I'm a non-practicing Catholic, and yes you're right. Under Catholicism you can't be condemned if you dont follow Jesus teachings cause you're unaware of him and his doings. Meaning Jesus won't send to hell anybody that doesn't acknowledge him. I remember a priest told me this when I took the first (and last) communion (like 20 years ago ).
I remember when The Last Temptation of Christ(Scorsese's movie) came out it was a big fuss here in Latin America and several countries banned the film and the Church said it would ex-comulgate catholics that went to see it. I did not know this (not that I would care ), but after reading this on the newspaper I asked a priest, that used to play tennis at my club, just for curiosity, and he told me that since I watched the movie without knowing that it could lead such penalty I was OK...
Cheers
Caterina
That movie is true, I, Jesus Christ, the One True Son of God, did have a wife and child.
That movie is true, I, Jesus Christ, the One True Son of God, did have a wife and child.
I loved the movie! I thought it was a great film with an excellent music score. I'll take your word for the accuracy of the facts portrayed in it, 'cause the last time I had anything to do with religion I was 13 years old (I'm 34 now).
For me the core of almost all religions is basically the same: be kind with your fellow human beings. People that consider themselves as religious and do not follow that "mantra" are doing a poor service to their credos, if you ask me.
I'm a non-practicing Catholic, and yes you're right. Under Catholicism you can't be condemned if you dont follow Jesus teachings cause you're unaware of him and his doings. Meaning Jesus won't send to hell anybody that doesn't acknowledge him. I remember a priest told me this when I took the first (and last) communion (like 20 years ago ).
I remember when The Last Temptation of Christ(Scorsese's movie) came out it was a big fuss here in Latin America and several countries banned the film and the Church said it would ex-comulgate catholics that went to see it. I did not know this (not that I would care ), but after reading this on the newspaper I asked a priest, that used to play tennis at my club, just for curiosity, and he told me that since I watched the movie without knowing that it could lead such penalty I was OK...
Cheers
Caterina
taught by a priest. a man. did he also tell you that it was a scare tactic to recruit more catholics? what Jesus taught and what the church teaches are 2 different things. Jesus fought against organized religions.
taught by a priest. a man. did he also tell you that it was a scare tactic to recruit more catholics? what Jesus taught and what the church teaches are 2 different things. Jesus fought against organized religions.
Nope he did not, anyway I don't recall much of the priest's teachings because, as I said before, it was a long long time ago. I never went to a Catholic school, I only took Catholicism lessons during the year prior to my First Communion (it was mandatory). I just tried to answer Fanch75 question about Catholicism and going to hell.
I'm aware that the Catholic Church commited horrendous crimes in the name of Jesus, and has failed to adapt to current times, which is why it's having such a had time these days to gather (let alone keep) its adepts
Jesus during his last years (which, besides his birth, are thew only ones told in the Bible) tried to fight against the leaders of his religion 'cause he felt they were driving religion apart from the people. I'm aware of this.
wait; wait. what about self defence? also in the 619 commandment handed down to moses. in fact; all 619 laws of God are still relevent laws still on the books.
I think this must be the 619th time I've asked you, and never once received an answer .... where can the rest of us have a look at these 619 commandments?
In other words, do the larger world religions basically ask the same of people and, if followed in a positive way, do they result in essentially the same thing?
no, and no, imo.
the more i learn about islam, the more i doubt that it is all that similar to christianity or judaism in that it does seem to promote and glorify violence against non-believers. and while God himself may punish non-believers in the judaic and christian holy books, your average joe- or in this case osama- is called upon to hand out punishment on his fellow man according to the koran. :(
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I think this must be the 619th time I've asked you, and never once received an answer .... where can the rest of us have a look at these 619 commandments?
FOR THE 620TH TIME; IN THE KORAN. the bible does mention the laws of God but you're better off reading the koran.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i never said Jesus wrote the bible. it was in response to the comment that the elite formed religions.
It was in response to Ahnimus posting "They all ask you to suspend reason and submit your life to the elite who write the religion." Jesus didn't write anything that we know of.
FOR THE 620TH TIME; IN THE KORAN. the bible does mention the laws of God but you're better off reading the koran.
I probably don't have all that long to be on this planet, and there's no way I'm going to waste any significant chunk of time reading the Koran (it really does make for horrible reading). Surely there is a summarization somewhere? Or could you at least give me the chapter and verse where they begin?
you posted the link. read it. they're spread out in the bible so they're easier to find in the koran. the problem is in the translation. for example; in hebrew; it says thou shalt not murder. it's translated as thou shalt not kill. we find that in modern law too. i am allowed to kill to protect myself although i'm not allowed to murder. just an example of how modern law mirrors the 619 laws of God.
good reading.
you posted the link. read it. they're spread out in the bible so they're easier to find in the koran. the problem is in the translation. for example; in hebrew; it says thou shalt not murder. it's translated as thou shalt not kill. we find that in modern law too. i am allowed to kill to protect myself although i'm not allowed to murder. just an example of how modern law mirrors the 619 laws of God.
good reading.
Where in the Koran?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Loyola requires 4 years of theology classes to graduate?
Holy college party sobriety guilt trip...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It was in response to Ahnimus posting "They all ask you to suspend reason and submit your life to the elite who write the religion." Jesus didn't write anything that we know of.
Jesus asked only 3 things of us.
1) love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
2) honor my (his) father
3) take care of my (his) children.
everything else is smoke and mirrors.
I probably don't have all that long to be on this planet, and there's no way I'm going to waste any significant chunk of time reading the Koran (it really does make for horrible reading). Surely there is a summarization somewhere? Or could you at least give me the chapter and verse where they begin?
i would if i could remember where. it is horrible reading but it's a great story whether you believe it or not. better than harry potter anyway. the history channel runs a documentary about the 619 commandments now and then. believe it or not; it's not really religious. i just tivo'd it so i can let you know when it's coming on. it's called the 10 commandments and it's an hour long. like i said; i didn't find it religious.
Sorry, my mistake. I interpreted your post as meaning you majored in theology, not just took the required courses.
i hated the course. especially being taught by jesuit priests. third year we had a professor that taught taoism; buddism; hindu; and other eastern religions. i found that interesting.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You said theology was a requirement of your "Law" class. What was your law class called?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You said theology was a requirement of your "Law" class. What was your law class called?
I'm sure the theology courses were required in his bachelor's program. I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the U.S. law school is a 3-year post graduate program that does not include any theology.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I probably don't have all that long to be on this planet, and there's no way I'm going to waste any significant chunk of time reading the Koran (it really does make for horrible reading). Surely there is a summarization somewhere? Or could you at least give me the chapter and verse where they begin?
actually we all are already wasting a big chunk of time on these boards...
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
I'm sure the theology courses were required in his bachelor's program. I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the U.S. law school is a 3-year post graduate program that does not include any theology.
Ok. I was having trouble finding where theology is required for Law on the Loyola University website.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
do you actually put so much effort to prove a little something false?
Yea. When it comes to truth propositions.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You said theology was a requirement of your "Law" class. What was your law class called?
when did i say that? theology is required for graduation period. it has nothing to do with law. i'm talking about the college prep in wilmette illinois. what the hell are you talking about?
when did i say that? theology is required for graduation period. it has nothing to do with law. i'm talking about the college prep in wilmette illinois. what the hell are you talking about?
Theology is required for graduation from what?
Oh I see, Loyola Academy, not Loyola University....
A Jesuit.... yea that's not bias.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i see where i went wrong. when i said it was taught by jesuit priests; i assumed everyone would know which loyola i meant. sorry about that.
Ah ... when you first said you studied law at Loyola, I thought you meant the law school in L.A. (you being in California and all). Then when you mentioned theology I thought you meant Loyola University in Chicago.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Ah ... when you first said you studied law at Loyola, I thought you meant the law school in L.A. (you being in California and all). Then when you mentioned theology I thought you meant Loyola University in Chicago.
it's my own fault. i try to rush through answers and it just gets me in trouble. i'll try to be more forthcoming with the details. the colleges i attended were all in illinois. i came west to retire in 1996 and got bored. please question me if i don't give all the information. i'm not trying to be cryptic; just fast.
do you actually put so much effort to prove a little something false?
It's more about being surprised you didn't already know it, so you decide to make sure you are properly informed as to verify something you perhaps didn't know for future reference
the question is returned mostly out of wanting closure to that specific branch of thought without having to speculate
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It's more about being surprised you didn't already know it, so you decide to make sure you are properly informed as to verify something you perhaps didn't know for future reference
the question is returned mostly out of wanting closure to that specific branch of thought without having to speculate
out of some dudes college courses?!?!? geesh, freaking nerds man!
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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I loved the movie! I thought it was a great film with an excellent music score. I'll take your word for the accuracy of the facts portrayed in it, 'cause the last time I had anything to do with religion I was 13 years old (I'm 34 now).
For me the core of almost all religions is basically the same: be kind with your fellow human beings. People that consider themselves as religious and do not follow that "mantra" are doing a poor service to their credos, if you ask me.
taught by a priest. a man. did he also tell you that it was a scare tactic to recruit more catholics? what Jesus taught and what the church teaches are 2 different things. Jesus fought against organized religions.
Nope he did not, anyway I don't recall much of the priest's teachings because, as I said before, it was a long long time ago. I never went to a Catholic school, I only took Catholicism lessons during the year prior to my First Communion (it was mandatory). I just tried to answer Fanch75 question about Catholicism and going to hell.
I'm aware that the Catholic Church commited horrendous crimes in the name of Jesus, and has failed to adapt to current times, which is why it's having such a had time these days to gather (let alone keep) its adepts
Jesus during his last years (which, besides his birth, are thew only ones told in the Bible) tried to fight against the leaders of his religion 'cause he felt they were driving religion apart from the people. I'm aware of this.
I think this must be the 619th time I've asked you, and never once received an answer .... where can the rest of us have a look at these 619 commandments?
I thought you studied law at Loyola?
no, and no, imo.
the more i learn about islam, the more i doubt that it is all that similar to christianity or judaism in that it does seem to promote and glorify violence against non-believers. and while God himself may punish non-believers in the judaic and christian holy books, your average joe- or in this case osama- is called upon to hand out punishment on his fellow man according to the koran. :(
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
i never said Jesus wrote the bible. it was in response to the comment that the elite formed religions.
FOR THE 620TH TIME; IN THE KORAN. the bible does mention the laws of God but you're better off reading the koran.
theology is required for graduation.
Where?
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
I probably don't have all that long to be on this planet, and there's no way I'm going to waste any significant chunk of time reading the Koran (it really does make for horrible reading). Surely there is a summarization somewhere? Or could you at least give me the chapter and verse where they begin?
Sorry, my mistake. I interpreted your post as meaning you majored in theology, not just took the required courses.
you posted the link. read it. they're spread out in the bible so they're easier to find in the koran. the problem is in the translation. for example; in hebrew; it says thou shalt not murder. it's translated as thou shalt not kill. we find that in modern law too. i am allowed to kill to protect myself although i'm not allowed to murder. just an example of how modern law mirrors the 619 laws of God.
good reading.
Where in the Koran?
Holy college party sobriety guilt trip...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Jesus asked only 3 things of us.
1) love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
2) honor my (his) father
3) take care of my (his) children.
everything else is smoke and mirrors.
i would if i could remember where. it is horrible reading but it's a great story whether you believe it or not. better than harry potter anyway. the history channel runs a documentary about the 619 commandments now and then. believe it or not; it's not really religious. i just tivo'd it so i can let you know when it's coming on. it's called the 10 commandments and it's an hour long. like i said; i didn't find it religious.
i hated the course. especially being taught by jesuit priests. third year we had a professor that taught taoism; buddism; hindu; and other eastern religions. i found that interesting.
theology.
You said theology was a requirement of your "Law" class. What was your law class called?
Ok. I was having trouble finding where theology is required for Law on the Loyola University website.
The Koran, on the other hand .... not at all enjoyable.
Yea. When it comes to truth propositions.
when did i say that? theology is required for graduation period. it has nothing to do with law. i'm talking about the college prep in wilmette illinois. what the hell are you talking about?
Theology is required for graduation from what?
Oh I see, Loyola Academy, not Loyola University....
A Jesuit.... yea that's not bias.
i see where i went wrong. when i said it was taught by jesuit priests; i assumed everyone would know which loyola i meant. sorry about that.
it's my own fault. i try to rush through answers and it just gets me in trouble. i'll try to be more forthcoming with the details. the colleges i attended were all in illinois. i came west to retire in 1996 and got bored. please question me if i don't give all the information. i'm not trying to be cryptic; just fast.
It's more about being surprised you didn't already know it, so you decide to make sure you are properly informed as to verify something you perhaps didn't know for future reference
the question is returned mostly out of wanting closure to that specific branch of thought without having to speculate
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")