Man Made Global Warming

binauralonthecape

why do we all believe it?? i personally think its a joke, thoughts and comments.....

mammasan

binauralonthecape wrote:

why do we all believe it?? i personally think its a joke, thoughts and comments.....

I don't believe that global warming or global climate change is strickly a man made. It is a natural cycle that occurs to our planet. I do believe though that this time around man has had it's hand in either accelrating or intensifying it.

norm

Whether it's true or not we should be doing everything we can to stop pollution and make Earth a cleaner place to live.

sourdough

binauralonthecape wrote:

why do we all believe it?? i personally think its a joke, thoughts and comments.....

Why do you believe its a joke? I'm not entirely sure that some of the warming has some to do with natural cycles, however we cannot discount the role that we are playing.

If you accept the greenhouse theory and the fact that we are emitting billions of tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than you must conclude that it will have an effect on the atmospheric composition of the earth and an effect on climate.

binauralonthecape

its seems to me that global warming AND global cooling have always happened since the earths existence. Im not saying that we should turn a blind eye to better, cleaner energy as long as it makes sense for a consumers pov....the earth and the atmosphere are a lot more powerful than what we give it credit for.

chopitdown

cutback wrote:

Whether it's true or not we should be doing everything we can to stop pollution and make Earth a cleaner place to live.

well said.

even flow?

binauralonthecape wrote:

why do we all believe it?? i personally think its a joke, thoughts and comments.....

I'm a firm believer in the asthma and cancers from mankind. You?

inmytree

mmm...carbon dioxide in the air...oh, that sweet, sweet pollution...

yeah, it's a big joke, this whole global warming thing....perhaps those who believe it should make changes as they see fit and those who don't, can forget about it and move on...

onelongsong

binauralonthecape wrote:

why do we all believe it?? i personally think its a joke, thoughts and comments.....

ignorant people don't think man is responsable. we are thousands of years over-due for an ice age. that would be the natural cycle. with all the scientific proof i don't know how anyone could deny it. it doesn't take a genius to see the brown clouds hanging over our cities. that's man made. a child knows that all the concrete and asphalt in cities cause it to retain heat and evaporate rain. we were warned 30 years ago when the pollution we put into the atmosphere turned the rain acidic. between acid rain and logging; anyone can see how we killed the trees that purify our air.

now you tell me; which of those is not man-made.

binauralonthecape

sourdough wrote:

Why do you believe its a joke? I'm not entirely sure that some of the warming has some to do with natural cycles, however we cannot discount the role that we are playing.

If you accept the greenhouse theory and the fact that we are emitting billions of tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than you must conclude that it will have an effect on the atmospheric composition of the earth and an effect on climate.

but also remember that the US is always getting creamed for this, since we are the most powerful nation, but India and China are a hell of alot worse than we are, i believe that, for the worlds number one superpower, we do a pretty good job of conserving energy and tirelessly looking for ways to be more energy independent, which i think is the most important thing, enegry independence.

inmytree

binauralonthecape wrote:

but also remember that the US is always getting creamed for this, since we are the most powerful nation, but India and China are a hell of alot worse than we are, i believe that, for the worlds number one superpower, we do a pretty good job of conserving energy and tirelessly looking for ways to be more energy independent, which i think is the most important thing, enegry independence.

tirelessly...?

yeah, lowering mileage standards must have been tiring...

binauralonthecape

onelongsong wrote:

ignorant people don't think man is responsable. we are thousands of years over-due for an ice age. that would be the natural cycle. with all the scientific proof i don't know how anyone could deny it. it doesn't take a genius to see the brown clouds hanging over our cities. that's man made. a child knows that all the concrete and asphalt in cities cause it to retain heat and evaporate rain. we were warned 30 years ago when the pollution we put into the atmosphere turned the rain acidic. between acid rain and logging; anyone can see how we killed the trees that purify our air.

now you tell me; which of those is not man-made.

we were also warned in the 1970's of the next ice age fastly approaching, that never happened, and the acid rain stuff....whatever happened to that? seems like we are still chugging along just fine, to me, it just seems a little to early to tell if we really are making this global warming, i mean look at the 1920-1960 time frame, and i think we were a lot more careless then enviorment wise and there was no global warming then...

inmytree

binauralonthecape wrote:

we were also warned in the 1970's of the next ice age fastly approaching, that never happened, and the acid rain stuff....whatever happened to that? seems like we are still chugging along just fine, to me, it just seems a little to early to tell if we really are making this global warming, i mean look at the 1920-1960 time frame, and i think we were a lot more careless then enviorment wise and there was no global warming then...

enlighten us on the 1920 to 1960 time frame, please expand on this point....

binauralonthecape

inmytree wrote:

tirelessly...?

yeah, lowering mileage standards must have been tiring...

hey, ill be the first one to say we should reinstate mileage standards on all US vehicles, i think that is very important not only on an enviorment stance, but it also benefits us as consumers. We should always work on improving effiency in cars.

onelongsong

binauralonthecape wrote:

its seems to me that global warming AND global cooling have always happened since the earths existence. Im not saying that we should turn a blind eye to better, cleaner energy as long as it makes sense for a consumers pov....the earth and the atmosphere are a lot more powerful than what we give it credit for.

the earths fail safe system is its ice. ice reflects heat back into space.
the earth is very powerful and will cleanse itself as it did in the past. we caused it to need to cleanse itself and many will die because of it. those of us who bought large amounts of land in the safe areas will be in control. those of us with solar power will still have electricity. those who are prepared will survive. for the rest of you: may God have mercy on your souls.

inmytree

binauralonthecape wrote:

hey, ill be the first one to say we should reinstate mileage standards on all US vehicles, i think that is very important not only on an enviorment stance, but it also benefits us as consumers. We should always work on improving effiency in cars.

yet you say this:

binauralonthecape wrote:

we do a pretty good job of conserving energy and tirelessly looking for ways to be more energy independent

hippiemom

binauralonthecape wrote:

but also remember that the US is always getting creamed for this, since we are the most powerful nation, but India and China are a hell of alot worse than we are, i believe that, for the worlds number one superpower, we do a pretty good job of conserving energy and tirelessly looking for ways to be more energy independent, which i think is the most important thing, enegry independence.

We don't get hammered because we're powerful, we get hammered because we're energy hogs and refuse to do even the tiniest little thing about it, such as buying smaller cars or improving efficiency standards.

Per capita energy consumption, measured in kgoe (kilograms of oil equivalent) per person:

China - 1,138.3
India - 512.4
USA - 7,794.8

http://earthtrends.wri.org/searchable_db/index.php?theme=6&variable_ID=351&action=select_countries

binauralonthecape

inmytree wrote:

enlighten us on the 1920 to 1960 time frame, please expand on this point....

well, there was no standards on effiency and there was alot more pollution because it wasnt monitored...now we have a lot of people who recycle, organic goods are now mainstream, etc. i could go on and on. Our technology has helped us become more productive and less harmful to our surroundings.

inmytree

binauralonthecape wrote:

well, there was no standards on effiency and there was alot more pollution because it wasnt monitored...now we have a lot of people who recycle, organic goods are now mainstream, etc. i could go on and on. Our technology has helped us become more productive and less harmful to our surroundings.

do you have any data or links to back this up...?

binauralonthecape

inmytree wrote:

yet you say this:[/quote}
well, hybrid cars could be a solution, ethanol could be a stopgap, these are things that could possibly be big things down the road, remember we as a people are very stubborn, and dont like to change b/c some politician tells us to, i think if some of these advances so to be positive, then more people will invest in these changes.

binauralonthecape

hippiemom wrote:

We don't get hammered because we're powerful, we get hammered because we're energy hogs and refuse to do even the tiniest little thing about it, such as buying smaller cars or improving efficiency standards.

Per capita energy consumption, measured in kgoe (kilograms of oil equivalent) per person:

China - 1,138.3
India - 512.4
USA - 7,794.8

http://earthtrends.wri.org/searchable_db/index.php?theme=6&variable_ID=351&action=select_countries[/QUOT
when you look at india and china, these are the 2 most troubling nations to consider, india is a sweatshop haven, and china is extremely scary when you think of the fact that they are growing technology wise very fast, for every 1000 people there, only 8 own a vehicle, think 20 years down the line, when chinas population expands out to the other regions of the country and then think of the impact of many of them owning cars, could be pretty interesting

inmytree

binauralonthecape wrote:

well, hybrid cars could be a solution, ethanol could be a stopgap, these are things that could possibly be big things down the road, remember we as a people are very stubborn, and dont like to change b/c some politician tells us to, i think if some of these advances so to be positive, then more people will invest in these changes.

wait a minute, I'm confused...if you think global warming is a myth, then why would you support these efforts....?

onelongsong

binauralonthecape wrote:

we were also warned in the 1970's of the next ice age fastly approaching, that never happened, and the acid rain stuff....whatever happened to that? seems like we are still chugging along just fine, to me, it just seems a little to early to tell if we really are making this global warming, i mean look at the 1920-1960 time frame, and i think we were a lot more careless then enviorment wise and there was no global warming then...

global warming will bring another ice age. that's how the earth will cleanse itself. the ice water entering the oceans will change the current that brings warm water north and south. this is what keeps the nothern part and southern part of the globe warm. the massive storms will pull the pollution from the air and deposit it on the ground. this is proven with ice core samples. it's the way earth has always cleansed itself. the extreme cold pulled down from the upper atmosphere will cause snow and extremely cold temperatures. it is at this point the snow and ice will start reflecting heat back into space and the earth will start to balance itself again.

if you want to look at 1920 to 1960; what was the population then? WWII killed most of the male population. thus; the baby boom to repopulate. how many cars were there from 1920 to 1960 as compared to 1960 to 2007? how many people are heating their homes now compared to then? do we have more businesses now compared to then? how many trees were cut down to build houses then compared to now? if there's no acid rain; what killed the forests?

that's just a few things to think about.

binauralonthecape

i think i just get tired of the hate america crowd, all of this global warming hysteria is centered around how foolish and wasteful we are, im not saying we are perfect, but i think we are doing a good job of atleast listening to people and their ideas to make this earth a better place, all the news is so negative all the time and it creates this anger among us that our country sucks, ive listened to both sides and it really seems to me that global warming is something that, if in fact is happening, we dont control it.

binauralonthecape

inmytree wrote:

wait a minute, I'm confused...if you think global warming is a myth, then why would you support these efforts....?

i think MAN MADE global warming is a myth, i think eventually hybrid cars and alternate fuels such as ethanol, which is used in brazil, could help us not rely on oil from our buddies in the middle east.

blackredyellow

binauralonthecape wrote:

i think i just get tired of the hate america crowd, all of this global warming hysteria is centered around how foolish and wasteful we are, im not saying we are perfect, but i think we are doing a good job of atleast listening to people and their ideas to make this earth a better place, all the news is so negative all the time and it creates this anger among us that our country sucks, ive listened to both sides and it really seems to me that global warming is something that, if in fact is happening, we dont control it.

what? we are listening to people and their ideas to make this a better place? our energy legislation is written by oil executives. How does that make it a better place for anyone except for them and their shareholders?

binauralonthecape

onelongsong wrote:

global warming will bring another ice age. that's how the earth will cleanse itself. the ice water entering the oceans will change the current that brings warm water north and south. this is what keeps the nothern part and southern part of the globe warm. the massive storms will pull the pollution from the air and deposit it on the ground. this is proven with ice core samples. it's the way earth has always cleansed itself. the extreme cold pulled down from the upper atmosphere will cause snow and extremely cold temperatures. it is at this point the snow and ice will start reflecting heat back into space and the earth will start to balance itself again.

if you want to look at 1920 to 1960; what was the population then? WWII killed most of the male population. thus; the baby boom to repopulate. how many cars were there from 1920 to 1960 as compared to 1960 to 2007? how many people are heating their homes now compared to then? do we have more businesses now compared to then? how many trees were cut down to build houses then compared to now? if there's no acid rain; what killed the forests?

that's just a few things to think about.

good points, so you agree with me about the myth of man made global warming>? it seems like you contradict yourself from the first paragraph to the next, while i agree about the population increase, what i meant to say, (sorry if it didnt come out that way) is that we are doing alot more to protect the earth now than opposed to back then.

tybird

onelongsong wrote:

global warming will bring another ice age. that's how the earth will cleanse itself. the ice water entering the oceans will change the current that brings warm water north and south. this is what keeps the nothern part and southern part of the globe warm. the massive storms will pull the pollution from the air and deposit it on the ground. this is proven with ice core samples. it's the way earth has always cleansed itself. the extreme cold pulled down from the upper atmosphere will cause snow and extremely cold temperatures. it is at this point the snow and ice will start reflecting heat back into space and the earth will start to balance itself again.

if you want to look at 1920 to 1960; what was the population then? WWII killed most of the male population. thus; the baby boom to repopulate. how many cars were there from 1920 to 1960 as compared to 1960 to 2007? how many people are heating their homes now compared to then? do we have more businesses now compared to then? how many trees were cut down to build houses then compared to now? if there's no acid rain; what killed the forests?

that's just a few things to think about.

Don't forget the sheer number of men (& women) killed by WWI and the other associated conflicts like the Russian Civil War. One must also consider the de-forestation efforts that have occurred in Africa, Asia and South America in the post WWII period. The movement of industry from the First World to the Third World in the same time frame is also a contributing factor in the increased amounts of pollutants entering the atmosphere. The widespread use of PCBs, increased use of insecticides and the advent of strip-mining for coal are all important factors that really begin to accumulate and hit us in the post-1960 era.

hippiemom

binauralonthecape wrote:

i think i just get tired of the hate america crowd, all of this global warming hysteria is centered around how foolish and wasteful we are, im not saying we are perfect, but i think we are doing a good job of atleast listening to people and their ideas to make this earth a better place, all the news is so negative all the time and it creates this anger among us that our country sucks, ive listened to both sides and it really seems to me that global warming is something that, if in fact is happening, we dont control it.

Sure, we're happy to talk and listen, as long as we don't have to actually DO anything, or sacrifice anything. Americans act like it's their birthright to drive giant off-road vehicles, even if the furthest they ever get off the road is the mall parking lot. Heaven forbid any of us should ever get chilly and have to put on a sweater, or feel the tiniest bit warm in the summer. Sure, lots of people recycle, but plenty more can't be bothered. Here at work there is a bin for recycling paper that's next to the copy machine, and next to that is a garbage can. Every single fucking day I watch people stand there and toss their papers in the garbage. There's another bin for aluminum cans, and maybe half the people here use it. We won't pressure our government to raise efficiency standards, we won't support public transportation, we keep moving further and further into the countryside, building new and colossally inefficient neighborhoods, destroying the homes of our wildlife.

Yes, there are people who are aware and doing something about the problem to whatever degree they are able and I feel a lot of gratitude towards those people, but there are millions and millions who are oblivious, or just don't care about anyone but themselves.

binauralonthecape

blackredyellow wrote:

what? we are listening to people and their ideas to make this a better place? our energy legislation is written by oil executives. How does that make it a better place for anyone except for them and their shareholders?

considering the influence of oil and our culture, i would say its not surprising nor a terribly bad thing.

binauralonthecape

binauralonthecape wrote:

considering the influence of oil and our culture, i would say its not surprising nor a terribly bad thing.

ON our culture