Homosexuals

onelongsong

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

It's only a "recruiting ploy" in that they're trying to gain acceptance in mainstream society, as opposed to being tied to a fence while people throw rocks at them for a few hours.

surely you jest.
a nazi or KKK march is to promote their beliefs and stress that they are right. they're gain is to convince others they are right and hopefully gain new members.

MCG

Hate can go both ways. I don't have a problem with gay people but some of them seem to have a problem with me. I was called a 'breeder' once in a bar and a 'breeder boy' two nights ago in a park by some homosexual fellows.

cornnifer

blackredyellow wrote:

I think with the number of single parents and the divorce rate, having two loving parents (reguardless of sex) would actually help marriage/family life.

I didn't say it wouldn't. As you say, the divirce rate is off the charts. Its absolutely obscene as is the number of single parents (I am not disrespecting single parents, I am actually quite amazed by the ones who pull it off successfully). This, i feel is in large part, due to the declining esteem of marriage as a institution and comittment. People simply have no respect for it anymore. It is regarded as no big deal. By stretching the boundaries of marriage, I think we would only enhance and strengthen this "no big deal" attitude that is already destroying marriage.

Milhouse VanHouten

onelongsong wrote:

surely you jest.
a nazi or KKK march is to promote their beliefs and stress that they are right. they're gain is to convince others they are right and hopefully gain new members.

Do you really think that gay pride marches are recruiting drives? They don't have fucking membership cards and monthly dues.

On the other hand, your references to the KKK and the Nazi party are interesting. The Nazis and the Klan are similar in that they were both groups who advocated the elimination of a particular group of people. The civil rights movement and the gay rights movement are similar in that they are trying to promote equal rights for themselves.

See the difference?

cornnifer

MCG wrote:

Hate can go both ways. I don't have a problem with gay people but some of them seem to have a problem with me. I was called a 'breeder' once in a bar and a 'breeder boy' two nights ago in a park by some homosexual fellows.

My wife and I recieved some pretty cross looks at an Indigo Girls concert one time.

true story

MCG

cornnifer wrote:

My wife and I recieved some pretty cross looks at an Indigo Girls concert one time.

true story

LOL! Had to close the office door!

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

so you want it your way and you decide who gets equal rights and who doesn't? ever hear of mormans? they pull it off quite nicely.

What do you mean I want it my way? I just got done saying I don't care what anyone does if they can come up with a workable system. "My" way is a single union between one man and one woman, but it doesn't matter to me if everyone does things "my" way, or if no one but me does.

Yes, I'm aware of Mormons. They don't have legal multiple marriages in this country, so I'm not sure what the point is.

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

What do you mean I want it my way? I just got done saying I don't care what anyone does if they can come up with a workable system. "My" way is a single union between one man and one woman, but it doesn't matter to me if everyone does things "my" way, or if no one but me does.

Yes, I'm aware of Mormons. They don't have legal multiple marriages in this country, so I'm not sure what the point is.

multiple marriages ARE legal in utah if you are and have been morman. protected under the freedom of religion that allows native americans to use peyote for religious purposes. you can't turn morman to have 2 wives though.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

multiple marriages ARE legal in utah if you are and have been morman. protected under the freedom of religion that allows native americans to use peyote for religious purposes. you can't turn morman to have 2 wives though.

Someone had better alert the Utah Attorney General, because his web site states otherwise.

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/polygamy.html

jeffbr

onelongsong wrote:

multiple marriages ARE legal in utah if you are and have been morman. protected under the freedom of religion that allows native americans to use peyote for religious purposes. you can't turn morman to have 2 wives though.

Since when? The Mormon church got rid of polygamy specifically because of force from the federal gov't. They excommunicate members practicing plural marriage.

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

Someone had better alert the Utah Attorney General, because his web site states otherwise.

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/polygamy.html

maybe not legal but not prosecuted.

onelongsong

jeffbr wrote:

Since when? The Mormon church got rid of polygamy specifically because of force from the federal gov't. They excommunicate members practicing plural marriage.

i live in northern AZ and i see it.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

maybe not legal but not prosecuted.

Polygamous families enjoy none of the legal protections of marriage. I don't see how the fact that some people in Utah live in groups has any bearing on this discussion.

jeffbr

onelongsong wrote:

i live in northern AZ and i see it.

It is not condoned by the church in SLC. There are splinter groups - sects - who have been excommunicated and still practice it, but it is neither legal, nor accepted. And the AG in Utah will prosecute.

Ahnimus

know1 wrote:

Getting back to one of the original comments - to make the statement that homosexuality will be proven to be genetic is to be very close-minded and not have a grasp on reality (or to have some kind of personal agenda).

Let's be honest, the reasons people do things run the entire spectrum from genetics to whatever. Furthermore, people have a choice to act on their impulses or not.

You can't just make a blanket statement that every gay person was genetically programmed that way and that they have no choice but to act on it.

That's right, brain chemistry and thought control are a two-way street. Our brains produce thought and we choose which ones are acted upon or cherished and also which ones are subdued and ignored. The brain is adaptive and when we act on a thought or subdue it changes the way our brains function. If we repeatedly tell ourselves it's ok to eat feces, then in our minds it will be ok. Whereas most of us have been conditioned to disagree with eating feces, so the thoughts never enter our minds, or the thoughts are subdued immediately upon their creation. This is true in a variety of different ways. Certainly our brain chemistry is responsible for the production of thought content, but also our thoughts are responsible for our brain chemistry.

callen

vmfury wrote:

Because people are assholes. Plain and simple.

This world will never be easy to live in and people will never mind their own business because the majority are sheep. Hence "society". The only thing to do is try your best to be a good person and treat others the way you want to be treated. A motto EVERYONE should live by.

great post.....hard but true.....god bless religion.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

That's right, brain chemistry and thought control are a two-way street. Our brains produce thought and we choose which ones are acted upon or cherished and also which ones are subdued and ignored. The brain is adaptive and when we act on a thought or subdue it changes the way our brains function. If we repeatedly tell ourselves it's ok to eat feces, then in our minds it will be ok. Whereas most of us have been conditioned to disagree with eating feces, so the thoughts never enter our minds, or the thoughts are subdued immediately upon their creation. This is true in a variety of different ways. Certainly our brain chemistry is responsible for the production of thought content, but also our thoughts are responsible for our brain chemistry.

i still haven't heard an explaination about people who become gay as a result of enviornment. as part of the drug culture; a lot of friends have gone to jail. many have come out gay. i saw a girl on the tv last week who became gay after experimenting when her boyfriend hurt her. her girlfriend cheated on her and she said: "i'm going back to men". by deffinition she's bi; but how can she turn off one to go to the other if it's genetics?

onelongsong

jeffbr wrote:

Since when? The Mormon church got rid of polygamy specifically because of force from the federal gov't. They excommunicate members practicing plural marriage.

colorado city has been in the news a lot and it's because the leader is indited for sexual contact with a minor and arranging marriages with minors. not for poligamy. also; the residents are not being prosecuted for polygamy. true; poligamists don't enjoy the same rights and advantages of marriage as we know it; but either do gays and thus brings us to the discussion. if gays get these rights; why not polygamists? polyigamy is illegal because a woman cannot marry another woman and visa-versa. thus; to have two wives; you cannot expect the same rights unless a man can marry both wives and both wives marry eachother. can you understand the doors it would open?

callen

cornnifer wrote:

I didn't say it wouldn't. As you say, the divirce rate is off the charts. Its absolutely obscene as is the number of single parents (I am not disrespecting single parents, I am actually quite amazed by the ones who pull it off successfully). This, i feel is in large part, due to the declining esteem of marriage as a institution and comittment. People simply have no respect for it anymore. It is regarded as no big deal. By stretching the boundaries of marriage, I think we would only enhance and strengthen this "no big deal" attitude that is already destroying marriage.

People that hate the crap out of each other...and women that get abused by their husbands will respect the sanctity of marriage and make it work.........(-:

callen

Ahnimus wrote:

That's right, brain chemistry and thought control are a two-way street. Our brains produce thought and we choose which ones are acted upon or cherished and also which ones are subdued and ignored. The brain is adaptive and when we act on a thought or subdue it changes the way our brains function. If we repeatedly tell ourselves it's ok to eat feces, then in our minds it will be ok. Whereas most of us have been conditioned to disagree with eating feces, so the thoughts never enter our minds, or the thoughts are subdued immediately upon their creation. This is true in a variety of different ways. Certainly our brain chemistry is responsible for the production of thought content, but also our thoughts are responsible for our brain chemistry.

I'm a flaming hetro.....no matter how many homo friends I have...no matter how many gay bars I've been too...(quite a few) I will never be a homosexual....women are powerful...to me. Just as men are for other men....if you feel that this can be changed....that some how you being around gay pride parades and gay people can change you.....I'm thinking your probably not fufilled in you present orientation....you have some experimenting to do....(-: I love this thread.