Dramatic 911 call from right before shooting released
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(11/15/07 - KTRK/PASADENA, TX) - A dramatic 911 call from the Pasadena man who allegedly shot and killed two men accused of burglarizing his neighbor has been released. The dispatcher tried to talk him out of it.
"Hurry up, man. Catch these guys, will ya? I ain't gonna let them go, I'm gonna be honest with ya," said Horn on the 911 call. "I'm not gonna let them go. I'm not gonna let them get away with this (expletive)."
Horn and the dispatcher spent more than seven minutes on the phone, much of that with the dispatcher trying to convince Horn not to go outside.
"I'm gonna shoot, I'm gonna shoot," said Horn.
"Stay inside the house and don't go out there, OK?" responded the dispatcher. "It's not worth shooting someone over this."
"I don't want to, but if I go out there to see what the hell is going on, what choice do I have?" said Horn.
"I don't want you to go out there. I asked if you could see anything out there," said the dispatcher.
Horn tells the dispatcher that he understands his rights and even makes reference to the September 1 expansion that gives homeowners greater protection from prosecution should they choose to confront someone breaking into their home.
Before he can be convinced otherwise, Horn tells police he sees the burglars coming out of his house.
"He's coming out of the window right now," said Horn to the 911 dispatcher. "I gotta go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window."
"Don't, don't , don't go out the door. Mr. Horn? Mr. Horn?" said the dispatcher.
"(Expletive), they just stole something," said Horn to the dispatcher. "I'm sorry. I ain't gonna let them get away with this. They got a bag of something. I'm doing it."
The dispatcher can't stop Horn, who takes the phone with him as he goes outside.
"Move, you're dead," Horn, who took the phone outside with him, could be heard saying to the suspects.
Then three gunshots could be heard.
Horn admits later on the 911 call that he did, in fact, fire those shots. The names of the two men shot have not yet been released pending identification and notification of their next of kin. Horn has not been arrested or charged with any crime. A police investigation is still underway. This case likely will end up in the hands of a Harris County grand jury.
(Copyright © 2007, KTRK-TV)
(audio can be heard at http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=5538780)
Sorry, but I see no justification for this. The guys were robbing a neighbors house and from what can be heard, posed no threat to Horn. He should've let the cops handle the matter instead of going outside and shooting these two guys. Or atleast held them in their place until the cops showed up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the criminals at all, what they did was wrong. But I also believe what Horn did was wrong, killing people over a small bag of "loot".
"Hurry up, man. Catch these guys, will ya? I ain't gonna let them go, I'm gonna be honest with ya," said Horn on the 911 call. "I'm not gonna let them go. I'm not gonna let them get away with this (expletive)."
Horn and the dispatcher spent more than seven minutes on the phone, much of that with the dispatcher trying to convince Horn not to go outside.
"I'm gonna shoot, I'm gonna shoot," said Horn.
"Stay inside the house and don't go out there, OK?" responded the dispatcher. "It's not worth shooting someone over this."
"I don't want to, but if I go out there to see what the hell is going on, what choice do I have?" said Horn.
"I don't want you to go out there. I asked if you could see anything out there," said the dispatcher.
Horn tells the dispatcher that he understands his rights and even makes reference to the September 1 expansion that gives homeowners greater protection from prosecution should they choose to confront someone breaking into their home.
Before he can be convinced otherwise, Horn tells police he sees the burglars coming out of his house.
"He's coming out of the window right now," said Horn to the 911 dispatcher. "I gotta go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window."
"Don't, don't , don't go out the door. Mr. Horn? Mr. Horn?" said the dispatcher.
"(Expletive), they just stole something," said Horn to the dispatcher. "I'm sorry. I ain't gonna let them get away with this. They got a bag of something. I'm doing it."
The dispatcher can't stop Horn, who takes the phone with him as he goes outside.
"Move, you're dead," Horn, who took the phone outside with him, could be heard saying to the suspects.
Then three gunshots could be heard.
Horn admits later on the 911 call that he did, in fact, fire those shots. The names of the two men shot have not yet been released pending identification and notification of their next of kin. Horn has not been arrested or charged with any crime. A police investigation is still underway. This case likely will end up in the hands of a Harris County grand jury.
(Copyright © 2007, KTRK-TV)
(audio can be heard at http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=5538780)
Sorry, but I see no justification for this. The guys were robbing a neighbors house and from what can be heard, posed no threat to Horn. He should've let the cops handle the matter instead of going outside and shooting these two guys. Or atleast held them in their place until the cops showed up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the criminals at all, what they did was wrong. But I also believe what Horn did was wrong, killing people over a small bag of "loot".
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Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
Sorry, but I see no justification for this. The guys were robbing a neighbors house and from what can be heard, posed no threat to Horn. He should've let the cops handle the matter instead of going outside and shooting these two guys. Or atleast held them in their place until the cops showed up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the criminals at all, what they did was wrong. But I also believe what Horn did was wrong, killing people over a small bag of "loot".
that's big talk until it's your loot. my dad had over $20,000 in jewelry alone taken during a home robbery.
horn called the police. the police couldn't respond fast enough. they never do. the law makes us shoot them dead because if you disable them by shattering their pelvis; they can come back to sue you.
if the law says you can shoot home invaders; then he did nothing wrong and shouldn't be prosecuted. he told them to stand still; they didn't comply; and got shot. taking the phone out with him was a good move. it proves he didn't just shoot; he warned them first.
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I think what he did was wrong and I think he should be punished.THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!
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onelongsong wrote:that's big talk until it's your loot. my dad had over $20,000 in jewelry alone taken during a home robbery.
horn called the police. the police couldn't respond fast enough. they never do. the law makes us shoot them dead because if you disable them by shattering their pelvis; they can come back to sue you.
if the law says you can shoot home invaders; then he did nothing wrong and shouldn't be prosecuted. he told them to stand still; they didn't comply; and got shot. taking the phone out with him was a good move. it proves he didn't just shoot; he warned them first.
good job horn!
Big talk? So it's big talk saying you wouldn't shoot someone if they robbed you. He was not threatened. They weren't even robbing HIS house. They were robbing his neighbors house. And they weren't a threat to him. His home wasn't even invaded.0 -
Hmmmm, Well I could understand if Horn was getting robbed but a neighbor let the police handle it.
Also were these men shot facing Horn or shot in the back as if they were running away from him? They should some punishment for this if not jail time community service through the church (soup kitchen) etc.
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honestly, i don't think he did anything wrong. I'd love to have a neighbor like him.0
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scot88 wrote:honestly, i don't think he did anything wrong. I'd love to have a neighbor like him.
Maybe so but what if he had missed and hit an innocent bystander? It opens up a whole can of worms.
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I hope no charges are filed. If this is allowed to happen you'll see less crime.Boston 9-28-04, 5-24-06, 5-25-06, 5-17-10, 8-5-16, 8-7-16, 9-2-18, 9-4-18
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Hartydog wrote:I hope no charges are filed. If this is allowed to happen you'll see less crime.
Then why bother have a police force then. We could then take up arms and take care of crime ourselves.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you. However I think sometimes this country is too concerned with the rights of criminals.Boston 9-28-04, 5-24-06, 5-25-06, 5-17-10, 8-5-16, 8-7-16, 9-2-18, 9-4-18
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sorry, but you dont get the death penalty for stealing whatever they stole. . .like some said if it was his house it would be a different story, he doesnt have the right to impose his own justice in this matteri have wished for so long, how i wish for you today
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How are you to know they didn't stay in their place as he asked them to but he decided to shoot them anyway? Sounds like he went a bit overboard.
Personally I don't give a shit of the outcome cause either way (prosecuted or not prosecuted) the situation is arguable.
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I think it depends on how he killed them. If they brandished weapons or tried to attack him, then i think it is justifiable. If they surrendered and he executed them, then he is in the wrong.
We are always taught that if you see something like that, do what you can to help. He called the police, they didn't get their in time, so he took matters into his own hands and stopped two potentially dangerous criminals. I see nothing wrong with that. The scumbag theives were a burden on society. They broke the law by stealing so someone else broke the law by killing them. Two wrongs don't make a right but they certainly cancel each other out.
I'm not saying he didn't break the law, I'm just saying that in this situation it may be best to let him off with the minimum penalty."Don't lose your inner heat...ever" - EV 5/13/060 -
maybe he should have tried a warning shot first.make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need0
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Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
Sorry, but I see no justification for this. The guys were robbing a neighbors house and from what can be heard, posed no threat to Horn. He should've let the cops handle the matter instead of going outside and shooting these two guys. Or atleast held them in their place until the cops showed up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the criminals at all, what they did was wrong. But I also believe what Horn did was wrong, killing people over a small bag of "loot".The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
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Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:Big talk? So it's big talk saying you wouldn't shoot someone if they robbed you. He was not threatened. They weren't even robbing HIS house. They were robbing his neighbors house. And they weren't a threat to him. His home wasn't even invaded.The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
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I'll ask this question....same scene except a cop tells them "freeze it's the police" they take off running. The cop shoots them dead, don't tell me that cop wouldn't be facing some disciplinary action?
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g under p wrote:I'll ask this question....same scene except a cop tells them "freeze it's the police" they take off running. The cop shoots them dead, don't tell me that cop wouldn't be facing some disciplinary action?
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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Heineken Helen wrote:Nope, fuck em! Thieves fucking piss me off big time and more people need to take a stand against them. It said they'd been burglarizing his neighbourhood? Maybe more to the story. Sometimes stories like this can just be the final straw for some people. We'd a case a couple of years ago about an elderly farmer who'd been terrorised by local 'travellers' and eventually when one called to the front door and he sussed out something was going on... he went into the house and caught one running out the back and killed him. I would safely say the entire country was on his side. He'd just had enough. He did go to prison for a couple of years but I believe he was well protected in there cos of what he did. It's just terrible what these people think they're entitled to get away with. In my opinion, they give up all their rights as soon as they think they can do what they like.
They shouldn't have been allowed to get away with it. No one is arguing that. I just think Horn was in the wrong by pulling the trigger three times, when he didn't even have to pull it once. Personally, I don't think someone gives up the right to life (even if it is in prison) when they steal something.0 -
Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:They shouldn't have been allowed to get away with it. No one is arguing that. I just think Horn was in the wrong by pulling the trigger three times, when he didn't even have to pull it once. Personally, I don't think someone gives up the right to life (even if it is in prison) when they steal something.The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
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