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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    cory wrote:
    You're not the only person on earth Your Heiness.

    You said "these are the same humans"

    To paraphrase, you said "the humans that dump toxic waste, leave shit streaks on their undergarments, dispute the historicity of the holocaust and claim to have seen the loch ness monster, are the same humans that explain away God's existence."

    Perhaps what you meant to say was "these are members of the same species that also has members who claim..."

    Should we return to logical fallacies, the argumentum ad populum. The fallacy that draws conclusions from the majority?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    cory wrote:
    He had it right the first time....according to your theory.

    i stand corrected. :)


    do you reckon tis the same thing trying to explain the existence of something as it is trying to explain the nonexistence of something? are the same thought processes involved you reckon?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    i stand corrected. :)


    do you reckon tis the same thing trying to explain the existence of something as it is trying to explain the nonexistence of something? are the same thought processes involved you reckon?

    My contention is that positive claims require positive evidence. Certainly absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, nor is it evidence of existence. Therefor existence can only be substantiated by evidence and absence cannot be substantiated by anything and burden of proof is on positive claims.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • cory
    cory Posts: 736
    catefrances wrote:
    i stand corrected. :)


    do you reckon tis the same thing trying to explain the existence of something as it is trying to explain the nonexistence of something? are the same thought processes involved you reckon?

    Awesome redneck impersonation. I am now further unimpressed with you.
    Revive the heart of the heartless...

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  • cory
    cory Posts: 736
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You said "these are the same humans"

    To paraphrase, you said "the humans that dump toxic waste, leave shit streaks on their undergarments, dispute the historicity of the holocaust and claim to have seen the loch ness monster, are the same humans that explain away God's existence."

    Perhaps what you meant to say was "these are members of the same species that also has members who claim..."

    Should we return to logical fallacies, the argumentum ad populum. The fallacy that draws conclusions from the majority?

    Your vocabulary apparently knows no bounds. Pity you waste your wealth of knowledge to an audience of 14 people on a fucking message board.
    Revive the heart of the heartless...

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    cory wrote:
    Your vocabulary apparently knows no bounds. Pity you waste your wealth of knowledge to an audience of 14 people on a fucking message board.

    It's a reciprocal venue. Much of what I've learned has been from interacting with this audience.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Check mate Athiests

    why? ...because I say so...and it's in the @#$% book!...(of course)

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Check mate Athiests

    why? ...because I say so...and it's in the @#$% book!...(of course)

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists
    he sounds as silly as some atheists i've encountered.... that's for sure. it's the human way. we all wanna be right.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    cory wrote:
    Awesome redneck impersonation. I am now further unimpressed with you.

    WHAT?!

    are you familiar with pascal? are familiar with his contention that one can not approach the existence and a belief of God the same way in which scientific conclusions are approached. this is what i was getting at. this is why i asked the questions i did. not because im some uneducated dullard. next time you take offense at something, have the commonsense to ask for clarification, don't assume someone is having a go at you just because they do not share your views. and especially not when theyve just acknowledged you politely for correcting them.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    WHAT?!

    are you familiar with pascal? are familiar with his contention that one can not approach the existence and a belief of God the same way in which scientific conclusions are approached. this is what i was getting at. this is why i asked the questions i did. not because im some uneducated dullard. next time you take offense at something, have the commonsense to ask for clarification, don't assume someone is having a go at you just because they do not share your views. and especially not when theyve just acknowledged you politely for correcting them.

    I think he was only taking aim at the style in which you gave your post, not about the content within.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think he was only taking aim at the style in which you gave your post, not about the content within.


    pfft whatever. :rolleyes: so instead of asking for clarification he insults me?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    pfft whatever. :rolleyes: so instead of asking for clarification he insults me?

    Maybe he simply didn't understand what you were trying to explain. Probably didn't even care.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    Maybe he simply didn't understand what you were trying to explain. Probably didn't even care.

    probably not. (the caring that is, not the understanding.) :)
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  • brainofPJ
    brainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I can easily explain away God's existence.


    you think you can.

    i guess that's all that matters, no?


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    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    brainofPJ wrote:
    you think you can.

    i guess that's all that matters, no?

    God is a mathematical certainty.

    That's explanation enough, if you ever bother to figure it out. :)
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Check mate Athiests

    why? ...because I say so...and it's in the @#$% book!...(of course)

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    hehehe, that was pretty funny.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    catefrances wrote:
    i agree jeanie. so many times ive identified myself as a cookie monster.

    cookies are not sometimes food. they are ALWAYS food.

    Well as you know, Elmo is the man for me. :D

    But I can't fault Cookie Monster's cookie philosophy either. ;)

    Really I have no problem with people believing in what they want to believe in. God, Jesus, Cookie Monster, The Tooth Fairy.

    Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Obviously to most of the world's population he does in some form or another. I really don't see the point to getting adamant about it, unless someone's point of view is being shoved down my throat, or I'm belittled for holding the view I hold. To each his own I say. :)
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Believe what you want.. I don't believe until I know.. If I don't know, I hope.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Believe what you want.. I don't believe until I know.. If I don't know, I hope.
    isn't hoping kinda synonymous to believing?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The view always gets it covered...

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/38546
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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