How can Ed and others be so blind?

fuck

Rose1963 wrote:

I don't put trust in politicians either....so may the best candidate win! At this point - I'm still educating myself. I will still vote...but at this point....I'm at a complete loss! I don't like either.

Then don't vote for them. Vote for someone else.

slightofjeff

clark_kent wrote:

polls can show that everyone wants everything on his platform. but the polls don't show how much they are willing to give up to get it.

This is an excellent point. If we did a poll right now: "How many people would like to see the crime of rape wiped off the planet for good?" -- I'll bet it would enjoy close to 100 percent support.

If we asked, "How many people are in favor of mandatory castration for all fully developed males?" -- I'd bet that number would go down a smidge.

Cropduster84

Anything but McCain to be honest.....man, guys like him truly scare me......

sj.brodie

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Change will happen but things happen so slow so just forget about it really...

check back in 20 years...

sounds good

sounds a bout right,...

I agree

Long term change happens as a result of public opinion and changing social trends. I just can't imagine me, my friends or other peers growing up to be politicians, leaders, dictators, high profile etc...this generation seems to be losing faith in politics and it's more trendy than ever before to bash politicians and write them off as liars and hypocrits. We're getting wise. It's a passive thing.

There will certainly be no violent rebellion against any government. People just don't care about politicians any more. They have their own individual opinions outside of the political arena. Ask any young person about any politician. They don't care.

Like it or not, this is the future

angelm20

radiohead: The real power lies in people getting pissed and doing something to stop the madness. I dont put trust in politicians.[/quote wrote:

Ok~ so~ are you out on the streets?~ I stand like an idiot alone or with under 10 people trying to stop the madness and people like maybe you just go on their merry ways~
So comon! Lets go ~ Why are you people not on the streets of Washington demanding an end!!? Why arent you flooding their emails, faxes etc..etc..
Until WE THE PEOPLE stand up and scream~ we are in their hands.
Not to vote is the most ignorant thing you can do~thats really what they want and expect from people like you!~ I don't trust them either~ there has NEVER been a reason to trust them~ BUT~ I will vote for the best person for the job ~ making sure to attend their platform meetings and rallies to voice my conscious opinions...understanding that~ compromise is essential and to "flip Flop" opinions may occur as circumstances change and knowledge broadens~ But to each their own~

sweetpotato

radiohead33 wrote:

I am voting nader but at this point election 2008 doesnt interest me at all. AT ALL!

dude, i hope you're not waiting for nader to run in 2012. he'll be, like, 117 by then.

sweetpotato

radiohead33 wrote:

I cant think of many people I respect more than Uncle Bruce, Uncle Neil, Dylan, Ed, Bright Eyes, etc...

They exhude class and integrity in a world of fake and lies.

Which makes their support of Obama all the more head scratching.

Matt Taibbi talked about the 2 possible options. Either Obama really is a person who will change things, or he is the epitome of the disturbing lenghts to which the system continues to reinvent and package itself as something it isnt.

Obama isnt radical. He is a centrist. He isnt even antiwar. He will continue to keep troops in the middle east. Every single person I listed above is for pulling ALL troops out of the war. Many were antiwar before the war even began. Uncle Bruce was saying "Impeach Bush" and "bring em home" in 2003.

These are all intelligent rockers, intelligent individuals, who, I think I am not alone in saying this, helped in some way to shape my outlook on politics and life in general.

Obama's wearing the "mellencamp and uncle bruce" rolled up shirts is laughable. Bruce speaks to me and to us.

All Obama and Mccain want is our votes. There isnt gold at the end of the Election 2008 rainbow. Obama is a liar, all politicians are.

What doesnt make sense is why people act like obama is something different? We have hundreds of years of history, and every single election have been let down. Politicians are liars, BY NATURE. Why is obama exempt?

The war wont end by voting politicians into office. Nothing has ever changed by that action. The real power lies in people getting pissed and doing something to stop the madness. I dont put trust in politicians.

hmmm. perhaps these people you list, for whom you have such reverence, can see some potential in obama that you, in your ultra-left, self-righteous, judgemental, radical brilliance can't see. has that ever occurred to you??

angelm20

sweetpotato wrote:

hmmm. perhaps these people you list, for whom you have such reverence, can see some potential in obama that you, in your ultra-left, self-righteous, judgemental, radical brilliance can't see. has that ever occurred to you??

I knew I loved sweetpotatoes for a reason~ thank YOU ! Well said

Smellyman2

sweetpotato wrote:

dude, i hope you're not waiting for nader to run in 2012. he'll be, like, 117 by then.

Almost as old as McCain..

fuck

sweetpotato wrote:

hmmm. perhaps these people you list, for whom you have such reverence, can see some potential in obama that you, in your ultra-left, self-righteous, judgemental, radical brilliance can't see. has that ever occurred to you??

aren't you judging him by saying this?

a bit hypocritical, no?

Abookamongstthemany

sweetpotato wrote:

dude, i hope you're not waiting for nader to run in 2012. he'll be, like, 117 by then.

Math must not be one of your strong points.

sweetpotato

angelm19 wrote:

I knew I loved sweetpotatoes for a reason~ thank YOU ! Well said

no problem!

and remember, we're also high in potassium and fiber.

sweetpotato

_outlaw wrote:

aren't you judging him by saying this?

a bit hypocritical, no?

what? um, no. just pointing out what should have been obvious to him.

aren't you just looking for a fight where none exists?

a bit bored, hmm?

fuck

sweetpotato wrote:

what? um, no. just pointing out what should have been obvious to him.

aren't you just looking for a fight where none exists?

a bit bored, hmm?

oh, right. It should have been obvious to him that he's:

sweetpotato wrote:

ultra-left, self-righteous, judgemental, [and has] radical brilliance

My mistake. Of course I'm the one looking for the fight, and not you. After all, you didn't say what I just quoted.

ccRyderzz

Does anyone recall this history lesson..?? Damn little people have lots of Moxy at times.. Life goes on and keep on keeping on flying with the free speech that every Vietnam war veterans fought too keep safe/ every WWI/ every WWII, every civil war veteran even the French were here in the states along time ago the 13 Colonies? who do you think supplied us with weapons back in George Washington's day? YEP they were our friends that helped the Great Experiment called AMERICAS.. Lets go back to horse and buggies and pull out our walking shoes like Forest Gump did? Lewis and Clark walked across the whole damn Country and we all bitch when we have to drive to the store? come on people get a clue.. Walking was a very natural way to get around back then. riding a horse/ Did you know? Horses came from the Spanish conquers? Did you know the Spanish managed to steal all the gold from Our AZTEC people and the INCAS?
Yep They raped the Indian women and they wiped out a society that was peaceful and well established just because they could? GUNS VS SPEARS AND ROCKS. Gimme a break.. I am really tired of the dictatorship here in America.
Time for a change my friends? calling all angels.. HOPE

WaveCameCrashin

radiohead33 wrote:

I cant think of many people I respect more than Uncle Bruce, Uncle Neil, Dylan, Ed, Bright Eyes, etc...

They exhude class and integrity in a world of fake and lies.

Which makes their support of Obama all the more head scratching.

Matt Taibbi talked about the 2 possible options. Either Obama really is a person who will change things, or he is the epitome of the disturbing lenghts to which the system continues to reinvent and package itself as something it isnt.

Obama isnt radical. He is a centrist. He isnt even antiwar. He will continue to keep troops in the middle east. Every single person I listed above is for pulling ALL troops out of the war. Many were antiwar before the war even began. Uncle Bruce was saying "Impeach Bush" and "bring em home" in 2003.

These are all intelligent rockers, intelligent individuals, who, I think I am not alone in saying this, helped in some way to shape my outlook on politics and life in general.

Obama's wearing the "mellencamp and uncle bruce" rolled up shirts is laughable. Bruce speaks to me and to us.

All Obama and Mccain want is our votes. There isnt gold at the end of the Election 2008 rainbow. Obama is a liar, all politicians are.

What doesnt make sense is why people act like obama is something different? We have hundreds of years of history, and every single election have been let down. Politicians are liars, BY NATURE. Why is obama exempt?

The war wont end by voting politicians into office. Nothing has ever changed by that action. The real power lies in people getting pissed and doing something to stop the madness. I dont put trust in politicians.

Its nice to see someone that is not hittin the Obama BONG,because it's packed with false hope.

musicismylife78

i just love how no matter what is said on this board, some people miscontrue it. Title should have read "some on this board are so blind".

Whenever someone starts off a thread by saying,"there are few people I admire more than so and so", usually that person isnt out to demean or harass or slander those individuals. Yet people disreguarded that, and focuses on my criticism.

This board is so funny. if someone makes a statement like "Pj never made a bad album" that statement is accepted. But when someone criticises the band, in ways we have the full right to (ticket prices, etc...) people throw hissy fits and act like babies.

This is a legitimate topic. I called these people intelligent. yet people act like I called them the devil. Read the thread people! It isnt hard.

do people not read here?

fuck

ccRyderzz wrote:

Does anyone recall this history lesson..?? Damn little people have lots of Moxy at times.. Life goes on and keep on keeping on flying with the free speech that every Vietnam war veterans fought too keep safe/ every WWI/ every WWII, every civil war veteran even the French were here in the states along time ago the 13 Colonies? who do you think supplied us with weapons back in George Washington's day? YEP they were our friends that helped the Great Experiment called AMERICAS.. Lets go back to horse and buggies and pull out our walking shoes like Forest Gump did? Lewis and Clark walked across the whole damn Country and we all bitch when we have to drive to the store? come on people get a clue.. Walking was a very natural way to get around back then. riding a horse/ Did you know? Horses came from the Spanish conquers? Did you know the Spanish managed to steal all the gold from Our AZTEC people and the INCAS?
Yep They raped the Indian women and they wiped out a society that was peaceful and well established just because they could? GUNS VS SPEARS AND ROCKS. Gimme a break.. I am really tired of the dictatorship here in America.
Time for a change my friends? calling all angels.. HOPE

wtf are you talking about

writersu

MattyJoe wrote:

I don't understand why people view pulling troops out of the Middle East as such a noble, peaceful thing to do. It'll cause more violence and destruction than there was to begin with, both for our troops and for civilians over there. Granted, we should have never gone in, for sure. But pulling out would be a very stupid move.

In case you haven't noticed (since you're all so busy buying into the horseshit the media spoonfeeds you on a daily basis) things have actually settled down in Iraq. Pulling out will just cause more upheaval. Think gas prices are high now? Just wait until your "total pullout" notions come to fruition. $8 a gallon anyone?

amen to all you said. I agree.

and I always think of this.........
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGvQtumNAY

angelm20

ccRyderzz wrote:

Gimme a break.. I am really tired of the dictatorship here in America.
Time for a change my friends? calling all angels.. HOPE

My name is Angel~ I'm here~ I'm listening~ whatcha want to do? What are you suggesting? Do you want to come out on the streets with me? I need company~ I'm like Dylan switching out signs on the corner alone~ hmmmm