I would absolutely love to set down and have a conversation with you someday. It is extremely refreshing to read points by someone who actually knows what they are talking about, imo.
Not just this post, but every post you wrote, just kept putting a bigger smile on my face. Thanks! I agree with everything you've said, and I hope I read many more posts from you!
I hope you keep the passion, because you have the words to be able to open people's minds.
thanks! now just be sure to vote for me when i run in 2032
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
That was actually going to be the end of my post, and I'm serious.
Have you ever thought about running for office?
i have, but i've got to figure out where i want to live and build my career first and then get involved and make some connections. i'm from ohio originally and there's a powerful draw to working my way up through the ranks in a swing state on the flipside, it's kind of a boring place, hehe.
plus, i've got a fair share of skeletons in the closet. i wasn't always as level headed as i am now. lived a pretty crazy life for a long time. got to figure out how to handle that in the campaign!
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
i didn't mean it like that actually. you say it like it's a bad thing and utterly irrational to vote based on fear. it's not. i refer to the prisoner's dilemma, a very simple concept.
the fact is, maybe we all do want free health care. the flip side is, we fear candidate b is not serious enough about national security and that scares us. there is not illogical, denying, or unjustified it balancing those concerns. fear is not ipso facto an unconscious, irrational response.
I was adding to what you were saying with what I see.
I'm a great believer in using our emotional intelligences to our benefit in a balanced way.
And as I said, unfortunately, people can't muster up logic that makes sense half the time. They don't integrate the fear with logic.
They therefore act on their fear .... fearfully. They make fear choices. Or they've shown me their choices are emotional choices in other avenues, without the logic to balance it out. They show that their emotions distort their thought processes.
This doesn't surprise me. Again, the vast majority is essentially unconscious, and operating reactively, rather than with discernment. It's where we are in our evolution.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I was adding to what you were saying with what I see.
I'm a great believer in using our emotional intelligences to our benefit in a balanced way.
And as I said, unfortunately, people can't muster up logic that makes sense half the time. They don't integrate the fear with logic.
They therefore act on their fear .... fearfully. They make fear choices. Or they've shown me their choices are emotional choices in other avenues, without the logic to balance it out. They show that their emotions distort their thought processes.
This doesn't surprise me. Again, the vast majority is essentially unconscious, and operating reactively, rather than with discernment. It's where we are in our evolution.
maybe Obama is a liar, but i think they subscribe to the Abraham Lincoln school of thought on change, in that change happens incrementally via pragmatic moderation and willingness to compromise rather than thru self righteous and unyielding radicalism.
the vast majority is essentially unconscious, and operating reactively, rather than with discernment
certainly your opinion to hold...but in my eyes, far from the truth.
i find the first post in this thread rather reactive and not very 'conscious' of others and their thought process and decisions. i certainly don't believe most people behave and think in that manner. then again, i completely disagree with it's premise. although yes, i agree we are where we are in our evollution and that's that. thus why i also base my decisions and thoughts on where we are today and working towards the positive changes i would like to see in the future. change takes very small steps. it always has, especially on such a large scale.
I was adding to what you were saying with what I see.
I'm a great believer in using our emotional intelligences to our benefit in a balanced way.
And as I said, unfortunately, people can't muster up logic that makes sense half the time. They don't integrate the fear with logic.
They therefore act on their fear .... fearfully. They make fear choices. Or they've shown me their choices are emotional choices in other avenues, without the logic to balance it out. They show that their emotions distort their thought processes.
This doesn't surprise me. Again, the vast majority is essentially unconscious, and operating reactively, rather than with discernment. It's where we are in our evolution.
but what if their logic makes sense to them, but not to you...does that mean they are wrong...?
and since emotions are part of the human condition, how does one take them out of the decision making process...? is it a bad thing to except that emotions are part of our make-up, thus act accordingly...?
The problem is that it's business as usual for the politicians, who like advertisers, know how to appeal to and manipulate us based on our unconscious processes.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
That guy truly knows nothing when it comes to economics. He said a while ago something like the economy is doing so bad we've just "gotta be" in a recession, "we've just gotta be!"
DUMBASS.
and that is wrong how?
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
and since emotions are part of the human condition, how does one take them out of the decision making process...? is it a bad thing to except that emotions are part of our make-up, thus act accordingly...?
I think she means to make decisions based solely on emotions, ie. being so scared you make the wrong decision, and not think it through.
The problem is that it's business as usual for the politicians, who like advertisers, know how to appeal to and manipulate us based on our unconscious processes.
That's not THE problem, though. The problem is that we don't do anything about it. There are many informed people who can do something, but choose not to.
I was adding to what you were saying with what I see.
I'm a great believer in using our emotional intelligences to our benefit in a balanced way.
And as I said, unfortunately, people can't muster up logic that makes sense half the time. They don't integrate the fear with logic.
They therefore act on their fear .... fearfully. They make fear choices. Or they've shown me their choices are emotional choices in other avenues, without the logic to balance it out. They show that their emotions distort their thought processes.
This doesn't surprise me. Again, the vast majority is essentially unconscious, and operating reactively, rather than with discernment. It's where we are in our evolution.
well at least we have you and outlaw to tell the rest of us sheep when we are wrong. if only more people in this country recognized how unevolved we are compared to you two shining beacons of enlightenment and just stopped picking our own candidates and listened to what you told us about which candidate is the right choice after a proper balance of logic and emotion.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
Politicians are liars, BY NATURE. Why is obama exempt?
You are correct and he should not be. Obama is just a shining example of the joke our political system is today....it's nothing more than a glorified American Idol where nothing that should really matter counts for shit....its all about spin and bullshit
Remember when Howard Dean's campaign was completely ruined because he let out that crazy scream at a rally? That was the end of him and how stupid is that? Think about it? What the fuck did that matter as far as his qualifications for being president? Zero....not that I would have voted for him at all because that was never an option.
EDIT: And say what you will about Bush, but at least he is real. He may be as big of a liar as any politician, but dammit he wasn't a fuckin' polished fake puppet
All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
but what if their logic makes sense to them, but not to you...does that mean they are wrong...?
and since emotions are part of the human condition, how does one take them out of the decision making process...? is it a bad thing to except that emotions are part of our make-up, thus act accordingly...?
A large majority of my purposes on this board and in life is about encouraging people to feel, own and process their emotions. This is extremely important in people balancing out their intelligence. Therefore it's a very good thing to accept emotions and our emotional intelligence as an integral part of our make-up.
Again, the dark side...the unconscious and shadow side...is when people are reactive, and unable to discern information - when people aren't conscious of how they are choosing emotionally, and when they don't then integrate those emotions with logic....the result is that these processes are happening beyond our awareness and can then be manipulated.
It shows up when people justify and stand behind distorted logic. Certainly, people will believe this distorted logic. And they will happily make decisions based on this distorted logic. I support their right to do so, and I even see it as a natural part of evolution...given it's not common for people to integrate their emotions in a balanced way at this time. The bottom line is that the distorted logic reveals itself in it's lack of reason.
I have no problem with people using logic to decide for their own purposes in their own way. Where they show their unconsciousness is when their logic doesn't make sense, meaning it is illogical.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
A large majority of my purposes on this board and in life is about encouraging people to feel, own and process their emotions. This is extremely important in people balancing out their intelligence. Therefore it's a very good thing to accept emotions and our emotional intelligence as an integral part of our make-up.
Again, the dark side...the unconscious and shadow side...is when people are reactive, and unable to discern information - when people aren't conscious of how they are choosing emotionally, and when they don't then integrate those emotions with logic....the result is that these processes are happening beyond our awareness and can then be manipulated.
It shows up when people justify and stand behind distorted logic. Certainly, people will believe this distorted logic. And they will happily make decisions based on this distorted logic. I support their right to do so, and I even see it as a natural part of evolution...given it's not common for people to integrate their emotions in a balanced way at this time. The bottom line is that the distorted logic reveals itself in it's lack of reason.
I have no problem with people using logic to decide for their own purposes in their own way. Where they show their unconsciousness is when their logic doesn't make sense, meaning it is illogical.
you've got a serious mother theresa/ghandi complex. it's very charitable of you to bless us peasants with your wisdom. i was wondering who would finally come to save us from ourselves.
i'm glad you've decided that obama supporters have distorted logic.
if you don't see the distorted logic in the original post here, then i don't think you're quite as enlightened as you think you are.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
A large majority of my purposes on this board and in life is about encouraging people to feel, own and process their emotions. This is extremely important in people balancing out their intelligence. Therefore it's a very good thing to accept emotions and our emotional intelligence as an integral part of our make-up.
Again, the dark side...the unconscious and shadow side...is when people are reactive, and unable to discern information - when people aren't conscious of how they are choosing emotionally, and when they don't then integrate those emotions with logic....the result is that these processes are happening beyond our awareness and can then be manipulated.
It shows up when people justify and stand behind distorted logic. Certainly, people will believe this distorted logic. And they will happily make decisions based on this distorted logic. I support their right to do so, and I even see it as a natural part of evolution...given it's not common for people to integrate their emotions in a balanced way at this time. The bottom line is that the distorted logic reveals itself in it's lack of reason.
I have no problem with people using logic to decide for their own purposes in their own way. Where they show their unconsciousness is when their logic doesn't make sense, meaning it is illogical.
have you ever thought that your own logic may be distorted...?
That's not THE problem, though. The problem is that we don't do anything about it. There are many informed people who can do something, but choose not to.
I see what you are saying.
What I see is that these informed people are operating from fear.
When people learn to develop their emotional intelligence, they FEEL their emotions and the emotions pass. When they run these emotions through logic centres (ie: by saying I am sad, angry, afraid, etc.) they integrate the message of the emotions into their decision making process. When people are not dealing with their emotions but instead deny them, they stay paralyzed within, unconsciously distorting all decision making processes. The emotions then do not pass through like they do during healthy emotional processes. And we don't integrate the emotion with logic, using them in a balanced sense. And again, as I say, those with more savvy use this lack of human evolution at this time to their advantage, for wealth and power. Some use this dynamic to empower people and further humanitarian purposes.
I've studied mass appeal for years. If you want mass appeal (and subsequently influence on the masses), you learn to appeal to the unconscious emotions of the .. masses. This is done by a Plato, or a Shakespeare, and it can also be done by a McCain, or Obama. Or by any musician, actor, etc.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
have you ever thought that your own logic may be distorted...?
You are free to call my own logic out for it's distortions when they exist. Which is what message boards are all about. I fully welcome challenge. I'm always interested in developing my potential and moving past denial and distortion. I'm as prone to error and blindspots as the next guy!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
so you do not think there is anything distorted in the original poster's logic here?
I think the perspective the OP is laying out is a valid point of view, especially considering it's that poster's... point of view. When people give their opinions from their point of view, logic is used as a tool. Which is why I can be at peace with all varying opinions. (see my signature, re: opposing truths)
I don't usually take issue with people's personal points of view, as much as I do with the underlying dynamics and principles and general trends that are off-kilter. And I decide what I focus on based on my own intuition, which is alogical, and not at all based on logic.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What I see is that these informed people are operating from fear.
When people learn to develop their emotional intelligence, they FEEL their emotions and the emotions pass. When they run these emotions through logic centres (ie: by saying I am sad, angry, afraid, etc.) they integrate the message of the emotions into their decision making process. When people are not dealing with their emotions but instead deny them, they stay paralyzed within, unconsciously distorting all decision making processes. The emotions then do not pass through like they do during healthy emotional processes. And we don't integrate the emotion with logic, using them in a balanced sense. And again, as I say, those with more savvy use this lack of human evolution at this time to their advantage, for wealth and power. Some use this dynamic to empower people and further humanitarian purposes.
I've studied mass appeal for years. If you want mass appeal (and subsequently influence on the masses), you learn to appeal to the unconscious emotions of the .. masses. This is done by a Plato, or a Shakespeare, and it can also be done by a McCain, or Obama. Or by any musician, actor, etc.
I get the sense that you see fear as solely being negative....
personally I see it as being part of the entire picture...one can not simply turn off "fear" as it were a button one pushes...however, if one simply allows fear to dictate every single choice they make, that may be unhealthy, so to speak, but in this context you seem to be implying those who support Obama as only be guided by fear, vs. them making an informed choice based on their own values, beliefs, and emotions...
personally, I support Obama because I think he is be best candidate, not because I'm fearful or scared...
to use such a large brush to paint those who support Obama as a candidate as being solely guided by fear lacks openness and thought...
I think the perspective the OP is laying out is a valid point of view, especially considering it's that poster's... point of view. When people give their opinions from their point of view, logic is used as a tool. Which is why I can be at peace with all varying opinions. (see my signature, re: opposing truths)
I don't usually take issue with people's personal points of view, as much as I do with the underlying dynamics and principles and general trends that are off-kilter. And I decide what I focus on based on my own intuition, which is alogical, and not at all based on logic.
that's a fancy way of saying no comment. i think it is very telling that you are so eager to point out the "logical failings" of obama supporters' points of view, but stonewall regarding the logic underlying the original poster's point of view because you happen to agree with his political result. obama supporters are voting based on uninformed and uncritical fear, but the original poster is just expressing a point of view? come on. if that doesn't show an illogical, emotionally biased judgment call, i don't know what does.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
you've got a serious mother theresa/ghandi complex. it's very charitable of you to bless us peasants with your wisdom. i was wondering who would finally come to save us from ourselves.
The dems got in in 2006 and havent done a damn thing to end the war. Pelosi wont even try to impeach Bush. Ask Reid and Pelosi about ending the war and you will get laughed at.
you do realize that the senate is a dead heat lock after the 2006 election
there are 49 democrats, 49 republicans, and 2 independants each leaning a different way.
so how are the dems going to end the war again? most won as ooppsing the war and wanting to end it, which they all voted to do on Obamas bill that would have eneded the war by last March.. that bill was veto'd by the President
it is almost as if people completely ingore the facts? there is no democrat controlled senate, even though i must hear that 5 times a day in the media and here... the dems won just enough seats to even it out... but they dont have the whitehosue and veto power.. or enough votes to override a veto
people like me dont know about compromise. The musicians I listed NEVER compromised EVER. How do you reconcile that. You think Tom Waits compromises? Fugazi? Dylan? They do what the hell they want. They dont care about money, they care about art.
i guess you have missed Bob Dylan doing advertising for the Cadillac Escalade recently...
an unwillingness to compromise shows a level of selfishness and ingorance in a person that i do not want running my country... think of GW Bush on that one good friend... if anything has been shown by his horrible leadership the last 8 years, it is the value and importance of compromise
I get the sense that you see fear as solely being negative....
personally I see it as being part of the entire picture...one can not simply turn off "fear" as it were a button one pushes...however, if one simply allows fear to dictate every single choice they make, that may be unhealthy, so to speak, but in this context you seem to be implying those who support Obama as only be guided by fear, vs. them making an informed choice based on their own values, beliefs, and emotions...
personally, I support Obama because I think he is be best candidate, not because I'm fearful or scared...
to use such a large brush to paint those who support Obama as a candidate as being solely guided by fear lacks openness and thought...
I see fear as a highly valid emotional response, along with the other so called "negative" emotions. I think it's immensely important to acknowledge, own and experience our own fear in order to get the very valid wisdom and emotional intelligence it ALWAYS contains. I can easily regularly see when people do not do this...they show it because they, in their own denial of emotion, project their own fear outward and think it comes from the world being scary and awful. Those who own, experience and feel their emotions see a very different worldview. They see their emotions as being about them, not about some demon "out there".
I totally respect your opinion and your reasons for voting for Obama. I respect and value all people's reasons for when they choose to vote Obama (or otherwise). Even if they are predominantly emotional! Whether from Love, hope or fear!!
Besides presenting principles that I see, what I tend to do is challenge logical distortions. And yet even if I prove a logical distortion with reason, I totally respect that it's up to the individual what they do with that, including if they choose to ignore it!
I have not come close to painting Obama as a candidate as being solely (or even remotely!) guided by fear!! I would not do this because it is so far from what I actually think!! People are assuming that because I use discernment with logical assertions, that it indicates what my general beliefs are. People are completely oblivious to that were I a politician, I would be very similar to Obama myself, given I'm very centrist in some very predominant ways! While people lump me in the Nader camp, no matter how much I protest, they overlook the reality!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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thanks! now just be sure to vote for me when i run in 2032
Denny Crane!
Have you ever thought about running for office?
plus, i've got a fair share of skeletons in the closet. i wasn't always as level headed as i am now. lived a pretty crazy life for a long time. got to figure out how to handle that in the campaign!
Denny Crane!
I'm a great believer in using our emotional intelligences to our benefit in a balanced way.
And as I said, unfortunately, people can't muster up logic that makes sense half the time. They don't integrate the fear with logic.
They therefore act on their fear .... fearfully. They make fear choices. Or they've shown me their choices are emotional choices in other avenues, without the logic to balance it out. They show that their emotions distort their thought processes.
This doesn't surprise me. Again, the vast majority is essentially unconscious, and operating reactively, rather than with discernment. It's where we are in our evolution.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
certainly your opinion to hold...but in my eyes, far from the truth.
i find the first post in this thread rather reactive and not very 'conscious' of others and their thought process and decisions. i certainly don't believe most people behave and think in that manner. then again, i completely disagree with it's premise. although yes, i agree we are where we are in our evollution and that's that. thus why i also base my decisions and thoughts on where we are today and working towards the positive changes i would like to see in the future. change takes very small steps. it always has, especially on such a large scale.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
but what if their logic makes sense to them, but not to you...does that mean they are wrong...?
and since emotions are part of the human condition, how does one take them out of the decision making process...? is it a bad thing to except that emotions are part of our make-up, thus act accordingly...?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
and that is wrong how?
Denny Crane!
Remember when Howard Dean's campaign was completely ruined because he let out that crazy scream at a rally? That was the end of him and how stupid is that? Think about it? What the fuck did that matter as far as his qualifications for being president? Zero....not that I would have voted for him at all because that was never an option.
EDIT: And say what you will about Bush, but at least he is real. He may be as big of a liar as any politician, but dammit he wasn't a fuckin' polished fake puppet
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
Again, the dark side...the unconscious and shadow side...is when people are reactive, and unable to discern information - when people aren't conscious of how they are choosing emotionally, and when they don't then integrate those emotions with logic....the result is that these processes are happening beyond our awareness and can then be manipulated.
It shows up when people justify and stand behind distorted logic. Certainly, people will believe this distorted logic. And they will happily make decisions based on this distorted logic. I support their right to do so, and I even see it as a natural part of evolution...given it's not common for people to integrate their emotions in a balanced way at this time. The bottom line is that the distorted logic reveals itself in it's lack of reason.
I have no problem with people using logic to decide for their own purposes in their own way. Where they show their unconsciousness is when their logic doesn't make sense, meaning it is illogical.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i'm glad you've decided that obama supporters have distorted logic.
if you don't see the distorted logic in the original post here, then i don't think you're quite as enlightened as you think you are.
Denny Crane!
how do you know that person is not thinking it through...?
could they be taking into account there own fears when making a decision...?
why is that bad if fear one of the variables added to the equation...?
have you ever thought that your own logic may be distorted...?
dont question her! she's doing us all a favor by trying to raise us to her higher plane of existence.
Denny Crane!
What I see is that these informed people are operating from fear.
When people learn to develop their emotional intelligence, they FEEL their emotions and the emotions pass. When they run these emotions through logic centres (ie: by saying I am sad, angry, afraid, etc.) they integrate the message of the emotions into their decision making process. When people are not dealing with their emotions but instead deny them, they stay paralyzed within, unconsciously distorting all decision making processes. The emotions then do not pass through like they do during healthy emotional processes. And we don't integrate the emotion with logic, using them in a balanced sense. And again, as I say, those with more savvy use this lack of human evolution at this time to their advantage, for wealth and power. Some use this dynamic to empower people and further humanitarian purposes.
I've studied mass appeal for years. If you want mass appeal (and subsequently influence on the masses), you learn to appeal to the unconscious emotions of the .. masses. This is done by a Plato, or a Shakespeare, and it can also be done by a McCain, or Obama. Or by any musician, actor, etc.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
so you do not think there is anything distorted in the original poster's logic here?
Denny Crane!
You are free to call my own logic out for it's distortions when they exist. Which is what message boards are all about. I fully welcome challenge. I'm always interested in developing my potential and moving past denial and distortion. I'm as prone to error and blindspots as the next guy!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I don't usually take issue with people's personal points of view, as much as I do with the underlying dynamics and principles and general trends that are off-kilter. And I decide what I focus on based on my own intuition, which is alogical, and not at all based on logic.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I get the sense that you see fear as solely being negative....
personally I see it as being part of the entire picture...one can not simply turn off "fear" as it were a button one pushes...however, if one simply allows fear to dictate every single choice they make, that may be unhealthy, so to speak, but in this context you seem to be implying those who support Obama as only be guided by fear, vs. them making an informed choice based on their own values, beliefs, and emotions...
personally, I support Obama because I think he is be best candidate, not because I'm fearful or scared...
to use such a large brush to paint those who support Obama as a candidate as being solely guided by fear lacks openness and thought...
that's a fancy way of saying no comment. i think it is very telling that you are so eager to point out the "logical failings" of obama supporters' points of view, but stonewall regarding the logic underlying the original poster's point of view because you happen to agree with his political result. obama supporters are voting based on uninformed and uncritical fear, but the original poster is just expressing a point of view? come on. if that doesn't show an illogical, emotionally biased judgment call, i don't know what does.
Denny Crane!
heh. i laughed at that
you do realize that the senate is a dead heat lock after the 2006 election
there are 49 democrats, 49 republicans, and 2 independants each leaning a different way.
so how are the dems going to end the war again? most won as ooppsing the war and wanting to end it, which they all voted to do on Obamas bill that would have eneded the war by last March.. that bill was veto'd by the President
it is almost as if people completely ingore the facts? there is no democrat controlled senate, even though i must hear that 5 times a day in the media and here... the dems won just enough seats to even it out... but they dont have the whitehosue and veto power.. or enough votes to override a veto
this is all really 5th grade civics stuff here
i guess you have missed Bob Dylan doing advertising for the Cadillac Escalade recently...
an unwillingness to compromise shows a level of selfishness and ingorance in a person that i do not want running my country... think of GW Bush on that one good friend... if anything has been shown by his horrible leadership the last 8 years, it is the value and importance of compromise
I totally respect your opinion and your reasons for voting for Obama. I respect and value all people's reasons for when they choose to vote Obama (or otherwise). Even if they are predominantly emotional! Whether from Love, hope or fear!!
Besides presenting principles that I see, what I tend to do is challenge logical distortions. And yet even if I prove a logical distortion with reason, I totally respect that it's up to the individual what they do with that, including if they choose to ignore it!
I have not come close to painting Obama as a candidate as being solely (or even remotely!) guided by fear!! I would not do this because it is so far from what I actually think!! People are assuming that because I use discernment with logical assertions, that it indicates what my general beliefs are. People are completely oblivious to that were I a politician, I would be very similar to Obama myself, given I'm very centrist in some very predominant ways! While people lump me in the Nader camp, no matter how much I protest, they overlook the reality!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!