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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    Yes, you're doing just fine right now. You're a law-abiding citizen, and you don't criticize the administration much, if at all, so you have no worries. True enough.

    Let's fast forward 5 or 10 or 20 years. There's a different administration, of course, as far to the left as the current one is to the right. You don't agree with anything they're doing, and you're not shy about saying so. A sizeable number of people are beginning to listen to you, and the government thinks you're getting to be a bit of a pest. Under the laws put in place by the Bush administration, they could designate you an "enemy combatant" and whisk you off somewhere without notifying your family, without going in front of a judge, without letting you speak to a lawyer or anyone else.

    that is not happening. the laws are designed to get the bad guys. im not one of them, never will be, even if there is a far left government in place.

    see people assume im a far right republican. i'm not. im more of a nationalist or traditionalist and try to find the good in any government that is in place. I believe america is inheritly good. I dont dislike democrats or their polices. I try to call it like i see it. everyone seems to HATE the current government, I dont. do I agree with everything bush has done, fuck no.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Truthmonger wrote:
    So, if you're deemed to be an enemy combatant, which is happening with alarming regularity, [/url]

    no its not.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that is not happening. the laws are designed to get the bad guys. im not one of them, never will be, even if there is a far left government in place.

    see people assume im a far right republican. i'm not. im more of a nationalist or traditionalist and try to find the good in any government that is in place. I believe america is inheritly good. I dont dislike democrats or their polices. I try to call it like i see it. everyone seems to HATE the current government, I dont. do I agree with everything bush has done, fuck no.
    Who cares what they were designed for? It's what they SAY that matters. Some future administration with sinister motives isn't going to say "oh dear, it wasn't DESIGNED for this, so we cant use it that way!" What the law says is that anyone who is designated an enemy combatant can be indefinitely detained. That designation is entirely up to the president. Do you honestly believe that it's impossible for the U.S. to elect a president who may abuse that kind of power? Do you honestly believe that no U.S. government would abuse the power to spy on it's own citizens? Have you ever heard of J. Edgar Hoover?

    It's really hard for me to imagine that you are that naive.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    Who cares what they were designed for? It's what they SAY that matters. Some future administration with sinister motives isn't going to say "oh dear, it wasn't DESIGNED for this, so we cant use it that way!" What the law says is that anyone who is designated an enemy combatant can be indefinitely detained. That designation is entirely up to the president. Do you honestly believe that it's impossible for the U.S. to elect a president who may abuse that kind of power? Do you honestly believe that no U.S. government would abuse the power to spy on it's own citizens? Have you ever heard of J. Edgar Hoover?

    It's really hard for me to imagine that you are that naive.

    I dont ever intend on being an enemy combatant. no matter how the president defines it.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that is not happening. the laws are designed to get the bad guys. im not one of them, never will be, even if there is a far left government in place.

    see people assume im a far right republican. i'm not. im more of a nationalist or traditionalist and try to find the good in any government that is in place. I believe america is inheritly good. I dont dislike democrats or their polices. I try to call it like i see it. everyone seems to HATE the current government, I dont. do I agree with everything bush has done, fuck no.

    The point your missing is those in power like to keep it. They are stripping us of our ability to keep them in check and maintain a balance.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I dont ever intend on being an enemy combatant. no matter how the president defines it.
    So if a president defines an enemy combatant as anyone who incites disloyalty against the United States, and he interprets that to mean anyone who criticizes our military, and our military is doing something that you think is reprehensible, are you just going to shut up?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    So if a president defines an enemy combatant as anyone who incites disloyalty against the United States, and he interprets that to mean anyone who criticizes our military, and our military is doing something that you think is reprehensible, are you just going to shut up?


    wont happen. dont tell me it already is. if that was the case, everyone here would be in jail
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wont happen. dont tell me it already is. if that was the case, everyone here would be in jail
    And how is it exactly that you know it won't happen? You don't read a lot of history, do you?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wont happen. dont tell me it already is. if that was the case, everyone here would be in jail


    you ever hear of the sedition act?

    SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....


    so... dont tell me it cannot happen.... IT HAS HAPPENED... only now, if an administration were to inact such a law, the fine would not be limited, and the sentence would not be 20 years, it could be forever, without the right to know why you are in prison, without the right to an attourney, without basic human rights guarding you from torture,


    ever heard of internment camps???
    american citizens swept off the streets and put into work camps for commiting NO CRIME WHATSOEVER?

    please do not tell me it cannot happen... IT HAS HAPPENED, only now, there is no guarentee of getting out, under our new laws you can just be made to dissapear.... no trial, no questions asked, just gone. THESE ARE FACTS!!!!!! not opinions, facts. this is what america has become, im not happy about it either, mabey i should give that anger manegment class a call for being upset by something so trivial as loss of liberty, freedom, human rights, and the complete fear and apathy that encourages this abomination to continue.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    robbie wrote:
    you ever hear of the sedition act?

    SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....


    so... dont tell me it cannot happen.... IT HAS HAPPENED... only now, if an administration were to inact such a law, the fine would not be limited, and the sentence would not be 20 years, it could be forever, without the right to know why you are in prison, without the right to an attourney, without basic human rights guarding you from torture,


    ever heard of internment camps???
    american citizens swept off the streets and put into work camps for commiting NO CRIME WHATSOEVER?

    please do not tell me it cannot happen... IT HAS HAPPENED, only now, there is no guarentee of getting out, under our new laws you can just be made to dissapear.... no trial, no questions asked, just gone. THESE ARE FACTS!!!!!! not opinions, facts. this is what america has become, im not happy about it either, mabey i should give that anger manegment class a call for being upset by something so trivial as loss of liberty, freedom, human rights, and the complete fear and apathy that encourages this abomination to continue.

    well you keep up the good fight and i'll go on living my extremely happy successful life ok? great
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well you keep up the good fight and i'll go on living my extremely happy successful life ok? great
    Oh, that's a wonderful attitude! The hell with the people languishing right now in jail cells. I've got mine, whoo!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well you keep up the good fight and i'll go on living my extremely happy successful life ok? great

    Good call. And the best revenge with this lunatic fringe is to live well, live long, and laugh.


    They call us paranoid.................... go figure.
    Why go home

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well you keep up the good fight and i'll go on living my extremely happy successful life ok? great


    For now. Just know that all that can change rather quickly especially if you turn a blind eye.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh, that's a wonderful attitude! The hell with the people languishing right now in jail cells. I've got mine, whoo!

    I know! Screw everyone as long as I have all my contentment and distractions!!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well you keep up the good fight and i'll go on living my extremely happy successful life ok? great


    you would have been very happy in the BAATH party, you also would have been extremely satisfied as a member of the SS. the Taliban would have served you well. who needs human rights as long as I am not the victim. never question your government... ONLY TRUST your government. in fact, why even have the option to trust or not to trust the government, simply give the government all the power, and as long as you never question them, as long as you stay in line and never rock the boat, they will protect you from whatever they say is endangering you...... im not sure where you live exactly.... but i know you would be VERY satisfied in NORTH KOREA. those people are not paranoid that their government is conspiring against them, you never see any NUTS who need anger management questioning their dear leader. it would be perfect for you.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    robbie wrote:
    you would have been very happy in the BAATH party, you also would have been extremely satisfied as a member of the SS. the Taliban would have served you well. who needs human rights as long as I am not the victim. never question your government... ONLY TRUST your government. in fact, why even have the option to trust or not to trust the government, simply give the government all the power, and as long as you never question them, as long as you stay in line and never rock the boat, they will protect you from whatever they say is endangering you...... im not sure where you live exactly.... but i know you would be VERY satisfied in NORTH KOREA. those people are not paranoid that their government is conspiring against them, you never see any NUTS who need anger management questioning their dear leader. it would be perfect for you.


    actually I wouldnt have any freedoms under the taliban or baath party or north korea. in america I do.
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    jlew24asu wrote:
    actually I wouldnt have any freedoms under the taliban or baath party or north korea. in america I do.


    you would have the same freedoms there as you USE here...

    OBEY THE GOVERNMENT, NEVER question the government, ALWAYS TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, regard those who protest the loss of freedom as NUTS, a lunatic fringe, in need of mental help...

    i think you would fit in just fine with that attitude.

    why do you need rights anyway, isnt being safe more important than being free?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    robbie wrote:
    you would have the same freedoms there as you USE here...

    OBEY THE GOVERNMENT, NEVER question the government, ALWAYS TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, regard those who protest the loss of freedom as NUTS, a lunatic fringe, in need of mental help...

    i think you would fit in just fine with that attitude.

    why do you need rights anyway, isnt being safe more important than being free?


    obey the government? you mean follow the laws? ok. I always question the goervnment. it is allowed.

    in the countries you mentioned, there are no rights. here I have plenty
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    obey the government? you mean follow the laws? ok. I always question the goervnment. it is allowed.

    in the countries you mentioned, there are no rights. here I have plenty


    What are all of these freedoms that you have here, that you wouldn't have there?
    24 years old, mid-life crisis
    nowadays hits you when you're young
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    What are all of these freedoms that you have here, that you wouldn't have there?


    I dont have to listen or watch one TV or radio program. I can stand on the corner with a sign that says IMPEACH BUSH. I dont have to keep a picture of bush on my wall. I wont be hung or stoned to death for not being a muslim.



    I really dont feel the need to go on. if you dont see the difference im sad for you.

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