Is all religion basically the same?

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yeah, it is... but if someone killed a beloved of mine i wouldn't know how i'd react... i might change my mind about the death penalty. God forbid.
    I would want that person to die. If I caught the person in the act, I might do it myself.

    But the things I want aren't always what's right.

    Besides, the thing with the death penalty is that it's a penalty. A punishment carried out by the State. One that can't be undone. It's not just the death - it's the death by the State that I don't like.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    even flow? wrote:
    If they are removing them from a time, place, yawn, etc. Then why exactly are you telling me about a book from at least 2000 years ago that has no relevence or bearing on the modern world what so ever. Maybe your boy Jesus needs to come back and revamp it then if the teachings don't hold water when you are in the discussion.

    to 87% of the world; 2000 and 4000 year old texts are relevent today. they had to be written as they were to keep that relevance through out time. you can nit-pick anything to death. look at this board. it's done with every subject. just because you look and see nothing; doesn't mean there's nothing there. what you're saying is a 2000 year old document is not relevent although it has proven the test of time for 2000 years and a majority of the population find the relevence.
    i think what you should be saying is YOU don't/cannot/will not see the relevence.
    Jesus and his lawyer are coming back; but why should he revamp anything for you? most of the population sees. thus no need to revamp.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    All you know of Jesus comes from the Bible, and all you know about its authors from the Bible as well. So you really don't know if you are being had.

    If you take other evidence into consideration then you are definitely being had.

    you mean he did drive a rolls???
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    you mean he did drive a rolls???

    I'm gonna suggest he never existed at all, he's a mythical character, an anthropormophism of some twisted ideology.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The Ten Commandments fulfilled by Jesus... That's another thing i will never understand... Jesus takes the rap for everyone that believes in Him... and nullifies the basics set into play by the Old Testament.
    Does this mean Thou CAN Kill? Thou CAN steal? And Jesus takes the blame?
    NO. But, the laws in the Old Testament are still in the books. They are still laws that modern societies 'CHOOSE' to ignore.
    it's been accomplished... therefore we don't worry about doing good... goodness is already inside of us. if you focus on the life of Jesus and his words goodness becomes you. it's no more of jumping through hoops to get to happiness... it's simply on one thing only.... Jesus.

    but if any man sins(which are basically the same things that you and i consider wrong, give or take a few other things)... Jesus will still be there to forgive you of your acts.

    the "laws still being in the book" are vital and necessary for us to understand the plan of God. if all of a sudden the book had begun with Matthew... we wouldn't have understood them or known the reasons why.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm gonna suggest he never existed at all, he's a mythical character, an anthropormophism of some twisted ideology.
    you're an anthropormophis
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    it's been accomplished... therefore we don't worry about doing good... goodness is already inside of us. if you focus on the life of Jesus and his words goodness becomes you. it's no more of jumping through hoops to get to happiness... it's simply on one thing only.... Jesus.

    but if any man sins(which are basically the same things that you and i consider wrong, give or take a few other things)... Jesus will still be there to forgive you of your acts.

    the "laws still being in the book" are vital and necessary for us to understand the plan of God. if all of a sudden the book had begun with Matthew... we wouldn't have understood them or known the reasons why.

    Find any other human being, it could be a member of your congregation, or the person you respect the very most. Get into conversation about every moral issue you can possibly think of and eventually you will disagree. You will find that agreeance is ultimately arrived at by reason, not Jesus.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm sorry, but that's a pretty weak religious argument in favor of the death penalty.

    i'm not arguing for the death penalty. simply answering a question posed. i do believe in culling the herd though. say i had a buffalo that was nothing but trouble. if i put it in an 5 foot by 8 foot pen i'd serve more jail time than if i killed a person. however; by killing the rouge buffalo; i'm simply culling the herd which is acceptable in our society.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Find any other human being, it could be a member of your congregation, or the person you respect the very most. Get into conversation about every moral issue you can possibly think of and eventually you will disagree. You will find that agreeance is ultimately arrived at by reason, not Jesus.
    you're right... but i'm not talking about that. regardless if we disagree with certain issues... eventually it is the mindset of christ that will bring us in agreeance. please don't make me explain that. after all, you're an atheist.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cornnifer wrote:
    What was provided were a couple of soundbites taken out of context. There IS no discussion without context. It's like when the news media airs one carefully selected sentence taken from an hour long interview and completely changes the meaning of a person's statements. Its an old trick that means nothing.
    ...
    See... this is EXACTLY what turns me away from Christianity. People who claim to be followers of Jesus and act like this.
    This 'Old Trick' you speak of is EXACTLY what Christians use to justify their actions as sanctioned by the Bible:
    Death penalty = "An eye for an eye".
    Gay Marriage = "An abomination" (from Leviticus)
    War = "I come not in Peace, but with the sword" - Jesus
    and on and on and on and on...
    ...
    Every example... one line, taken out of context. And old trick I learned back in my days as a Christian.
    ...
    I didn't like the hypocracy back then... and i still don't like it. I'll find God along my own way.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    See... this is EXACTLY what turns me away from Christianity. People who claim to be followers of Jesus and act like this.
    This 'Old Trick' you speak of is EXACTLY what Christians use to justify their actions as sanctioned by the Bible:
    Death penalty = "An eye for an eye".
    Gay Marriage = "An abomination" (from Leviticus)
    War = "I come not in Peace, but with the sword" - Jesus
    and on and on and on and on...
    ...
    Every example... one line, taken out of context. And old trick I learned back in my days as a Christian.
    ...
    I didn't like the hypocracy back then... and i still don't like it. I'll find God along my own way.
    you're absolutely right... that's why i am not a christian myself... but merely a child of God. you should be too.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm sorry, but that's a pretty weak religious argument in favor of the death penalty.

    wait; wait. what about self defence? also in the 619 commandment handed down to moses. in fact; all 619 laws of God are still relevent laws still on the books.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you're right... but i'm not talking about that. regardless if we disagree with certain issues... eventually it is the mindset of christ that will bring us in agreeance. please don't make me explain that. after all, you're an atheist.

    Right.. and you are from Austin...

    I understand the "Christ" mind set and it's not the only way of thinking. There are much better ways.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Right.. and you are from Austin...

    I understand the "Christ" mind set and it's not the only way of thinking. There are much better ways.
    oh, really, do you? you understand the mindset of Christ? then tell me what is his plan for the Church? what is his relationship with the church?
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    onelongsong wrote:
    wait; wait. what about self defence? also in the 619 commandment handed down to moses. in fact; all 619 laws of God are still relevent laws still on the books.
    Self defense is quite a bit different than capital punishment.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    oh, really, do you? you understand the mindset of Christ? then tell me what is his plan for the Church? what is his relationship with the church?

    He bestowed the church upon Peter (Rabbit) because he realized that most humans were too dumb to speak on his behalf.

    What is King Arthur's plan for the Round Table?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    He bestowed the church upon Peter (Rabbit) because he realized that most humans were too dumb to speak on his behalf.

    What is King Arthur's plan for the Round Table?
    ummm.... yeah, i didn't think so. again, afterall, you're an atheist. and i'm from austin ;)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    What are all 619 laws that are still relevant?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ummm.... yeah, i didn't think so. again, afterall, you're an atheist. and i'm from austin ;)

    Jesus' plan for you is to keep you in the dark about reality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Jesus' plan for you is to keep you in the dark about reality.
    nope... wrong again. it wasn't the question i asked.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.

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