How can Ed and others be so blind?

fuck

NMyTree wrote:

Parents who truely love their children and want a real future full of personal freedom and opportunities, want real change from the status quo. Not smoke and mirrors.

A future full of real changes where my children won't be dragged into trumped-up, phoney wars that benefit the military industrial complex, elite oil tycoons and other corporate interests.

A future where their country/government does not hold hypocritical, double-standards to countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan; all for their own selfish interests.

A future where the international community will respect the United States of America for NOT supporting ruthless, murdering dictators and viloent regimes; because it just so happens to suit their greedy agenda. While condemning and attacking those that do not suit their agenda.

A future where all Americans are treated equally. A future where the " elite and privilege " are held to the same laws that apply to everyone else.

A future of real change.

Not future full some slick-talking, game show host double-talk posturing and sales pitches.

Real change for those of use who truely love our children.

Agreed.

my2hands

sweetpotato wrote:

just posted this in the "obama is approaching" thread, and it just occurred to me... for those of you confounded by ed's support of obama- a mainstream candidate!- maybe it's because he's a father now and has come to realize that there are certain things in life more important than perfection, especially in a candidate.

you see, in my experience, once you become a parent, your view of everything radically changes. suddenly, you are responsible for this little life, and you need to do whatever it takes to nurture and protect them. but you also realize that there are some things that used to seem monumentally important to you that really don't anymore. or their importance is diminished by your understanding of the need to filter everything through a "what really makes a difference?" screen. and supporting a candidate like nader, who cannot ever, ever, ever win the general election, now seems like an exercise in mental masturbation. sure, it makes you feel all tingly, but there's no real change in your life because of it.

maybe in obama, ed sees a future that's brighter, a path that can lead to an enlightened america, one that is respected again by the world and by its own citizens. maybe in obama, ed sees his daughter growing up in a world that has more tolerance, more compassion, more hope. i know i do.

AWESOME post!

sweetpotato

_outlaw wrote:

not in this particular case. I'm just one in general. doesn't affect this though.

trust me, it affects everything. even this.

sweetpotato

_outlaw wrote:

Again, that's not exactly true. you vote for who will change this country because that affects you in some ways, but of course at the end of the day, it's mainly about the country as a whole, not you personally.

why do you say stuff like this as if you KNOW it's a fact? "but of course..." that's just stupid. you sound childish making such a naive claim.

fuck

sweetpotato wrote:

trust me, it affects everything. even this.

why do you say stuff like this as if you KNOW it's a fact? "trust me..." that's just stupid. you sound childish making such a naive claim.

fuck

sweetpotato wrote:

why do you say stuff like this as if you KNOW it's a fact? "but of course..." that's just stupid. you sound childish making such a naive claim.

if Barack Obama wins the presidency, is he going to come into your house and feed your child?

No.

he's going to affect the country and its policies towards you, but not you DIRECTLY. it is a fact. this isn't even debatable.

angelica

NMyTree wrote:

Parents who truely love their children and want a real future full of personal freedom and opportunities, want real change from the status quo. Not smoke and mirrors.

A future full of real changes where my children won't be dragged into trumped-up, phoney wars that benefit the military industrial complex, elite oil tycoons and other corporate interests.

A future where both Israel and Palestine are equally held accountable and responsible for their actions and contributions to a neverending parade of violence, murder and discrimination.

A future where their country/government does not hold hypocritical, double-standards to countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan; all for their own selfish interests.

A future where the international community will respect the United States of America for NOT supporting ruthless, murdering dictators and viloent regimes; because it just so happens to suit their greedy agenda. While condemning and attacking those that do not suit their agenda.

A future where all Americans are treated equally. A future where the " elite and privileged " are held to the same laws that apply to everyone else.

A future of real change.

Not a future full of some slick-talking, game show host double-talk posturing and sales pitches.

Real change for those of use who truely love our children.

Very nice, my friend...and insightful...and totally right on!

rocketman

radiohead33 wrote:

I cant think of many people I respect more than Uncle Bruce, Uncle Neil, Dylan, Ed, Bright Eyes, etc...

They exhude class and integrity in a world of fake and lies.

Which makes their support of Obama all the more head scratching.

Matt Taibbi talked about the 2 possible options. Either Obama really is a person who will change things, or he is the epitome of the disturbing lenghts to which the system continues to reinvent and package itself as something it isnt.

Obama isnt radical. He is a centrist. He isnt even antiwar. He will continue to keep troops in the middle east. Every single person I listed above is for pulling ALL troops out of the war. Many were antiwar before the war even began. Uncle Bruce was saying "Impeach Bush" and "bring em home" in 2003.

These are all intelligent rockers, intelligent individuals, who, I think I am not alone in saying this, helped in some way to shape my outlook on politics and life in general.

Obama's wearing the "mellencamp and uncle bruce" rolled up shirts is laughable. Bruce speaks to me and to us.

All Obama and Mccain want is our votes. There isnt gold at the end of the Election 2008 rainbow. Obama is a liar, all politicians are.

What doesnt make sense is why people act like obama is something different? We have hundreds of years of history, and every single election have been let down. Politicians are liars, BY NATURE. Why is obama exempt?

The war wont end by voting politicians into office. Nothing has ever changed by that action. The real power lies in people getting pissed and doing something to stop the madness. I dont put trust in politicians.

But this website has been ground zero for the past 12 months for the Obama change wagon. Now that you all realized you been suckered you wanna blame Ed? Cmon now.

NMyTree

rocketman wrote:

But this website has been ground zero for the past 12 months for the Obama change wagon. Now that you all realized you been suckered you wanna blame Ed? Cmon now.

Nah, several of us have seen the Obama campaign for what it really is, all along. Several of us were not seduced at all. And we have often shared those thoughts and opinions, here.

RainDog

NMyTree wrote:

Nah, several of us who have seen the Obama campaign for what it really is, all along. Several of us were not seduced at all. And we have often shared those thoughts and opinions, here.

How would someone with only 15 posts know what this site was like for the last year? Only posts once a month?

I smell a McCain plant.

Oh, and the Obama campaign is pretty much playing out as I, a supporter, expected. The paradigm of starry-eyed, rapturous, lovey-dovey idealists being the primary support for Senator Obama is a media creation, as opposed to the idea that Obama is a media creation himself. According to an independent study, the vast majority of Obama's coverage - over 70% - has been negative. McCain's coverage has been slightly negative, but closer to 50/50.

NMyTree

RainDog wrote:

How would someone with only 15 posts know what this site was like for the last year? Only posts once a month?

I smell a McCain plant.

You could be right. But there are other possibilities.

As for McCain, I have no love for him or his campaign. Clinton, too.

my2hands

NMyTree wrote:

You could be right. But there are other possibilities.

As for McCain, I have no love for him or his campaign. Clinton, too.

are there any politicians you like or support? any at all? if so, who?

NMyTree

my2hands wrote:

are there any politicians you like or support? any at all? if so, who?

You already know the answer to those questions. But I'll play along, this time.

1) Yes.

2) Didn't you see my answer the first time? Yes, of course.

3) Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez. Hell, I'd even take Ron Paul over any of the Three Mainstream Stooges.


You? Other than Obama, what other politicians do you like or support?

NMyTree

angelica wrote:

Very nice, my friend...and insightful...and totally right on!

Why thank you, sweetie.

fuck

RainDog wrote:

According to an independent study, the vast majority of Obama's coverage - over 70% - has been negative. McCain's coverage has been slightly negative, but closer to 50/50.

Not that I don't believe you, but do you mind giving me more information as to where this independent study may be? Like a link or something?

decides2dream

Blinded By The Light


Madman drummers bummers and Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat
In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat
With a boulder on my shoulder feelin' kinda older I tripped the merry-go-round
With this very unpleasing sneezing and wheezing the calliope crashed to the ground
Some all-hot half-shot was headin' for the hot spot snappin' his fingers clappin' his hands
And some fleshpot mascot was tied into a lover's knot with a whatnot in her hand
And now young Scott with a slingshot finally found a tender spot and throws his lover in the sand
And some bloodshot forget-me-not whispers daddy's within earshot save the buckshot turn up the band

And she was blinded by the light
Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night
Blinded by the light
She got down but she never got tight, but she'll make it alright

Some brimstone baritone anti-cyclone rolling stone preacher from the east
He says: "Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in its funny bone, that's where they expect it least"
And some new-mown chaperone was standin' in the corner all alone watchin' the young girls dance
And some fresh-sown moonstone was messin' with his frozen zone to remind him of the feeling of romance

Yeah he was blinded by the light
Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night
Blinded by the light
He got down but she never got tight, but he's gonna make it tonight

Some silicone sister with her manager's mister told me I got what it takes
She said I'll turn you on sonny, to something strong if you play that song with the funky break,
And go-cart Mozart was checkin' out the weather chart to see if it was safe to go outside
And little Early-Pearly came in by her curly-wurly and asked me if I needed a ride,
Oh, some hazard from Harvard was skunked on beer playin' backyard bombardier
Yes and Scotland Yard was trying hard, they sent a dude with a calling card,
he said, do what you like, but don't do it here
Well I jumped up, turnedaround, spit in the air, fell on the ground
Asked him which was the way back home
He said take a right at the light, keep goin' straight until night, and then boy, you're on your own

And now in Zanzibar a shootin' star was ridin' in a side car hummin' a lunar tune
Yes, and the avatar said blow the bar but first remove the cookie jar we're gonna teach those boys to laugh too soon

And some kidnapped handicap was complainin' that he caught the clap from some mousetrap he bought last night,

Well I unsnapped his skull cap and between his ears I saw
a gap but figured he'd be all right

He was just blinded by the light
Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night
Blinded by the light
Mama always told me not to look into the sights of the sun
Oh but mama that's where the fun is


Copyright © Bruce Springsteen (ASCAP)

RainDog

_outlaw wrote:

Not that I don't believe you, but do you mind giving me more information as to where this independent study may be? Like a link or something?

Here is an LA Times piece about it. The independent study was done by The Center for Media and Public Affairs.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story?page=1

rocketman

NMyTree wrote:

Nah, several of us have seen the Obama campaign for what it really is, all along. Several of us were not seduced at all. And we have often shared those thoughts and opinions, here.

Im sure you were. I think its hysterical when you back a few months time on this board and look at all the Obama lovin and Hillary bashin that was goin on. Now that it is apparent that Obama is just another politician doing what all politicans do, lie to get elected, that lot is now in hiding or lurking in shame.

rocketman

RainDog wrote:

How would someone with only 15 posts know what this site was like for the last year? Only posts once a month?

I smell a McCain plant.

Oh, and the Obama campaign is pretty much playing out as I, a supporter, expected. The paradigm of starry-eyed, rapturous, lovey-dovey idealists being the primary support for Senator Obama is a media creation, as opposed to the idea that Obama is a media creation himself. According to an independent study, the vast majority of Obama's coverage - over 70% - has been negative. McCain's coverage has been slightly negative, but closer to 50/50.

And so what if I am a McCain supporter? If you must know I WAS a Clinton supporter and thought Obama was lying through his teeth to get nominated. I was right. So keep the conspiracy theories to yourself. They are baseless.

my2hands

NMyTree wrote:

3) Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez. Hell, I'd even take Ron Paul over any of the Three Mainstream Stooges.


You? Other than Obama, what other politicians do you like or support?

1. Ralph Nader is not a politician. he has never, and will never hold an elected public office

2. Matt Gonzalez? he was like a city councilman for 5 minutes and lost the mayors race? not sure i would consider him a politician yet... Dennis is the man

surely there are more then that you like?

Just off the top if my head here are some senators I like and support, with a house member or 2 thrown in:
Barbara Boxer (she is AWESOME)
Pat Leahy
Bernie Sanders (Independent socialist from Vermont)
Ted Kennedy
Carl Levin
Jon Tester
Claire McCaskill
Jim Webb
Robert Byrd
Barack Obama
Carl Levin
Joe Biden
Dennis Kucinich (House)
Charles Rangel (House)
Hillary Clinton

i am sure there are more.. if i think of them i will post them...


I get the feeling that alot of folks around here dont really follow things closely, or comprehend them... i always see folks posting about the democrat controlled senate (bullshit) and that there are no good politicians and such... like they are all evil and not to be trusted... there are some tremendous politicians out there that i agree with on alot of issues and like the issues they fight for and vote for... Like Obama's bill to end the war by March 08 that passed the house and senate and was VETO'd by the president