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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    PJammin' wrote:
    2. there is no dispute that Jesus Christ walked the earth.

    soulsinging wrote:
    true fact.

    How is this a fact and undisputable? No one has ever found the physical remains of Jesus, so it can certainly be contested that he existed.
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    I do believe in God. I know that there is more then this and I take comfort in believing that. Science can't explain everything. I'm not putting all my faith in man. Look where he has got us....
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    libragirl wrote:
    I do believe in God. I know that there is more then this and I take comfort in believing that. Science can't explain everything. I'm not putting all my faith in man. Look where he has got us....

    I know this is a popular thing to say these days, but the truth is, most of us would be dead right now if not for science. It has got us a long way.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    JD Sal wrote:
    How is this a fact and undisputable? No one has ever found the physical remains of Jesus, so it can certainly be contested that he existed.

    Yes, and there are still historians that argue that Jesus never existed.

    Some argue that the Hindu figure Jezeus Krishna is related to Jesus Christ. But all of history is disputable.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    but you again imply that everyone is afraid to die. and it isn't true and it isn't what she said either.

    Whatever you say.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yes, and there are still historians that argue that Jesus never existed.

    .
    In all due respect, there are no REPUTABLE, historians that will argue this. You know it as well as i do. i'm not looking for an argument or trying to start a fight. i rarely ever visit this forum anymore. i don't care what you believe, let's just be honest. There are no historians, at least none that any rational scholar takes seriously, that argue that Jesus never existed. Its simply not an argument anymore.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's the difference between God and Santa Claus?

    Besides the name.

    1. He knows when you are sleeping
    2. He knows when you're awake
    3. He knows when you've been bad or good

    Sounds like Omniscience to me.

    4. He hits every house in the world in one night

    Omnipresence

    5. In order to be omniscient and omnipresent one would have to be every atom in the universe, thus also omnipotent.

    santa claus doesn't hit EVERY house in the world in one night. there are countries where the existence of santa claus is actually non-existant.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    cornnifer wrote:
    In all due respect, there are no REPUTABLE, historians that will argue this. You know it as well as i do. i'm not looking for an argument or trying to start a fight. i rarely ever visit this forum anymore. i don't care what you believe, let's just be honest. There are no historians, at least none that any rational scholar takes seriously, that argue that Jesus never existed. Its simply not an argument anymore.

    Actually it is.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    cornnifer wrote:
    In all due respect, there are no REPUTABLE, historians that will argue this. You know it as well as i do. i'm not looking for an argument or trying to start a fight. i rarely ever visit this forum anymore. i don't care what you believe, let's just be honest. There are no historians, at least none that any rational scholar takes seriously, that argue that Jesus never existed. Its simply not an argument anymore.

    Three examples

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Martin_%28philosopher%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.M._Robertson

    And D Murdoc a.k.a Acharya S

    Acharya is classically educated in archaeology, history, mythology, and languages. Her formal training includes a Bachelor of Liberal Arts degree in Classics, Greek Civilization, from Franklin and Marshall College. She also attended the American School of Classical Studies at Athens in Greece.

    Acharya is a fellow of the Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion, a division of the Council for Secular Humanism.

    While preserving her privacy, Acharya has been interviewed on a variety of radio stations. In an interview she said she came from a moderate Christian background. Though not traumatic or "Fundamentalist", she described it as "boring" and said she ceased attending church regularly at age 12.

    Acharya's inspiration for exploring the Jesus myth theory was reportedly Joseph Wheless's book Forgery in Christianity. She then read other works, such as Kersey Graves' The World's 16 Crucified Saviours, as well as Barbara Walker's The Woman's Encyclopaedia of Myth and Secrets.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    santa claus doesn't hit EVERY house in the world in one night. there are countries where the existence of santa claus is actually non-existant.

    That's not how the story goes.
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  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I know this is a popular thing to say these days, but the truth is, most of us would be dead right now if not for science. It has got us a long way.

    Not to say no good has come out of it..but there has been a lot of bad..but i guess that's God's fault.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's not how the story goes.

    you mean the Western/European propaganda? not all cultures celebrate the bullshit that is christmas, that's what i was getting at. :)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    you mean the Western/European propaganda? not all cultures celebrate the bullshit that is christmas, that's what i was getting at. :)

    Yea, and not all celebrate God. So, the comparison was within the context.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    libragirl wrote:
    Not to say no good has come out of it..but there has been a lot of bad..but i guess that's God's fault.

    Blame God if you want. I can't blame things that don't exist.

    Many here know that I don't blame anything anyway. There has to be an ultimate source of causation, an acausal begining in order for blame to be warranted.
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  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Blame God if you want. I can't blame things that don't exist.

    Many here know that I don't blame anything anyway. There has to be an ultimate source of causation, an acausal begining in order for blame to be warranted.


    oh i don't blame God for anything..but then again you would have to believe in him to blame him. I blame man for the calamaties of the world.
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    libragirl wrote:
    oh i don't blame God for anything..but then again you would have to believe in him to blame him. I blame man for the calamaties of the world.

    So, you believe human wills are acausal?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, and not all celebrate God. So, the comparison was within the context.

    you said EVERY house in the world. i focussed on santa claus cause i couldnt think of a society that didnt venerate some type of God, be it in the judeo-christian way or pagan or some other way.

    but im nitpicking. :D
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    you said EVERY house in the world. i focussed on santa claus cause i couldnt think of a society that didnt venerate some type of God, be it in the judeo-christian way or pagan or some other way.

    but im nitpicking. :D

    Buddhism
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Buddhism
    this is true. The Buddha is not a God. but he has divine qualities which i find difficult to reconcile with him being just a mere mortal.
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  • brainofPJ
    brainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's the difference between God and Santa Claus?

    Besides the name.

    1. He knows when you are sleeping
    2. He knows when you're awake
    3. He knows when you've been bad or good

    Sounds like Omniscience to me.

    4. He hits every house in the world in one night

    Omnipresence

    5. In order to be omniscient and omnipresent one would have to be every atom in the universe, thus also omnipotent.



    you don't believe in God, i get it.

    and God isn't omnipresent but what do you care, you don't believe he exists.


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