These adds just show what the GOP thinks of Americans: stupid, mindless fools who believe anything they see on TV. Sad that a party has to resort to counting on the vote of the ignorant to gain and remain power.
no, what's sad is that the GOP is probably right about that.
Please ignore jlew24asu he has a habit of putting people down when they don't say the things that he like's to hear.
You have every right to be angry about the state of politics in your country. Hell it's a scary thing to watch.
how did I put him down? I suggested he needed anger management in a respectful way. even the administrator of this board agreed to some extent. the admin locked his thread. did you even see how angry his posts are?
I can agree with your views on this ad ... But reading your temper tantrum from before made be utterly disgusted, I think that post should be deleted rather than just locked. I too am guilty of shooting off my mouth at times, but damn. Some self-reflection would be a good idea here.
I can agree with your views on this ad ... But reading your temper tantrum from before made be utterly disgusted, I think that post should be deleted rather than just locked. I too am guilty of shooting off my mouth at times, but damn. Some self-reflection would be a good idea here.
I find it interesting that the antiwar folks grab onto this 665k number as if a burning bush revealed it to us through some divine communication, and the pro-Iraq war folks dismiss it like a fortune cookie.
i guess everyone is guilty of selective attention.
I don't speak for anyone but me. I believe today, as I did a year ago that 665k is a low estimate.
I believe during the bombing campaign before the invasion - we took out two divisions of their military.. there likey more than a quarter million people killed. All that before the ground invasion and the years of war that followed.
Here's an interesting commentary about the new GOP ad. It points out that the ad makes use of videos produced by al-Qaeda. Al Qaeda uses these same videos for recruitment purposes.
So the Republicans are helping recruit for al-Qaeda. Here in the US.
Isn't that special?
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
the best thing that can happen to this country is for the republicans to hold on to congress.. we need a catastraphy to snap out of it
Dude, this kind of thinking is just ... pathological. The current state of affairs in the world is more than crazy and catastrophic enough. Its about time for a change of government in the U.S. (an opinion many on here would agree with) ... Why not work towards that? You and robbie with your comments about nuking and catastrophes. You guys have actually bought into what people like Bush and Al Qaida want, hook, line, sinker. Scared, to the point where you think things need to get worse?
Dude, this kind of thinking is just ... pathological. The current state of affairs in the world is more than crazy and catastrophic enough. Its about time for a change of government in the U.S. (an opinion many on here would agree with) ... Why not work towards that? You and robbie with your comments about nuking and catastrophes. You guys have actually bought into what people like Bush and Al Qaida want, hook, line, sinker. Scared, to the point where you think things need to get worse?
People here, in general, don't see things as going badly...at least not enough to take a stand against it. They only see that their own lives are surrounded by comfort and convenience. They fail to realize that these problems are growing bigger and bigger and will eventually effect them, as well. It seems that the only way to get people to wake up and start caring is for some of this shit to start directly effecting them too. That's the only thing that might shake the apathy off.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Dude, this kind of thinking is just ... pathological. The current state of affairs in the world is more than crazy and catastrophic enough. Its about time for a change of government in the U.S. (an opinion many on here would agree with) ... Why not work towards that? You and robbie with your comments about nuking and catastrophes. You guys have actually bought into what people like Bush and Al Qaida want, hook, line, sinker. Scared, to the point where you think things need to get worse?
whoa.....when did i say i wanted things to get worse? where i was at fault was in my original post..... very angry, and irrational. but i had just seen the ad, and i do not enjoy being blackmailed with the option, vote republican or suffer a worse terrorist attck than 9/11. i do not take being bullied lightly. i would spit in the face of terrorists like bin laden and i would spit in the face of the animals that made this video. terrorism is terrorism. of course i over reacted. in a moment of anger i said the terrorists who made this ad should be tortured and raped. WAY out of line. but that was somethin i said in a moment of anger , then not even a half hour later made a much more reasoned post without any threatening language. this is how i differ from the GOP. the GOP actually applauds the fact that we rape and torture, we have raped, we have tortured, and we have passed legislation pardoning those actions retroactivly. this country is deeply devided. there are those who fight for freedom and those who fight for safety. both seem to feel equally as strong about their convictions. i believe we can have both, but given the choice, i choose to be free even if it makes me less safe, others choose to be safe, even if it makes them less free. what is more important to you freedom or safety? really, i am curious to see peoples answer to this, what do you hold more dear. i was wrong to write the original post speaking of harming others, that is not what i want, moreover, it is against my personal beliefs. i believe STRONGLY in more speach over limited speech. the GOP has every right to use these terrorist tactics, they are not causing bodily harm, it is only speech, but it should be met with repulsion, it should be met with anger, disbelief, and more speech, speech saying I AM NOT AFRAID! you will not terrorise me into keeping your corruption in power. what angers me is the stupidity and fear of the american public, there was a post in this thread saying i was angry because i knew this tactic would work. whoever said that... you are correct. the american public are cowards. proof of this is our disregard of our ideals in order to feel less afraid. i apologise for a momentary lapse of reason, i dont know what else to say except im sorry. that is not how i feel, it is how i felt after being treated the way i was by the government in this ad.
Dude, this kind of thinking is just ... pathological. The current state of affairs in the world is more than crazy and catastrophic enough. Its about time for a change of government in the U.S. (an opinion many on here would agree with) ... Why not work towards that? You and robbie with your comments about nuking and catastrophes. You guys have actually bought into what people like Bush and Al Qaida want, hook, line, sinker. Scared, to the point where you think things need to get worse?
pathological? there are still a significant percentage of Americans that support Bush and the war. a simple balanced out election will be just more of the same more of the same is not what is needed
America's response to terrorism was a brief trip to Afghansitan followed by an all-out war in Iraq. Certainly you must concede that Iraq had (and has) nothing to do with terrorism in the United States. The whole Iraq war is a sham. If the Republicans had poured money into solving the problem rather than inciting new terrorists, your life would be better and safer right now.
You say that Americans have to face that facts that there is a movement to kill Americans. You have to know that there is a movement to kill Americans, because Americans are perceived to be greedy and they don't care about anybody else in the world other than themselves. Where does this reputation come from? There are a few men with power and money acting on America's behalf who, with their greed and lack of respect, ignite these reputations. Do you think that these terrorist groups just woke up one day and harboured ill-will to Americans for no reason?
The terrorism situation in America really has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. Both parties have their share of money-hungry savages who would start a war to make a dollar. It just so happens that a Republican is actually doing it now. The worst part of an ad like this one is not that Republicans are using terrorism to win votes, it's that they have had 5 years to do something about terrorism and an ad like this shows exactly what they have done to curb terrorism: nothing. Scrutinizing people at the airport is about as effective at stopping terrorism as a piss in the ocean is effective at raising the sea level. I'm not saying that the Democrats could have (or would have) done any better. I'm just saying that the Republicans made the whole world a worse place to live in the last 5 years so that a couple of guys could get richer.
These adds just show what the GOP thinks of Americans: stupid, mindless fools who believe anything they see on TV. Sad that a party has to resort to counting on the vote of the ignorant to gain and remain power.
Open, that is ridiculous. You think that we shouldn't believe what is in the ad? Those are not real video clips? You can't defend your statement that someone is ignorant for believing the ad is factual. Maybe you mean that the ad will cause someone to believe that the Republican's will better serve us and that those clips are being misused, but to say the they are stupid for believing the clips are true is not defendable. But please read on...
I am not in the least offended by the ad, but I am because of the spin the left is making on it...of course the Republican's are trying to win the election, and from what i have seen of this ad, I don't think there is any reference or slam on the dems. It is all based on the what the terrorists are saying...
Now I can understand why the left is offended, because the implication is we (GOP) is better equiped to protect you than are opponets. That is the rub for democrats. I say the left supports that theory by how they handle the issue. And what ad is not meant to make your opponet appear a lessor choice anyway?
Question is, from what I can see of the reaction here and in the media the left deals with this 'rub' by saying the real terrorists are the Republican's and that we should all forget about real terrorism ....that is the rub for the rest of us because it is not based on common sense, which most American's live by.
I agree that Iraq is this Administrations fault, and they will fall or stand in 2008 by this issues, maybe even 2006. But the House has little to do with foreign policy and only a third of the Senate is up for reelection in 2006. But in reality the dems want to make this election about the war, and the GOP has responded.
You can't blame GOP for this ad, you know that you want this election about the war so quite being hypocrites. Totally illogical but I expect nothing less.
As for the last 5 years, a do-over would be nice, but only if we didn't have the Democratic and Republican parties and the media with the same messed up mindset. Somewhere along the way it all became about who's wrong rather than what's right.
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Open, that is ridiculous. You think that we shouldn't believe what is in the ad? Those are not real video clips? You can't defend your statement that someone is ignorant for believing the ad is factual. Maybe you mean that the ad will cause someone to believe that the Republican's will better serve us and that those clips are being misused, but to say the they are stupid for believing the clips are true is not defendable. But please read on...
I am not in the least offended by the ad, but I am because of the spin the left is making on it...of course the Republican's are trying to win the election, and from what i have seen of this ad, I don't think there is any reference or slam on the dems. It is all based on the what the terrorists are saying...
Now I can understand why the left is offended, because the implication is we (GOP) is better equiped to protect you than are opponets. That is the rub for democrats. I say the left supports that theory by how they handle the issue. And what ad is not meant to make your opponet appear a lessor choice anyway?
Question is, from what I can see of the reaction here and in the media the left deals with this 'rub' by saying the real terrorists are the Republican's and that we should all forget about real terrorism ....that is the rub for the rest of us because it is not based on common sense, which most American's live by.
I agree that Iraq is this Administrations fault, and they will fall or stand in 2008 by this issues, maybe even 2006. But the House has little to do with foreign policy and only a third of the Senate is up for reelection in 2006. But in reality the dems want to make this election about the war, and the GOP has responded.
You can't blame GOP for this ad, you know that you want this election about the war so quite being hypocrites. Totally illogical but I expect nothing less.
As for the last 5 years, a do-over would be nice, but only if we didn't have the Democratic and Republican parties and the media with the same messed up mindset. Somewhere along the way it all became about who's wrong rather than what's right.
Honestly, is the threat of an attack the most important thing to you, What about other issues in america, poverty, health care? Or is the country so perfect other than the "suposed" threat of terrorism.
See this ad for what it is, proaganda, aimed at the simple thinking people of america
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Honestly, is the threat of an attack the most important thing to you, What about other issues in america, poverty, health care? Or is the country so perfect other than the "suposed" threat of terrorism.
See this ad for what it is, proaganda, aimed at the simple thinking people of america
being from england, how do you have an idea what america's issues are? you don't
being from england, how do you have an idea what america's issues are? you don't
After watching the American news, I would wager to say that people from England probably know more about America's issues than most Americans. Do you even know why a lot of people want to harm America right now?
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
After watching the American news, I would wager to say that people from England probably know more about America's issues than most Americans.
last i checked, americans have access to american news channels. alot more then other countries do. so im not too sure where u are going with this comment.
last i checked, americans have access to american news channels. alot more then other countries do. so im not too sure where u are going with this comment.
Everybody has access to American news channels. What I am saying is that American news channels tend to report sensationalism rather than the news. You will have endless coverage of Jon Benet while wars are breaking out elsewhere in the middle east. Try watching the BBC or CBC, if you can. You will be outraged at the lack of information that you are receiving through the American media outlets, or at least you should be.
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
Everybody has access to American news channels. What I am saying is that American news channels tend to report sensationalism rather than the news. You will have endless coverage of Jon Benet while wars are breaking out elsewhere in the middle east. Try watching the BBC or CBC, if you can. You will be outraged at the lack of information that you are receiving through the American media outlets, or at least you should be.
not to mention the manipulation of fact to push their agenda.. We are fed propoganda disguised as news. The fact that our government fails to address this problem is a tragedy.
That, and people act as if terrorism is some sort of made-up concept. Really? Did some buses not get blown up in London not that long ago?
It's not a made up concept it just happens, as i was growing up there were attacks from the IRA, and constant bomb scares. But we get on with our lives and don't let fear run them. And your nearly right, 1 bus and three underground trains were blown up.
But whats your point should i now only vote for the party that say's they will deal with the terrorists or should i vote for the party that has a wider intrest in the country? I know which one is more important to me.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
being from england, how do you have an idea what america's issues are? you don't
Because your news is reported here.
Do you know about anything that happens outside of your country?
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
last i checked, americans have access to american news channels. alot more then other countries do. so im not too sure where u are going with this comment.
We've access to Fox and CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS, and the Voice of America, for what they're worth. We also have access to many other news networks.
No news station can hold a candle to the BBC World Service, in terms of analysis and coverage. If you're bored with your usual radio stations, try this:
Wind No Sail - This is ridiculous b/c it's the GOP who's running the add. They have done nothing but isolate us and make us more hated around the world. With the actions in Iraq they just give the terrorists that much more recruiting weight. If anyone is not taking terrorists seriously it is THE GOP; their actions have done nothing but made terrorisim worse than it was. Yet they thrown out these adds trying to make it sound like they're the reason we're alive. If you want to justify their add by saying we havent been attacked since 9.11 dont bother; even they admit that we will be attacked again.
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no, what's sad is that the GOP is probably right about that.
how did I put him down? I suggested he needed anger management in a respectful way. even the administrator of this board agreed to some extent. the admin locked his thread. did you even see how angry his posts are?
hell its scary thing to watch.
not to mention scary.
wow
now i thought we here in america celebrated the idea of raping and torturing terrorists.
we're all wounded by propaganda just like this - wheter we're scared or not - and whether we know it or not
I don't speak for anyone but me. I believe today, as I did a year ago that 665k is a low estimate.
I believe during the bombing campaign before the invasion - we took out two divisions of their military.. there likey more than a quarter million people killed. All that before the ground invasion and the years of war that followed.
That and a shitload of cheating.
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So the Republicans are helping recruit for al-Qaeda. Here in the US.
Isn't that special?
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
Dude, this kind of thinking is just ... pathological. The current state of affairs in the world is more than crazy and catastrophic enough. Its about time for a change of government in the U.S. (an opinion many on here would agree with) ... Why not work towards that? You and robbie with your comments about nuking and catastrophes. You guys have actually bought into what people like Bush and Al Qaida want, hook, line, sinker. Scared, to the point where you think things need to get worse?
People here, in general, don't see things as going badly...at least not enough to take a stand against it. They only see that their own lives are surrounded by comfort and convenience. They fail to realize that these problems are growing bigger and bigger and will eventually effect them, as well. It seems that the only way to get people to wake up and start caring is for some of this shit to start directly effecting them too. That's the only thing that might shake the apathy off.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
whoa.....when did i say i wanted things to get worse? where i was at fault was in my original post..... very angry, and irrational. but i had just seen the ad, and i do not enjoy being blackmailed with the option, vote republican or suffer a worse terrorist attck than 9/11. i do not take being bullied lightly. i would spit in the face of terrorists like bin laden and i would spit in the face of the animals that made this video. terrorism is terrorism. of course i over reacted. in a moment of anger i said the terrorists who made this ad should be tortured and raped. WAY out of line. but that was somethin i said in a moment of anger , then not even a half hour later made a much more reasoned post without any threatening language. this is how i differ from the GOP. the GOP actually applauds the fact that we rape and torture, we have raped, we have tortured, and we have passed legislation pardoning those actions retroactivly. this country is deeply devided. there are those who fight for freedom and those who fight for safety. both seem to feel equally as strong about their convictions. i believe we can have both, but given the choice, i choose to be free even if it makes me less safe, others choose to be safe, even if it makes them less free. what is more important to you freedom or safety? really, i am curious to see peoples answer to this, what do you hold more dear. i was wrong to write the original post speaking of harming others, that is not what i want, moreover, it is against my personal beliefs. i believe STRONGLY in more speach over limited speech. the GOP has every right to use these terrorist tactics, they are not causing bodily harm, it is only speech, but it should be met with repulsion, it should be met with anger, disbelief, and more speech, speech saying I AM NOT AFRAID! you will not terrorise me into keeping your corruption in power. what angers me is the stupidity and fear of the american public, there was a post in this thread saying i was angry because i knew this tactic would work. whoever said that... you are correct. the american public are cowards. proof of this is our disregard of our ideals in order to feel less afraid. i apologise for a momentary lapse of reason, i dont know what else to say except im sorry. that is not how i feel, it is how i felt after being treated the way i was by the government in this ad.
pathological? there are still a significant percentage of Americans that support Bush and the war. a simple balanced out election will be just more of the same more of the same is not what is needed
Open, that is ridiculous. You think that we shouldn't believe what is in the ad? Those are not real video clips? You can't defend your statement that someone is ignorant for believing the ad is factual. Maybe you mean that the ad will cause someone to believe that the Republican's will better serve us and that those clips are being misused, but to say the they are stupid for believing the clips are true is not defendable. But please read on...
I am not in the least offended by the ad, but I am because of the spin the left is making on it...of course the Republican's are trying to win the election, and from what i have seen of this ad, I don't think there is any reference or slam on the dems. It is all based on the what the terrorists are saying...
Now I can understand why the left is offended, because the implication is we (GOP) is better equiped to protect you than are opponets. That is the rub for democrats. I say the left supports that theory by how they handle the issue. And what ad is not meant to make your opponet appear a lessor choice anyway?
Question is, from what I can see of the reaction here and in the media the left deals with this 'rub' by saying the real terrorists are the Republican's and that we should all forget about real terrorism ....that is the rub for the rest of us because it is not based on common sense, which most American's live by.
I agree that Iraq is this Administrations fault, and they will fall or stand in 2008 by this issues, maybe even 2006. But the House has little to do with foreign policy and only a third of the Senate is up for reelection in 2006. But in reality the dems want to make this election about the war, and the GOP has responded.
You can't blame GOP for this ad, you know that you want this election about the war so quite being hypocrites. Totally illogical but I expect nothing less.
As for the last 5 years, a do-over would be nice, but only if we didn't have the Democratic and Republican parties and the media with the same messed up mindset. Somewhere along the way it all became about who's wrong rather than what's right.
Honestly, is the threat of an attack the most important thing to you, What about other issues in america, poverty, health care? Or is the country so perfect other than the "suposed" threat of terrorism.
See this ad for what it is, proaganda, aimed at the simple thinking people of america
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
being from england, how do you have an idea what america's issues are? you don't
That, and people act as if terrorism is some sort of made-up concept. Really? Did some buses not get blown up in London not that long ago?
After watching the American news, I would wager to say that people from England probably know more about America's issues than most Americans. Do you even know why a lot of people want to harm America right now?
last i checked, americans have access to american news channels. alot more then other countries do. so im not too sure where u are going with this comment.
Everybody has access to American news channels. What I am saying is that American news channels tend to report sensationalism rather than the news. You will have endless coverage of Jon Benet while wars are breaking out elsewhere in the middle east. Try watching the BBC or CBC, if you can. You will be outraged at the lack of information that you are receiving through the American media outlets, or at least you should be.
not to mention the manipulation of fact to push their agenda.. We are fed propoganda disguised as news. The fact that our government fails to address this problem is a tragedy.
It's not a made up concept it just happens, as i was growing up there were attacks from the IRA, and constant bomb scares. But we get on with our lives and don't let fear run them. And your nearly right, 1 bus and three underground trains were blown up.
But whats your point should i now only vote for the party that say's they will deal with the terrorists or should i vote for the party that has a wider intrest in the country? I know which one is more important to me.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Because your news is reported here.
Do you know about anything that happens outside of your country?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
We've access to Fox and CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS, and the Voice of America, for what they're worth. We also have access to many other news networks.
No news station can hold a candle to the BBC World Service, in terms of analysis and coverage. If you're bored with your usual radio stations, try this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/live_news?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=en-ws&nbram=1&nbwm=1
That's a streaming link.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
we were attacked on Clinton's watch also. dont play that game