Man Made Global Warming

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    just remember that we have all these luxuries that others dont b/c we as a people worked our asses off for generations to get where we are, we are best country on the planet and it goes to show the benefits of capitalism, although it seems more and more like we are headed to socialism.

    we worked our asses off to destroy this planet and did a great job. we can't breathe because of the pollution; we can't re-forest because the acid rain kills the plants. we can't eat wild fish anymore because of PCBs or mercury.
    we did a great job of it; that's for sure.
  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    blackredyellow wrote:
    it's not a bad thing that the companies that provide the largest polluting fuel writes laws about pollution? what is next, tobacco and alcohol companies writing health care legislation?



    So that means we get to do whatever we want to the earth just because we had a couple hundred good years out of the hundreds of millions that the earth has been around?
    you see, this is the real threat to our country, people like you, what should we do? we cant just get up tommorow morning and change everything that we MIGHT think is wrong, it takes alot of time, alot of political manuvering, and alot of our tax dollars to find out the best possible solution.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    you see, this is the real threat to our country, people like you, what should we do? we cant just get up tommorow morning and change everything that we MIGHT think is wrong, it takes alot of time, alot of political manuvering, and alot of our tax dollars to find out the best possible solution.
    Who are the people who are saying we should all hop out of bed tomorrow morning to a completely different world? Blackredyellow didn't say that. I haven't heard Al Gore say that. I haven't heard ANYONE say it. I've heard plenty of people saying that we need to start putting things in place now BECAUSE it's not something that can be done overnight.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    onelongsong wrote:
    we worked our asses off to destroy this planet and did a great job. we can't breathe because of the pollution; we can't re-forest because the acid rain kills the plants. we can't eat wild fish anymore because of PCBs or mercury.
    we did a great job of it; that's for sure.
    so what are we going to do, feel sorry for ourselves? again, not saying we are perfect, because were not, we are human, just saying that everyone seems to think america sucks, well go check out any other country in the world and tell me its a better place.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    so what are we going to do, feel sorry for ourselves? again, not saying we are perfect, because were not, we are human, just saying that everyone seems to think america sucks, well go check out any other country in the world and tell me its a better place.
    How many countries have you checked out?
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    you see, this is the real threat to our country, people like you, what should we do? we cant just get up tommorow morning and change everything that we MIGHT think is wrong, it takes alot of time, alot of political manuvering, and alot of our tax dollars to find out the best possible solution.


    I'm a threat to our country? coming from someone who said that it makes sense for oil executives to write our energy policy.

    You wanna see the auto industry and the energy companies come together and create a new, cleaner way for transportation? Here is what we do:

    Pass a law that by 2015 all new vehicles must either be powered by alternative fuels or if gasoline powered, must get 100 miles per gallon or they can't be sold or registered in the US.


    We put people into space, we can track down someone with gps to a square foot, we create weapons that we can fly a missle through a house window fro a thousand miles away, we can wirelessly beam signals across the globe in an instant.... I find it impossible to believe that we haven't been able to develop a better means of transportation in the last 120 years then an internal combustion engine.

    And what is this talk about hating america? Because people want things to change they hate america? give me a break.
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  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    hippiemom wrote:
    Who are the people who are saying we should all hop out of bed tomorrow morning to a completely different world? Blackredyellow didn't say that. I haven't heard Al Gore say that. I haven't heard ANYONE say it. I've heard plenty of people saying that we need to start putting things in place now BECAUSE it's not something that can be done overnight.
    we cant change our ways in such a drastic measure just b/c a movie comes out by some politician claiming that greenland will be no more in 20 yrs. If we are going to make changes, then it has to make sense to everyone, not just liberals, b/c this is what this debate has sadly morphed into, a liberal/conservative issue, next thing you know we are going to have carbon footprint meters on everyones house.
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  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I'm a threat to our country? coming from someone who said that it makes sense for oil executives to write our energy policy.

    You wanna see the auto industry and the energy companies come together and create a new, cleaner way for transportation? Here is what we do:

    Pass a law that by 2015 all new vehicles must either be powered by alternative fuels or if gasoline powered, must get 100 miles per gallon or they can't be sold or registered in the US.


    We put people into space, we can track down someone with gps to a square foot, we create weapons that we can fly a missle through a house window fro a thousand miles away, we can wirelessly beam signals across the globe in an instant.... I find it impossible to believe that we haven't been able to develop a better means of transportation in the last 120 years.
    we have developed different means of transportation but it hasnt been economically feasable to introduce it to the marketplace, im all for minimium fuel effiency standards to be put back in place.
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  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    hippiemom wrote:
    How many countries have you checked out?
    im guessing that you live in the united states? if you hate it so much, why havent you moved to a better country? that gives freedom to their people to choose and do how they please? i know you think our freedoms are a bad thing, and that government should tell us how to do everything, so why not go somewhere where that available.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    im guessing that you live in the united states? if you hate it so much, why havent you moved to a better country? that gives freedom to their people to choose and do how they please? i know you think our freedoms are a bad thing, and that government should tell us how to do everything, so why not go somewhere where that available.
    That didn't exactly answer my question.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    im guessing that you live in the united states? if you hate it so much, why havent you moved to a better country? that gives freedom to their people to choose and do how they please? i know you think our freedoms are a bad thing, and that government should tell us how to do everything, so why not go somewhere where that available.

    Doesn't change the fact that America is polluting our shared atmosphere, does it?
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  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    give me a break....that movie is about science, not one person's beliefs. and you are helping push the debate into a liberal/conservative one.

    you honestly think that we, as humans, are having NO IMPACT? go to a big city....you think that brown cloud was there before we got there? you think that it's not a bad thing?
    do you think cities are bad things?? im pretty sure that where alot of people live b/c they are great places with alot of oppurtunity where the good outweighs the bad.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    give me a break....that movie is about science, not one person's beliefs. and you are helping push the debate into a liberal/conservative one.

    you honestly think that we, as humans, are having NO IMPACT? go to a big city....you think that brown cloud was there before we got there? you think that it's not a bad thing?

    we didn't get any snow cover on the san francisco peaks this year. water is gettig scarce and fire danger is the highest in years.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    do you think cities are bad things?? im pretty sure that where alot of people live b/c they are great places with alot of oppurtunity where the good outweighs the bad.

    So... it's ok to kills a few billion people to support your lifestyle?
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  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    the mark of a master debater...throwing out the "you hate america" argument. brillaint!

    man, i'm hungy. i need me some freedom fries.
    what else would you call it? i dont think ive read one positive remark about our country since ive started this thread, not that its all your fault, the media that we have to listen to everyday slams our country repeatedly, so i can see why people have this view.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    so what are we going to do, feel sorry for ourselves? again, not saying we are perfect, because were not, we are human, just saying that everyone seems to think america sucks, well go check out any other country in the world and tell me its a better place.

    Well I can ramble off 24 countries that have a better public education system that the US. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but America is not the only great country to live in on this planet. There are plenty of other countries that offer the same opportunities and freedoms as this country. Secondly why shouldn't I come down hard on my own country for it's lack of action regardling pollution and global climate change. This is the country I live in and would like for it to be the best possible country it can be.
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  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    onelongsong wrote:
    we didn't get any snow cover on the san francisco peaks this year. water is gettig scarce and fire danger is the highest in years.
    thats weather, last time i checked, its always been unpredictable, and whats fire danger have to do with man made global warming?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    Well I can ramble off 24 countries that have a better public education system that the US. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but America is not the only great country to live in on this planet. There are plenty of other countries that offer the same opportunities and freedoms as this country. Secondly why shouldn't I come down hard on my own country for it's lack of action regardling pollution and global climate change. This is the country I live in and would like for it to be the best possible country it can be.

    Fact is, everyone who cares, like you, could leave America and it would turn to a complete pile of shit. Thanks for sticking around :)
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  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    binauralonthecape wrote:
    we were also warned in the 1970's of the next ice age fastly approaching, that never happened, and the acid rain stuff....whatever happened to that? seems like we are still chugging along just fine, to me, it just seems a little to early to tell if we really are making this global warming, i mean look at the 1920-1960 time frame, and i think we were a lot more careless then enviorment wise and there was no global warming then...
    The global cooling theory of the 70's was never a concensus amongst scientists. It was a coupld of climatologists which is very different from the amount of data we now have and the amount of global concensus amongst climate scientists. Acid rain wasn't supposed to kill us all but it has come at the cost of the contamination and much environmental harm that has damaged forests and contaminated water systems. It would be hard for anyone 50 years ago to believe that we would not eat food out of many of our major rivers, drink its water or swim in it. There has been much environmental harm that is still a problem today.
  • binauralonthecape
    binauralonthecape Posts: 257
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Doesn't change the fact that America is polluting our shared atmosphere, does it?
    no, but its not just america, remember, there are other places on earth.
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