular because small talk and ignorance is popular. I do happen to write a lot on different subjects on a lot of different forums, attempting to interact directly with the public, thus making me very unpopular. However, I spend even more time educating myself on the subjects I write about.

I think an apology of some sort is in order, as I stated my comments weren't necessary or applicable. My previous few posts have made some attempt at reconciling the recent events and preventing this conflict from further escalation which I take responsibility for promoting to begin with. I can understand that these tactile attempts may have evaded your attention so I state them explicitly now.

btw, I didn't share your PM with anyone.

Ahnimus

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

He's popular because he's a good man.

I don't know you very well but as far as I know you're not, probably because you're an abusive, miserable arsehole.

As I mentioned before, I'm not an asshole, I'm a lower esophageal sphincter, a.k.a Cardia. A little bit up from an asshole, it's the sphinctoral junction between the esophagus and the stomach, a little less dirty than the anal sphincter. Regardless, I would advise you don't get involved and allow the conflict to settle peacefully between Dunk and myself.

harmless_little_f***

Ahnimus wrote:

Your popularity doesn't bother me so much as why you are popular. You are popular because small talk and ignorance is popular. I do happen to write a lot on different subjects on a lot of different forums, attempting to interact directly with the public, thus making me very unpopular.

Interacting with the public? What are you the pope? Get your head out of your arse.

Ahnimus

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Interacting with the public? What are you the pope? Get your head out of your arse.

The pope is useless to me. Even worse than ignorance, the pope deliberately lies to his people.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Just don't call a loch a lake or the shit hits the fan

lol...

Anon

Ahnimus wrote:

You are popular because small talk and ignorance is popular. I do happen to write a lot on different subjects on a lot of different forums, attempting to interact directly with the public, thus making me very unpopular.

ooooh i dunno about you being very unpopular. ols seems to be very fond of you. how adorable.

onelongsong wrote:

thank you. thank you a million times for being there and having the facts at hand. you're the smartest bloke i know. you know right where to find information. the most respect i have for you is your willingness to post the truth; even when it goes against your opinion. you're a pillar amoung men.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

For the record I like Ahnimus's posts.

jeffbr

dunkman wrote:

no i didnt.. i said that there are no guns on iceland yet murder rate was almost 0%.. i never said it decreased nor increased... i just sated how low they actually are and yet they have no guns.. what you infer from that is up to you.

Perhaps it is cultural and has nothing to do with guns. The stat you posted was absolutely meaningless to this debate.

Heineken Helen

onelongsong wrote:

we may not know you personally; but that is the way you portray yourself. if someone dissagrees with you; your first instinct is to fight. that is the sign of an alcoholic. you constantly badmouth people; another sign of an alcoholic. you stomp your feet and insist your right when you don't know all the information; yet another sign. when the evidence is laid out for you in black and white; you refuse to accept it; another sign of an alcoholic. i could go on but i won't embarrass you here. i've been here many years and your posts are predictable and consistant. thus proving the analisis is not based on todays encounter.

now; it seems that you're the one bad mouthing people and threatening them while hiding behind a monitor. it seems 9 out of 10 of your posts include a threat. YOUR the one posting them on a forum and NOT making them to our faces.

:eek: WOW! What a load of bullshit. All that is just a sign he's a stubborn fucker... I fail to see the relation between being argumentative and being an alcoholic... sure, the two CAN be related but both can exist without eachother. I woulda thought you two would know that

FinsburyParkCarrots

Heineken Helen wrote:

:eek: WOW! What a load of bullshit. All that is just a sign he's a stubborn fucker... I fail to see the relation between being argumentative and being an alcoholic... sure, the two CAN be related but both can exist without eachother. I woulda thought you two would know that

All I can say is, I hope no-one dares start a "Moving Train poster of the year" thread, this year.

Heineken Helen

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

All I can say is, I hope no-one dares start a "Moving Train poster of the year" thread, this year.

Besides, for either of them to suggest that DUNK is stubborn, argumentative, etc... well pot and kettle spring to mind straight away That's RICH!

callen

catefrances wrote:

who said anything about appeasing the bleeding hearts that live nowhere near the US? i was just wondering about the mindset of the american people when these shootings occur. im trying to understand why nothing appears to ever be done to curb the enthusiasm for guns that american society seems to have. as an outsider i can tell you that we look at the United States and wonder what the fuck it would take for a change to happen.

Getting back on Topic.....many humans are easily manipulated by fear. In the US its ingrained in our brains that we should be in constant fear....how Bush's puppet masters easily convinced us to attack an enemy that didn't exist. Also American White Humans have this need to protect there Lilly white pure women from being raped by minorities. This is a big part of many wanting to keep their arms...prejudice. American humans are also quite selfish...so yea we see some innocent humans being killed but look the other way as we don't want to relinquish our "Rights". These killings raised very few emotions......wasn't even a blip around the water cooler at work...or freinds and family... I'm betting CNN & the local news channel's were pissed that this didn't draw more ratings....the dumb schmuck that killed these folks would be disappointed at how little people gave a shit.......just another day.

Course there is always a benefit to everything...this is a form of population control and fortunately those that bear arms are more likely to die from them than those that don't...so maybe in a few thousand years the easily frightened will be no more...its evolution baby.

NCfan

callen wrote:

Getting back on Topic.....many humans are easily manipulated by fear. In the US its ingrained in our brains that we should be in constant fear....how Bush's puppet masters easily convinced us to attack an enemy that didn't exist. Also American White Humans have this need to protect there Lilly white pure women from being raped by minorities. This is a big part of many wanting to keep their arms...prejudice. American humans are also quite selfish...so yea we see some innocent humans being killed but look the other way as we don't want to relinquish our "Rights". These killings raised very few emotions......wasn't even a blip around the water cooler at work...or freinds and family... I'm betting CNN & the local news channel's were pissed that this didn't draw more ratings....the dumb schmuck that killed these folks would be disappointed at how little people gave a shit.......just another day.

Course there is always a benefit to everything...this is a form of population control and fortunately those that bear arms are more likely to die from them than those that don't...so maybe in a few thousand years the easily frightened will be no more...its evolution baby.

I love it! I keep my handgun because the government has brainwashed me into being scared.... ha ha. It's all Bushco's fault right?

Here is a statistic for you. Somebody look up how many firearms there are in the US, and how many of those firearms are involved in crimes each year.

The percentage, I'm sure would be extrememly small. My point being is that the vast majority of law abiding citizens do not promote and are not victims of gun violence.

People who get shot, more often than not are shady mother fuckers dealing in shady shit. Most of the time thier guns are stolen or illegal in the first place.

Practice gun control.... hold it with two hands!!!

Pacomc79

callen wrote:

Getting back on Topic.....many humans are easily manipulated by fear. In the US its ingrained in our brains that we should be in constant fear....how Bush's puppet masters easily convinced us to attack an enemy that didn't exist. Also American White Humans have this need to protect there Lilly white pure women from being raped by minorities. This is a big part of many wanting to keep their arms...prejudice. American humans are also quite selfish...so yea we see some innocent humans being killed but look the other way as we don't want to relinquish our "Rights". These killings raised very few emotions......wasn't even a blip around the water cooler at work...or freinds and family... I'm betting CNN & the local news channel's were pissed that this didn't draw more ratings....the dumb schmuck that killed these folks would be disappointed at how little people gave a shit.......just another day.

Course there is always a benefit to everything...this is a form of population control and fortunately those that bear arms are more likely to die from them than those that don't...so maybe in a few thousand years the easily frightened will be no more...its evolution baby.

So Gun Crime is all the White man's fault?

Curtailing liberty from all shades of law abiding people will suddenly end all the ills of the world?

Prohibition worked really well with alcohol and drugs right?

Cosmo

Americans just have to face the reality... guns are here and they are NEVER going away. Even if a gunman walks through a maternity ward and blasts the nusery.. killing 1,000 newborns... we will never give up our guns. As long as there is paranoia, fear, greed, want, poverty and wusses... the market for guns is there.