The Moving Train Is Pointless

Vedderlution_Baby

Rant. Don't want to hear it? Don't read it.



Take a quick look at this fucking place. It's fucking nothing. It's nothing more than a war ground. People don't come to the moving train to debate or learn anything. They come to push their agendas. To state what they think and then they quickly demean and insult anything that doesn't fall under what they believe. I guess my best example would be the Iraqi Sniper/Marine Bomb video. If you guys missed it, here's what happened. Someone posted a video of an Iraqi Sniper sniping marines. Should it have already been posted? No, not really. So what happens? Does everyone simply ignore the post and realizes that since it shouldn't had been put up, they should not call attention to it? No. Someone posted a video of marines dropping bombs on people. Now, not to even point out that arguing with each other by posting media of people FUCKING DYING JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME FEELING OF REVENGE is fucking disgusting, but it accomplished absolutely nothing at fucking all. I wouldn't be ranting if it was just this one case. It's fucking all over this place. There are a few of us who can actually discuss topics and understand the other side. But theres more than a fucking few who are just turning this place into a god damn sewage outlet. Too many people get caught into the traps set by assholes (we know who they are. They know who they are.) and end up stooping down to the original asshole's level. You know what would happen to the thread if no one responded? It would be pushed down fairly quickly and eventually off the page. What ever happened to that line "If you hate something, don't you do it too."? If you want to be jerked off by other people who have the exact same viewpoint as you, join that message board. You can spend all day talking about how everyone else is stupid and a waste of DNA. Otherwise, shut the hell up and let the people who have open minds and open eyes try to communicate with each other.


P.S. If this post pisses you off, then don't comment on it and keep it at the top. Common sense people.

sapperskunk

I hereby call for the immediate disbandonement of "A moving Train" effective immediately. C'mon gang who's with me.




There are two things in this world that people discuss, which makes everyone absolutely crazy. Religion and Politics. I have actually had great political discourse with some people here and unfortunately slung insults with others.

Some people you think are highly intelligent, and some you're pretty sure are faking the funk. The worst part is, when you think you might actually show somebody a differing opinion that makes sense and your right on the edge of convincing them when suddenly boom, that person retreats back in their hole and pisses you off something fierce.

That's politics though. My conclusion, "Everyones an idiot but me":)

norm

I agree. This place can become very kindergarten like and there people that like to push buttons. But I simply ignore them. If a thread becomes like that I choose to not read it. If it keeps going I'll check back in to see if the discussion has become more adult. If we could just stop feeding the trolls they will go away. But I still love the MT. Through all the static I've learned a lot about other cultures and viewpoints.

The Illinoisemakers

Sorry you feel that way. I actually feel like I learn a lot from people on this board. Its more real and honest then most news outlets.

Cosmo

I saw that post.. I went the the link... saw the first few images and closed it.
I don't need to be shown images of War because I already know what War is. I already know that the number 3,078 in not a number... but, 3,078 Americans who will not see this years Super Bowl... 3,078 Amerivan families who will not be able to celebrate Thanksgiving with their loved one this year. It is more than just a number... and it is NOT a point total on the scoreboard.
Each one represents a life of an American who voluenteered to defend his/her country and has been sent off under false pretenses to defend and move forward a political agenda. I don't need to be reminded that they are humans and are there because of their devotion to duty and to uphold the oath that they freely choose to make.
Defending OUR freedoms? How is going over to the other side of the globe to stand in the cross hairs of people who do not want us in their country, defending OUR freedoms?
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and just to set the record straight... I don't like seeing any deaths. I don't want to see Saddam Hussein's execution or a 2,000 pound bomb leveling a hotel in Haditha or a Marine gunner taking a shot in the face. I do not glorify war... I believe we were supposed to learn from past wars. I guess not.

Vedderlution_Baby

(They really should have a edit Title feature. My title was chosen poorly).

I was wrong to say that AMT is pointless. I've learned a lot. A lot of us have. But i still stand by the other things I said. I hate that theres so many trolls here fucking with rest of us. But as I said before, it's a rant.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

I pretty much agree with your interpretation of what A Moving Train is...it is a place for people to put their opinions out there. I wouldn't say I have an "agenda" necessarily, but I definitely don't post here expecting to learn much. It's good when that happens, but it's not what I look for. I post because there is definitely a war of ideas going on, and the internet is a convenient battle ground to fight that war. I post hoping that I can get someone to listen to at least one point, and maybe dwell on it for just a little bit.

To me, it's about expressing my views to people who haven't put too much thought into political subjects. Sometimes I just post to make a joke, but most of the time I try to be serious and I try not to stoop to the level of name-calling. I'm sure I've failed a couple of times, but oh well. But my posts aren't meant for the regulars who read this thread, they're meant for everyone else.

So that's why I post, and I don't think it's disgusting really...it's about accepting the fact that there are people out there who have already developed a well-defined view of world affairs, and it's highly unlikely that they will change them (this includes me). So the point is not to speak to those people, but speak to the people who haven't made up their minds yet. Usually the way it works out is that you end up debating with regulars, but hopefully that indirectly speaks to other people.

hippiemom

cutback wrote:

I agree. This place can become very kindergarten like and there people that like to push buttons. But I simply ignore them. If a thread becomes like that I choose to not read it. If it keeps going I'll check back in to see if the discussion has become more adult. If we could just stop feeding the trolls they will go away. But I still love the MT. Through all the static I've learned a lot about other cultures and viewpoints.

That's the key ... DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Unless you have something really funny to say ... funny posts are always welcome ... Cosmo can feed the trolls all he likes

callen

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Sorry you feel that way. I actually feel like I learn a lot from people on this board. Its more real and honest then most news outlets.

Damn...and I'm agreeing with a righteous, extremist fkn REPUG.

I do like this board..and try to be open minded.....and it's just great to vent..nothing wrong with that.....

I also think message boards are incredible allowing citizens to communicate without being filtered by the media...or more big business.

mammasan

I agree lately the board has been filled with trolls, but i just ignore them. I know the people on here who have the ability and capacity to carry on an intelligent debate/conversation and I simply stick to corresponding with them. Just ignore those threads and posts which you know are there simply to antagonize.

Cosmo

mammasan wrote:

I agree lately the board has been filled with trolls, but i just ignore them. I know the people on here who have the ability and capacity to carry on an intelligent debate/conversation and I simply stick to corresponding with them. Just ignore those threads and posts which you know are there simply to antagonize.

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That's the best thing to do. Read that shit... because I think it's good to know that there are people out there, way out there, who really believe that shit... but, don't let them get to you.
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and yeah... I have been able to see the issue from a differning point... when a good point is made. I like it here... much more interesting topics than Eddie's hair or how Pearl Jam hates the South.

Gary Carter

cutback wrote:

I agree. This place can become very kindergarten like and there people that like to push buttons.

hit the nail on the head, thats why i left this place. when i was on this board for the first couple of months i joined, i posted here everyday and became one of the "regulars" of the mt. as time went on the people started to become more and more like dickheads with childish name calling

mammasan

Cosmo wrote:

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That's the best thing to do. Read that shit... because I think it's good to know that there are people out there, way out there, who really believe that shit... but, don't let them get to you.
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and yeah... I have been able to see the issue from a differning point... when a good point is made. I like it here... much more interesting topics than Eddie's hair or how Pearl Jam hates the South.

I have learned a lot from people on this board. Even people who I would probably never agree with in a million years have offered up information that has impacted the way I view a situation or topic. I like it here as well. Sure as hell beats staring out my window at work when I'm bored.

Cosmo

metsfan531941 wrote:

"as time went on the people started to become more and more like dickheads with childish name calling"

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I like this comment... it is... what is it... a paradox?

Eva7

Vedderlution, I agree with you. It actually is pointless because it doesn't really "build" anything and take us nowhere, not for the most part and not how much we would need. A couple of years ago, when I used to post here very often, I tried to say the same thing, trying to find a sense with others in this place. But this isn't obviously a place where you can expect more than what it is, this is a fact. This is just a public place where anyone can have a say, and that's perfectly fine. But I also think that this place could have a great potentiality. A place where so many people come regularly or occasionally, a place where whatever you write can be read by a huge audience with a wide range of opinion and educational level and culture from different parts of the world... I mean, it is a good chance to use it properly, and to use it properly means, for exemple, exchange good information. There are a lot of trolls or just silly comments or maybe some people who come here just to distract from their boring life, I don't know, whatever..... but in all the years that I have been posting in the PJ message pit (since 2000) I have also seen a lot of people who can offer good information, interesting points of views, ideas, people who have listened others and learned infos from others, some of them even never posting but just saying hi with a pm, so even if all these people, who are the real "MT people", were a minority, I think it is still worth.

miller8966

I agree. I usually never respond to the posts about the 9/11 conspiracy theories because i cant believe how someone could blame the american government for the death of 3000 americans..when we all know it was islamic fundamentalists.

I just dont post if i dont have an interest in it.

Pacomc79

Ah it's just a microcosm of the world really. Don't let it get you down. Lead by example. Strengthen the faint hearted; support the weak; help the suffering; return no one evil for evil. Live and let live. Yeah there are lot of really stupid trivial pointless happenings but it dosen't ruin the overall forum unless you let it get to you. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Cheers, P.

stu gee

I am not on here all that often but i can usually tell by someone's replies whether they are actually worth debating with. If i read a post or reply that appears to have been posted by someone who is probably just looking for attention, or to push their opinions on me no matter what i happen to think personally, then i wont bother posting back.

I think arguments are naturally going to occur on a forum like this though, which i think is ok so long as people are sensible. (probably never going to happen, not with everyone anyway lol)

The Illinoisemakers

callen wrote:

Damn...and I'm agreeing with a righteous, extremist fkn REPUG.

I do like this board..and try to be open minded.....and it's just great to vent..nothing wrong with that.....

I also think message boards are incredible allowing citizens to communicate without being filtered by the media...or more big business.

Righteous extremist? Really? I mean I'll admit to being a fucking republican just the same as you'll admit to being a hippie liberal douche, but righteous extremist?

inmytree

I don't know...I think this place serves a purpose...it's a nice place to vent and learn...I have to say, I've learned quite a bit, from all sides and from many viewpoints of others who live here, there and anywhere...

I also think that people forget this is a made-up place that really doesn't exist...and sometimes people take things personally and seriously...which leads bickering and fighting...

at the end of the day, this place is what you make it...

Rushlimbo

I wish everyone could just get along.

chopitdown

Rushlimbo wrote:

I wish everyone could just get along.

no you don't

Byrnzie

Did anyone actually bother reading the comment that i posted along with that video? Or did you choose to ignore it?
Pathetic!

Byrnzie

The video i posted wasn't the problem. The problem was with idiots misinterpreting my reasons for posting it and with other idiots making blatently false accusations as to my reasons for posting it.

trappedinmyradio

Byrnzie wrote:

The video i posted wasn't the problem. The problem was with idiots misinterpreting my reasons for posting it and with other idiots making blatently false accusations as to my reasons for posting it.

what were your reasons...just curious.

Byrnzie

trappedinmyradio wrote:

what were your reasons...just curious.

I stated them clearly. I asked the question: Is this what Bush is sending 20,000 more troops into. I stated that the war is unwinnable, because struggles of popular insurgency cannot be defeated. The video was there to clarify my point. That sniper is just one of many. The troops are fighting a largely hidden enemy, not too dissimilar to that encountered in Vietnam.
I then re-stated my opinion that the troops should be brought home.

I was then accused by a number of people on the board of sympathising with the sniper, and of revelling in the sight of U.S troops being taken out.

Like i said: Pathetic!

callen

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Righteous extremist? Really? I mean I'll admit to being a fucking republican just the same as you'll admit to being a hippie liberal douche, but righteous extremist?

in the spirit of this thread and in purely in jest......was simply coming up with the most offensive title possible....

miller8966

Byrnzie wrote:

I stated them clearly. I asked the question: Is this what Bush is sending 20,000 more troops into. I stated that the war is unwinnable, because struggles of popular insurgency cannot be defeated. The video was there to clarify my point. That sniper is just one of many. The troops are fighting a largely hidden enemy, not too dissimilar to that encountered in Vietnam.
I then re-stated my opinion that the troops should be brought home.

I was then accused by a number of people on the board of sympathising with the sniper, and of revelling in the sight of U.S troops being taken out.

Like i said: Pathetic!

If i put a video up of the IDF taking out a member of hamas than said:

" what is hamas thinking, they cant compete with this, hamas will never win"

" Hamas could never defeat such a military as israel, why send their children to die".

" why fight for independence, hamas will never win."

is that ok?

The Illinoisemakers

callen wrote:

in the spirit of this thread and in purely in jest......was simply coming up with the most offensive title possible....

Sorry for misinterpreting your post. I figured it was in jest, but sometimes when you don't have the little face symbols it can be hard to tell. My 'hippie liberal douche' nametag is just something I heard on Southpark and thought it was really clever.

John Budge

Pearl Jam offers a mostly liberal stance on political issues. Most of their fans share this viewpoint. Some of those with opposing political viewpoints are upset by this and choose to cause disruption of the reasoned political discussion that normally occurs here. These mostly right-wing zealots get a sense of empowerment from the mindless conservative talk shows that litter both the television and radio mediums. They then log on to this and other forums with the hope of raising their low levels of self-esteem by insulting those who dare disagree with the almighty neo-conservative ideology. You can see this phenomenon on any political message board. Luckily, these miscreants represent but a slim majority, so their influence is not as significant as they believe.

Byrnzie

miller8966 wrote:

If i put a video up of the IDF taking out a member of hamas than said:

" what is hamas thinking, they cant compete with this, hamas will never win"

" Hamas could never defeat such a military as israel, why send their children to die".

" why fight for independence, hamas will never win."

is that ok?

If you thought that you had a point in doing so, then yes. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.