I stated them clearly. I asked the question: Is this what Bush is sending 20,000 more troops into. I stated that the war is unwinnable, because struggles of popular insurgency cannot be defeated. The video was there to clarify my point. That sniper is just one of many. The troops are fighting a largely hidden enemy, not too dissimilar to that encountered in Vietnam.
I then re-stated my opinion that the troops should be brought home.
I was then accused by a number of people on the board of sympathising with the sniper, and of revelling in the sight of U.S troops being taken out.
I spent the better part of an hour debating people in the sniper thread because they were completely disregarding your actual and specific words, while accusing you of being the evil-doer with the intentions they imagined you to have regardless of your direct words in the thread. Of course when I directed people to take a look at your myspace heroes, in response to you being called anti-American, or when Abookamongstthemany juxtaposed your own words against what others were accusing you of doing, those who opted to ignore your stated intentions while putting words and intentions in your mouth did not respond.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Sorry you feel that way. I actually feel like I learn a lot from people on this board.
Me too, I learn a lot from the people here as well. I learn a lot from the people who disagree with me, or they encourage me to think about something differently and people who agree with me give me new insights as well.
Sure, there's a lot of childish behaviour but at the end of the day that's not what I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about that statement that challenged my views or a new view that puts certain events in a new perspective.
Sorry for misinterpreting your post. I figured it was in jest, but sometimes when you don't have the little face symbols it can be hard to tell. My 'hippie liberal douche' nametag is just something I heard on Southpark and thought it was really clever.
actually do read your posts and try to understand... (-:
I stated them clearly. I asked the question: Is this what Bush is sending 20,000 more troops into. I stated that the war is unwinnable, because struggles of popular insurgency cannot be defeated. The video was there to clarify my point. That sniper is just one of many. The troops are fighting a largely hidden enemy, not too dissimilar to that encountered in Vietnam.
I then re-stated my opinion that the troops should be brought home.
I was then accused by a number of people on the board of sympathising with the sniper, and of revelling in the sight of U.S troops being taken out.
Like i said: Pathetic!
i asked because i didn't really see the thread...anyway...thanks for letting me know.
Me too, I learn a lot from the people here as well. I learn a lot from the people who disagree with me, or they encourage me to think about something differently and people who agree with me give me new insights as well.
Sure, there's a lot of childish behaviour but at the end of the day that's not what I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about that statement that challenged my views or a new view that puts certain events in a new perspective.
visiting this board is I"m sharing it with other members of society that care, that ponder our current state of affairs....and are willing to share their views....that of course includes both sides. Left and incorrect. (-;
Did anyone actually bother reading the comment that i posted along with that video? Or did you choose to ignore it?
Pathetic!
I had actually forgotten about the thread in question, even though it was only a few days ago i believe! If i remember your post that went with the video correctly, then i think the person who started this thread has misinterpreted the point of the thread you made.
People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
I spent the better part of an hour debating people in the sniper thread because they were completely disregarding your actual and specific words, while accusing you of being the evil-doer with the intentions they imagined you to have regardless of your direct words in the thread. Of course when I directed people to take a look at your myspace heroes, in response to you being called anti-American, or when Abookamongstthemany juxtaposed your own words against what others were accusing you of doing, those who opted to ignore your stated intentions while putting words and intentions in your mouth did not respond.
I didn't see any of that as i was out last night and it was deleted before i could respond.
Thanks for standing up for me.
I had actually forgotten about the thread in question, even though it was only a few days ago i believe! If i remember your post that went with the video correctly, then i think the person who started this thread has misinterpreted the point of the thread you made.
That's right. Although i notice that the mods have deemed it acceptable to post video footage of Iraqis being killed. Seems to me like there's a lack of evenhandedness around here at the moment.
I didn't see any of that as i was out last night and it was deleted before i could respond.
Thanks for standing up for me.
You are welcome. I'm not saying this now for credit. But in support that I completely back you up based on the truth of your words in that thread. Your direct words were overlooked while people projected their own demons onto you in that thread. People were upset by a few issues and were putting that on the table, and at the same time they were confusing their own emotions and values, thinking you were responsible for their ideas of you. The fact is, you are you are responsible for what you actually say and your true intent. You are not responsible for how others interpret that. It's a little alarming when I see serious misinterpretation happen, despite the overt evidence to the contrary.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Pearl Jam offers a mostly liberal stance on political issues. Most of their fans share this viewpoint. Some of those with opposing political viewpoints are upset by this and choose to cause disruption of the reasoned political discussion that normally occurs here. These mostly right-wing zealots get a sense of empowerment from the mindless conservative talk shows that litter both the television and radio mediums. They then log on to this and other forums with the hope of raising their low levels of self-esteem by insulting those who dare disagree with the almighty neo-conservative ideology. You can see this phenomenon on any political message board. Luckily, these miscreants represent but a slim majority, so their influence is not as significant as they believe.
Hahaha.
Thanks Mr. Budge for enlightening us all on the political forum debate throughout the world!
Seriously, don't make such generalizations about the entire right wing movement. Most of us are not "mindless," in fact - most are probably smarter than you.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
That's right. Although i notice that the mods have deemed it acceptable to post video footage of Iraqis being killed. Seems to me like there's a lack of evenhandedness around here at the moment.
Do two wrongs make a right? Is that what you're arguing?
That's a surefire way to turn society right down the shitter.
"But HE had sex with animals so it should be okay for me too right??!"
"But HE posted videos of people getting killed so it should be okay for me too right??!"
Stop crying and go have some tea and crumpets.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Seriously, don't make such generalizations about the entire right wing movement. Most of us are not "mindless," in fact - most are probably smarter than you.
See, even Barroomgutwhore can tell a joke on here to liven things up. Good one, buddy! LOL...still laughing...conservatives smarter...goodness gracious.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
See, even Barroomgutwhore can tell a joke on here to liven things up. Good one, buddy! LOL...still laughing...conservatives smarter...goodness gracious.
"A vote for Bush 2004 is a vote for innocent blood being spilled."
Hahahahahahaha
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Do two wrongs make a right? Is that what you're arguing?
That's a surefire way to turn society right down the shitter.
"But HE had sex with animals so it should be okay for me too right??!"
"But HE posted videos of people getting killed so it should be okay for me too right??!"
Stop crying and go have some tea and crumpets.
Wait a minute--Byrnzie posted his video first to make his point about what the troops are subjected to. Last Exodus is the one who in turn posted his "killing video" for vengeful purposes. Your "sex with animals" analogy is therefore completely off base. And definitely, your other point about revenge is being used on the wrong person in this thread. Your "tea and crumpets" comment indicates a certain pettiness, particularly following your other inaccurate points, and altogether your post brings home what Byrnzie is saying: he is being misinterpreted, as well as being blamed for the misinterpretations of others. And that does not fall on him.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
the comment you were referring to is what alanis morissette might call "ironic"
"its like raiiinnnnn, on your wedding day
its the dude pointing out childish arguing, then calling them all dickheads"
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Thanx... I was in a rush and was late to a meeting and couldn't think of the word...
Paradox... that's a statement with contradiction... or something? You get the gist of it, though.
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and I thought it was, "It's like raaaaaa-eeeeeee-ain on a rainy day..." which didn't make much sense to me since rainy days usually contain rain in the forecast.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Take a quick look at this fucking place. It's fucking nothing. It's nothing more than a war ground. People don't come to the moving train to debate or learn anything. They come to push their agendas. To state what they think and then they quickly demean and insult anything that doesn't fall under what they believe. I guess my best example would be the Iraqi Sniper/Marine Bomb video. If you guys missed it, here's what happened. Someone posted a video of an Iraqi Sniper sniping marines. Should it have already been posted? No, not really. So what happens? Does everyone simply ignore the post and realizes that since it shouldn't had been put up, they should not call attention to it? No. Someone posted a video of marines dropping bombs on people. Now, not to even point out that arguing with each other by posting media of people FUCKING DYING JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME FEELING OF REVENGE is fucking disgusting, but it accomplished absolutely nothing at fucking all. I wouldn't be ranting if it was just this one case. It's fucking all over this place. There are a few of us who can actually discuss topics and understand the other side. But theres more than a fucking few who are just turning this place into a god damn sewage outlet. Too many people get caught into the traps set by assholes (we know who they are. They know who they are.) and end up stooping down to the original asshole's level. You know what would happen to the thread if no one responded? It would be pushed down fairly quickly and eventually off the page. What ever happened to that line "If you hate something, don't you do it too."? If you want to be jerked off by other people who have the exact same viewpoint as you, join that message board. You can spend all day talking about how everyone else is stupid and a waste of DNA. Otherwise, shut the hell up and let the people who have open minds and open eyes try to communicate with each other.
P.S. If this post pisses you off, then don't comment on it and keep it at the top. Common sense people.
This train never did move anywhere, but in some odd ways, many of the best times on here have been spent stalled in a carriage with some right wingers, the Enoch Powell to my Tony Benn.
I want to try to clear up a couple of things that I probably didnt make clear enough. I wasn't trying to attack or call anyone out. I could have easily said "Person X did this So Person X did this". I didnt do that because it wasn't just the video incident that pissed me off. it's been a few things and I wanted to get them off my chest. Also, I was hasty making a title "The moving train is pointless". It's not. That was an error on my part. Also, I'm not saying that if you disagree with someone that its fruitless or disgusting. I clearly defined what was disgusting. What is was bitching about are the assholes that purposely try to piss people off and be purposely ignorant.
I want to try to clear up a couple of things that I probably didnt make clear enough. I wasn't trying to attack or call anyone out. I could have easily said "Person X did this So Person X did this". I didnt do that because it wasn't just the video incident that pissed me off. it's been a few things and I wanted to get them off my chest. Also, I was hasty making a title "The moving train is pointless". It's not. That was an error on my part. Also, I'm not saying that if you disagree with someone that its fruitless or disgusting. I clearly defined what was disgusting. What is was bitching about are the assholes that purposely try to piss people off and be purposely ignorant.
So you were talking to people like me.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
This train never did move anywhere, but in some odd ways, many of the best times on here have been spent stalled in a carriage with some right wingers, the Enoch Powell to my Tony Benn.
Enoch was just misunderstood in the ole' Rivers of Blood speech.
Tony Bennett is a crappy American singer, but if that's how you want it
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I spent the better part of an hour debating people in the sniper thread because they were completely disregarding your actual and specific words, while accusing you of being the evil-doer with the intentions they imagined you to have regardless of your direct words in the thread. Of course when I directed people to take a look at your myspace heroes, in response to you being called anti-American, or when Abookamongstthemany juxtaposed your own words against what others were accusing you of doing, those who opted to ignore your stated intentions while putting words and intentions in your mouth did not respond.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Me too, I learn a lot from the people here as well. I learn a lot from the people who disagree with me, or they encourage me to think about something differently and people who agree with me give me new insights as well.
Sure, there's a lot of childish behaviour but at the end of the day that's not what I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about that statement that challenged my views or a new view that puts certain events in a new perspective.
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actually do read your posts and try to understand... (-:
i asked because i didn't really see the thread...anyway...thanks for letting me know.
from my window to yours
I had actually forgotten about the thread in question, even though it was only a few days ago i believe! If i remember your post that went with the video correctly, then i think the person who started this thread has misinterpreted the point of the thread you made.
I didn't see any of that as i was out last night and it was deleted before i could respond.
Thanks for standing up for me.
That's right. Although i notice that the mods have deemed it acceptable to post video footage of Iraqis being killed. Seems to me like there's a lack of evenhandedness around here at the moment.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"its like raiiinnnnn, on your wedding day
its the dude pointing out childish arguing, then calling them all dickheads"
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finally, FUCK TICKETMASTER
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Hahaha.
Thanks Mr. Budge for enlightening us all on the political forum debate throughout the world!
Seriously, don't make such generalizations about the entire right wing movement. Most of us are not "mindless," in fact - most are probably smarter than you.
-Enoch Powell
Do two wrongs make a right? Is that what you're arguing?
That's a surefire way to turn society right down the shitter.
"But HE had sex with animals so it should be okay for me too right??!"
"But HE posted videos of people getting killed so it should be okay for me too right??!"
Stop crying and go have some tea and crumpets.
-Enoch Powell
See, even Barroomgutwhore can tell a joke on here to liven things up. Good one, buddy! LOL...still laughing...conservatives smarter...goodness gracious.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
"A vote for Bush 2004 is a vote for innocent blood being spilled."
Hahahahahahaha
-Enoch Powell
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Thanx... I was in a rush and was late to a meeting and couldn't think of the word...
Paradox... that's a statement with contradiction... or something? You get the gist of it, though.
...
and I thought it was, "It's like raaaaaa-eeeeeee-ain on a rainy day..." which didn't make much sense to me since rainy days usually contain rain in the forecast.
Hail, Hail!!!
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Yet you Avg. A very strong almost 30 posts per day. All for nothing.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
So you were talking to people like me.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
If you're still listening to buck cherry, I'm talking ONLY to you
Enoch was just misunderstood in the ole' Rivers of Blood speech.
Tony Bennett is a crappy American singer, but if that's how you want it
-Enoch Powell
lol Nice. Well, you're a festeechio.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!