Agreed. Hence why this is my first post on here in ... How long?
Real life is a much better alternative to wasting time on here. Of course, that's a bit of a blanket statement. This place is indeed part of real life. Anyhow, yeah. Generally, this place is full of close-minded ideologues and I finally got sick of it. Everytime something horrible happens in the news, I get vivid images of all the people that are probably on here talking about "the new Rome" and blaming Americans, blaming white people, blaming ... Who else does everyone hate again? I forgot.
Agreed. Hence why this is my first post on here in ... How long?
Real life is a much better alternative to wasting time on here. Of course, that's a bit of a blanket statement. This place is indeed part of real life. Anyhow, yeah. Generally, this place is full of close-minded ideologues and I finally got sick of it. Everytime something horrible happens in the news, I get vivid images of all the people that are probably on here talking about "the new Rome" and blaming Americans, blaming white people, blaming ... Who else does everyone hate again? I forgot.
Damn straight, dude. Fight the power.
You're not one of Last Exodus's aliases are ya?
I do remember you wishing that i got cancer a few months back.
Seems ironic that you're now on here talking from some moralistic standpoint, and asking for the M.T to be shut down. It's people like you that drag the M.T into the gutter.
so easy to get caught up in the chaos...somewhat harder to step back and be the wiser.
such a whimsical place the moving bowel can be..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm not aware of this unseen power that forces people who don't seem to like this place to open this page. What power are you guys fighting exactly? The power the rest of us have to come here and converse who still enjoy this place? If you don't like it shut it down for all?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I do remember you wishing that i got cancer a few months back.
Seems ironic that you're now on here talking from some moralistic standpoint, and asking for the M.T to be shut down. It's people like you that drag the M.T into the gutter.
Actually, it went something like this. I did think you were a total asshole (based on your behavior), but I never wished you got cancer. And then over time, you and I had a few civil exchanges, and shared a few PMs, and I realized that you're just a passionate guy like myself, who happens to have some different views on Middle Eastern politics.
And please point out where I said the Train should be shut down. Hell no. If you still enjoy this sort of thing, power to ya. I do not. I was agreeing with the poster's sentiments, not so much with the notion that this place needs to be shut down. I am no gutter-dragger. You know better than that. I just got tired of this place. My life is complicated, and this place got bumped for other things that I need to pursue. And it was an easy decision to make, based on the behavior of some posters.
Actually, it went something like this. I did think you were a total asshole (based on your behavior), but I never wished you got cancer. And then over time, you and I had a few civil exchanges, and shared a few PMs, and I realized that you're just a passionate guy like myself, who happens to have some different views on Middle Eastern politics.
And please point out where I said the Train should be shut down. Hell no. If you still enjoy this sort of thing, power to ya. I do not. I was agreeing with the poster's sentiments, not so much with the notion that this place needs to be shut down. I am no gutter-dragger. You know better than that. I just got tired of this place. My life is complicated, and this place got bumped for other things that I need to pursue. And it was an easy decision to make, based on the behavior of some posters.
Check my post above. I got you confused with someone else. Haven't seen you around in a while.
I'm not aware of this unseen power that forces people who don't seem to like this place to open this page. What power are you guys fighting exactly? The power the rest of us have to come here and converse who still enjoy this place? If you don't like it shut it down for all?
kinda like resisting the draw of trolls, ignoring posts/threads one dislikes...some can't seem the help themselves! it's like a carwreck that one can't pass without looking. resist people if you must!
I'm not aware of this unseen power that forces people who don't seem to like this place to open this page.
right on, sister...!!!
no one is making anybody come here and post...it's a choice...basically, if a person doesn't care for it, they don't have to stick around...you can always go play the "person below me" game...
no one is making anybody come here and post...it's a choice...basically, if a person doesn't care for it, they don't have to stick around...you can always go play the "person below me" game...
The person above me has given you haters a fabulous alternative to this place.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The person above me has given you haters a fabulous alternative to this place.
ut oh...a new game...look out...
seriously, Kat just locked a thread and made mention of shutting this place down again...well, I'm gonna say it...the recent problems can be traced to a handful of posters who simply come here to troll and flame...as I mentioned earlier in this thread...just look at some of the posts in this very thread....
seriously, Kat just locked a thread and made mention of shutting this place down again...well, I'm gonna say it...the recent problems can be traced to a handful of posters who simply come here to troll and flame...as I mentioned earlier in this thread...just look at some of the posts in this very thread....
that may be...but if others wouldn't take the bait, they'd go away. it really IS that simple. if one doesn't get the desired response, is ignored.....either the behavior ceases...or it simply has no impact. so yea...it's up to everyone. one can point fingers and call blame...but really, everyone has to deicde to let those threads/posts..pass without comment. problem solved, basic psych 101.
that may be...but if others wouldn't take the bait, they'd go away. it really IS that simple. if one doesn't get the desired response, is ignored.....either the behavior ceases...or it simply has no impact. so yea...it's up to everyone. one can point fingers and call blame...but really, everyone has to deicde to let those threads/posts..pass without comment. problem solved, basic psych 101.
very true, very true...and for that, I'll own my part in responding...It's just so hard not to sometimes...;)
that may be...but if others wouldn't take the bait, they'd go away. it really IS that simple. if one doesn't get the desired response, is ignored.....either the behavior ceases...or it simply has no impact. so yea...it's up to everyone. one can point fingers and call blame...but really, everyone has to deicde to let those threads/posts..pass without comment. problem solved, basic psych 101.
Exactly. As I posted in the beginning of this thread STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!! I just read the thread that got locked and it was ridiculous. Please people, intelligent discussion. It can't be that hard. :mad:
very true, very true...and for that, I'll own my part in responding...It's just so hard not to sometimes...;)
and thus why the behavior continues. even trolls know that, thus why they start up shite in the first place. i've said it oftentimes....messageboards are simply a microchosm of human behavior...and it's the same anywhere. i think it would make a truly interesting dissertation for apsych major, b/c it happens agan and again. history repeats...we don't learn....etc. it sounds depressing on one hand, but really, i think it's simply human nature. that whole 'hard to resist'....'can't help yourself'....etc. many may recognize it, but they still may follow along, b/c that's what most do.....or they may resist and not participate, so many still do...so the results are still the same.
anyway, just sayin'...don't 'blame' the trolls.
like most things, it's the reasonable people who let things continue, either by participating, or not doing anything to stop it. just like real life.
I do remember you wishing that i got cancer a few months back.
Seems ironic that you're now on here talking from some moralistic standpoint, and asking for the M.T to be shut down. It's people like you that drag the M.T into the gutter.
Cmon man, give it a rest. I never wished you shot, or cancered or anythink like it.
I take issue with the whole "troll" concept to begin with. Due to my "alternative" views by the standards of the good people on the Collective Soul board, I was ostracised, demeaned and shunned for being a "troll". And I'm a pretty polite person--however they didn't really want to hear an "alternative" view there.
Someone please tell me exactly what a troll is? People are calling people out as trolls in this thread. Who exactly are the trolls here?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
and thus why the behavior continues. even trolls know that, thus why they start up shite in the first place. i've said it oftentimes....messageboards are simply a microchosm of human behavior...and it's the same anywhere. i think it would make a truly interesting dissertation for apsych major, b/c it happens agan and again. history repeats...we don't learn....etc. it sounds depressing on one hand, but really, i think it's simply human nature. that whole 'hard to resist'....'can't help yourself'....etc. many may recognize it, but they still may follow along, b/c that's what most do.....or they may resist and not participate, so many still do...so the results are still the same.
anyway, just sayin'...don't 'blame' the trolls.
like most things, it's the reasonable people who let things continue, either by participating, or not doing anything to stop it. just like real life.
see, this is what I like about this place...a real discussion...I have to adimt, I was incorrect in simply blaming one side, and you pointed it out in a clear, rational way...thanks d2d...
I take issue with the whole "troll" concept to begin with. Due to my "alternative" views by the standards of the good people on the Collective Soul board, I was ostracised, demeaned and shunned for being a "troll". And I'm a pretty polite person--however they didn't really want to hear an "alternative" view there.
Someone please tell me exactly what a troll is? People are calling people out as trolls in this thread. Who exactly are the trolls here?
You are by no means a troll. You discuss issues whereas some posters will post flamatory comments that they know will get people to respond in kind. Then the thread becomes a "my dad can beat up your dad" back and forth that solves nothing.
I take issue with the whole "troll" concept to begin with. Due to my "alternative" views by the standards of the good people on the Collective Soul board, I was ostracised, demeaned and shunned for being a "troll". And I'm a pretty polite person--however they didn't really want to hear an "alternative" view there.
Someone please tell me exactly what a troll is? People are calling people out as trolls in this thread. Who exactly are the trolls here?
Disclaimer: the following is just an example....
Collective Soul, man, they suck, why would you even care what the 'tards on that board think...heck, you must be a fucking 'tard, too....
again, this was only an example of what I see as troll like behavior...
seriously, Kat just locked a thread and made mention of shutting this place down again...well, I'm gonna say it...the recent problems can be traced to a handful of posters who simply come here to troll and flame...as I mentioned earlier in this thread...just look at some of the posts in this very thread....
No doubt.... I say nail the lid on this fecal moving circus....lol
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You are by no means a troll. You discuss issues whereas some posters will post flamatory comments that they know will get people to respond in kind. Then the thread becomes a "my dad can beat up your dad" back and forth that solves nothing.
That's my point, though--being exactly who I am here, where I'm generally treated with civility, I was completely outcasted over at the CS board. Because I'm so radical, doncha know.
I think the concept of troll is a myth--and a way of minimising the view of the rejected people.
The people who are inflaming--and some of the most "normal" ones here do it every day-- they have reasons too, in my mind.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Could you post links of threads (it doesn't matter how far back they go) which are examples of how you think discussions/debates on this forum should proceed? If you can't find any, then maybe your particular idea of how this forum should be conducted is not in alignment generally with others who post. However, you could always be the example. Make sure your posts reflect the respect within a debate that you think creates a thread worth viewing.
That's only a few but there's been a lot more. And I would like to believe that my posts can be used as examples. I've seen several good debates that helped people increase their knowledge about a particular situation. What I was talking about was people hijacking threads that otherwise could have been good discussions and turning them into "my dick is bigger than yours" contest. I stated that a lot of good would come if people just ignored the stuff that pissed them off or just didnt open the threads that they knew would upset them, a lot of this wouldnt be a problem. I will admit though, when the same shit is being slung by the same people and it ends up on everything, it's hard to ignore it.
That's my point, though--being exactly who I am here, where I'm generally treated with civility, I was completely outcasted over at the CS board. Because I'm so radical, doncha know.
I think the concept of troll is a myth--and a way of minimising the view of the rejected people.
The people who are inflaming--and some of the most "normal" ones here do it every day-- they have reasons too, in my mind.
From the Urban Dictionary ... not exactly an "official" source, I know, but this is pretty much what I think of as a troll:
"One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks with no substance or relevence to back them up, as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."
You are far from a troll. I think the problem was that you were on a board full of trolls.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
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Real life is a much better alternative to wasting time on here. Of course, that's a bit of a blanket statement. This place is indeed part of real life. Anyhow, yeah. Generally, this place is full of close-minded ideologues and I finally got sick of it. Everytime something horrible happens in the news, I get vivid images of all the people that are probably on here talking about "the new Rome" and blaming Americans, blaming white people, blaming ... Who else does everyone hate again? I forgot.
Damn straight, dude. Fight the power.
You're not one of Last Exodus's aliases are ya?
I do remember you wishing that i got cancer a few months back.
Seems ironic that you're now on here talking from some moralistic standpoint, and asking for the M.T to be shut down. It's people like you that drag the M.T into the gutter.
Pardon? You know who I am, surely to fuck. I'm that guy who has WAY too many posts and was around back when the board was that funny brown colour.
so easy to get caught up in the chaos...somewhat harder to step back and be the wiser.
such a whimsical place the moving bowel can be..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I'm not aware of this unseen power that forces people who don't seem to like this place to open this page. What power are you guys fighting exactly? The power the rest of us have to come here and converse who still enjoy this place? If you don't like it shut it down for all?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Apologies. I mistook you for Rue D'Awakening. I knew it began with an 'R'.
Actually, it went something like this. I did think you were a total asshole (based on your behavior), but I never wished you got cancer. And then over time, you and I had a few civil exchanges, and shared a few PMs, and I realized that you're just a passionate guy like myself, who happens to have some different views on Middle Eastern politics.
And please point out where I said the Train should be shut down. Hell no. If you still enjoy this sort of thing, power to ya. I do not. I was agreeing with the poster's sentiments, not so much with the notion that this place needs to be shut down. I am no gutter-dragger. You know better than that. I just got tired of this place. My life is complicated, and this place got bumped for other things that I need to pursue. And it was an easy decision to make, based on the behavior of some posters.
You've got just 4 posts and yet you profess to having an intimate knowledge of the M.T? Got banned recently did ya?
I see names like Brynzie and abookamongstthemany, and I realize that I do like you guys, despite all the serious disagreements. Hope you are all well.
Check my post above. I got you confused with someone else. Haven't seen you around in a while.
kinda like resisting the draw of trolls, ignoring posts/threads one dislikes...some can't seem the help themselves! it's like a carwreck that one can't pass without looking. resist people if you must!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
right on, sister...!!!
no one is making anybody come here and post...it's a choice...basically, if a person doesn't care for it, they don't have to stick around...you can always go play the "person below me" game...
The person above me has given you haters a fabulous alternative to this place.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
ut oh...a new game...look out...
seriously, Kat just locked a thread and made mention of shutting this place down again...well, I'm gonna say it...the recent problems can be traced to a handful of posters who simply come here to troll and flame...as I mentioned earlier in this thread...just look at some of the posts in this very thread....
that may be...but if others wouldn't take the bait, they'd go away. it really IS that simple. if one doesn't get the desired response, is ignored.....either the behavior ceases...or it simply has no impact. so yea...it's up to everyone. one can point fingers and call blame...but really, everyone has to deicde to let those threads/posts..pass without comment. problem solved, basic psych 101.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
very true, very true...and for that, I'll own my part in responding...It's just so hard not to sometimes...;)
Exactly. As I posted in the beginning of this thread STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!! I just read the thread that got locked and it was ridiculous. Please people, intelligent discussion. It can't be that hard. :mad:
and thus why the behavior continues. even trolls know that, thus why they start up shite in the first place. i've said it oftentimes....messageboards are simply a microchosm of human behavior...and it's the same anywhere. i think it would make a truly interesting dissertation for apsych major, b/c it happens agan and again. history repeats...we don't learn....etc. it sounds depressing on one hand, but really, i think it's simply human nature. that whole 'hard to resist'....'can't help yourself'....etc. many may recognize it, but they still may follow along, b/c that's what most do.....or they may resist and not participate, so many still do...so the results are still the same.
anyway, just sayin'...don't 'blame' the trolls.
like most things, it's the reasonable people who let things continue, either by participating, or not doing anything to stop it. just like real life.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Someone please tell me exactly what a troll is? People are calling people out as trolls in this thread. Who exactly are the trolls here?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
see, this is what I like about this place...a real discussion...I have to adimt, I was incorrect in simply blaming one side, and you pointed it out in a clear, rational way...thanks d2d...
You are by no means a troll. You discuss issues whereas some posters will post flamatory comments that they know will get people to respond in kind. Then the thread becomes a "my dad can beat up your dad" back and forth that solves nothing.
Fair enough. Just checking!
Disclaimer: the following is just an example....
Collective Soul, man, they suck, why would you even care what the 'tards on that board think...heck, you must be a fucking 'tard, too....
again, this was only an example of what I see as troll like behavior...
No doubt.... I say nail the lid on this fecal moving circus....lol
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I think the concept of troll is a myth--and a way of minimising the view of the rejected people.
The people who are inflaming--and some of the most "normal" ones here do it every day-- they have reasons too, in my mind.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=231825&page=1
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=231430&page=1
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=231041&page=1
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=229185&page=1
That's only a few but there's been a lot more. And I would like to believe that my posts can be used as examples. I've seen several good debates that helped people increase their knowledge about a particular situation. What I was talking about was people hijacking threads that otherwise could have been good discussions and turning them into "my dick is bigger than yours" contest. I stated that a lot of good would come if people just ignored the stuff that pissed them off or just didnt open the threads that they knew would upset them, a lot of this wouldnt be a problem. I will admit though, when the same shit is being slung by the same people and it ends up on everything, it's hard to ignore it.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks with no substance or relevence to back them up, as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."
You are far from a troll. I think the problem was that you were on a board full of trolls.