New Gop Ad

robbierobbie Posts: 883
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
ok, i posted in anger a few minutes ago. I have been warned and rightfully so. my comments were angry, and while i feel justified in my anger, my post could have been MUCH more tactful. the point im getting at is that the point of terrorism is to achieve an objective through terrorising people... to make people so afraid that they will do what you want them to do in hopes that it will save their lives. this is EXACTLY what the new Ad by the GOP is intended to do. terrorism is NOT simply blowing things up, it is done for a purpose, it is done to instill so much fear in people that they will give in to whatever it is you want them to do. it is a tactic. this ad is UNFORGIVABLE!!!!!! i simply ask you to look at it, it will be all over you television screen starting Sunday, and in my opinion it is the LOWEST low i have EVER seen. is making and approving this ad, it is my opinion that the GOP who is responsible for it is no better than any other terrorist that uses these means to achieve their objectives. i have lost ALOT of faith in the American public over the past 6 years, i have wondered how we can call ourselves THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE if we are so afraid that we give up our freedoms. it is my opinion that if this ad is successful in terrorising the American public enough into voting for the GOP, than America is a nation ruled and governed by TERRORIST and terror. please watch this ad and comment on how it makes you feel. it makes ME feel like screaming, crying and giving up on everything i am supposed to be proud of in this nation. I do not mean to insinuate that those who VOTE GOP are terrorist, i do however hold to my opinion that in releasing and producing this ad intended to scare the American public under threat of terrorist attack if they do not vote for the GOP is an act of TERRORISM thus making the gop a terrorist party. again watch the ad... if im the only one angered, maybe im the crazy one... but I find in inexcusable, and unforgivable.
http://www.gop.com/
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  • No offense, but if you're terrorized by an ad, that's your problem.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    What about free speech? ;)

    Haven;t seen the ad...but generally I love the ads around election time, each one makes me laugh for a different reason. They'rerererererere GRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Unfortunately, the GOP only has to reachout halfway. There are more than enough people who live in fear. And just for the record, I liked your original post on it better But I understand why that couldn't stay.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Thats just an add to keep the angry angry. There are a group the needs to be reminded that the policies that have been such a failure are still supported and that its ok for them to still support them.
  • Can someone tell me something specifically wrong with this ad?
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    everything is a PR campaign ... whatever it takes to get people to vote for them is apparently ok ...

    its a sad state for sure ...
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    No offense, but if you're terrorized by an ad, that's your problem.


    I am not terrorised by the AD, but the AD is intended to terrorise the american public. the GOP has been openly preying on the fears of the american public for over 5 years now..... we have given away our civil liberties, expanded executive powers, done away with the Geniva convention, thrown away Habius Corpus, all in the name of safety (fear), this ad WILL have its intended effect on what they call "Security moms" (afraid moms) and anyone else who has been so willing to give up whatever this country is supposed to stand for in order to feel safer. please do not argue that the GOP has not relied and played on the fear of the american public to achieve its objectives, to do so would be to admit you have not been paying attention to ANYTHING that has happened over the past 5 years and admitting you have not watched the ad i provided a link to. are you not insulted and angered that your government is resulting to terrorising the American public in order to get their way? isnt this country supposed to be better than that? arent we supposed to be THE HOME OF THE BRAVE? what do we have left to be proud of besidedes our military might? this is sick....
  • TaftTaft Posts: 454
    Drilling for fear....


    The GOP is a disgrace and anyone who supports them is mindless. Literally.
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    What about free speech? ;)

    Haven;t seen the ad...but generally I love the ads around election time, each one makes me laugh for a different reason. They'rerererererere GRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!


    i provided a link to the ad below by post
    http://www.gop.com/
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    robbie wrote:
    I am not terrorised by the AD, but the AD is intended to terrorise the american public. the GOP has been openly preying on the fears of the american public for over 5 years now..... we have given away our civil liberties, expanded executive powers, done away with the Geniva convention, thrown away Habius Corpus, all in the name of safety (fear), this ad WILL have its intended effect on what they call "Security moms" (afraid moms) and anyone else who has been so willing to give up whatever this country is supposed to stand for in order to feel safer. please do not argue that the GOP has not relied and played on the fear of the american public to achieve its objectives, to do so would be to admit you have not been paying attention to ANYTHING that has happened over the past 5 years and admitting you have not watched the ad i provided a link to. are you not insulted and angered that your government is resulting to terrorising the American public in order to get their way? isnt this country supposed to be better than that? arent we supposed to be THE HOME OF THE BRAVE? what do we have left to be proud of besidedes our military might? this is sick....

    And now you are prating on our fears with hwo evil the GOP is....

    People need to get over the whoel 'drilling for fear' thing since EVERYONE does it ALL the time. Yep, even Rock Stars.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    And now you are prating on our fears with hwo evil the GOP is....

    People need to get over the whoel 'drilling for fear' thing since EVERYONE does it ALL the time. Yep, even Rock Stars.

    but sometimes it is based on real things ... obviously it is up to us to see between what is real and what is manufactured ... but to simply ignore all commentary of the like is like ignoring warnings on food ...
  • robbie wrote:
    I am not terrorised by the AD, but the AD is intended to terrorise the american public.

    Of course it is. So is every global warming-related ad. So is every "we're creating more terrorists in Iraq" ad. So what? Again, if you or someone else is actually falling for this stuff, that's their fault, not the party's.
    the GOP has been openly preying on the fears of the american public for over 5 years now.....

    Ok.
    we have given away our civil liberties, expanded executive powers, done away with the Geniva convention, thrown away Habius Corpus, all in the name of safety (fear), this ad WILL have its intended effect on what they call "Security moms" (afraid moms) and anyone else who has been so willing to give up whatever this country is supposed to stand for in order to feel safer. please do not argue that the GOP has not relied and played on the fear of the american public to achieve its objectives, to do so would be to admit you have not been paying attention to ANYTHING that has happened over the past 5 years and admitting you have not watched the ad i provided a link to. are you not insulted and angered that your government is resulting to terrorising the American public in order to get their way? isnt this country supposed to be better than that? arent we supposed to be THE HOME OF THE BRAVE? what do we have left to be proud of besidedes our military might? this is sick....

    Ah....I see now. You dislike this ad because you're afraid it will work. Now it makes sense.

    Look, your points outside the context of some ad are good ones. We have done many of the things you describe above and we've done them for the reasons you described. But this ad and those like it don't create that fear. These ads are dependent on that fear. So relax a little bit. And then stop being so afraid of an ad.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    polaris wrote:
    but sometimes it is based on real things ... obviously it is up to us to see between what is real and what is manufactured ... but to simply ignore all commentary of the like is like ignoring warnings on food ...


    Only if those food warnings are only based on opinion and not scientific fact. ;)

    Quit trying to scare us you bully.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    And now you are prating on our fears with hwo evil the GOP is....

    People need to get over the whoel 'drilling for fear' thing since EVERYONE does it ALL the time. Yep, even Rock Stars.


    you are smarter than that cincy...... I am not attempting to insill fear, Im calling out the GOP for what they are.. TERRORISTS. watch the ad and tell me it is not intended to scare people into voting republican under threat of terrorist attack. what do you call someone who uses threat of terrorist attack in order to achieve their objectives?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Taft wrote:
    Drilling for fear....


    The GOP is a disgrace and anyone who supports them is mindless. Literally.


    I believe democrats support fighting terrorism too.
  • robbie wrote:
    what do you call someone who uses threat of terrorist attack in order to achieve their objectives?


    A politician.
  • What about free speech? ;)

    Haven;t seen the ad...but generally I love the ads around election time, each one makes me laugh for a different reason. They'rerererererere GRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!


    There is a difference between free speech and outright manipulation. This ad is just the gop grabing for straws because they know they are in big trouble in a couple weeks.
    Intelligence is the key and she was locked out

    Let's Just Pop a Few Yards of Bubble Wrap and Call It a Day!

    Don't Die Wondering

  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Strange that it does not directly say "Vote for the GOP"........sponsorship does imply that one should vote GOP, but is it worse than a "Vote or die......" ad?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • polaris wrote:
    but sometimes it is based on real things ... obviously it is up to us to see between what is real and what is manufactured ... but to simply ignore all commentary of the like is like ignoring warnings on food ...

    But everything in this ad is a "real thing". Nothing in it is factually incorrect, which makes it pretty unique in the realm of political ads.

    I'm not going to vote for a single GOP candidate this year, but I think this ad is great.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    robbie wrote:
    you are smarter than that cincy...... I am not attempting to insill fear, Im calling out the GOP for what they are.. TERRORISTS. watch the ad and tell me it is not intended to scare people into voting republican under threat of terrorist attack. what do you call someone who uses threat of terrorist attack in order to achieve their objectives?

    I don't need to watch it...I'm sure it is.

    And the Dems try to scare people by saying Iraq is a terrorist training ground and recruiting more terrorists...etc....etc...etc....

    They both do it, and we all do it based upon our opinions.

    I think you are being too loose with the word 'Terrorist' here though.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    TacoJammer wrote:
    This ad is just the gop grabing for straws because they know they are in big trouble in a couple weeks.

    Of course it is.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I believe democrats support fighting terrorism too.


    the democrats are not threatening you with terrorist attacks if you do not vote for them.. the GOP is... vote for us or you will suffer a much larger attack than 9/11... that is what this ad is saying... how can you poosibly defend this.. what if osama came on tv and said.... convert to islam by november 7th or suffer a greater attack than 9/11... would that be terrorism? it is NO different than this, and the GOP is NO different that him. thaT IS A fact!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I'm not sure I see the problem. do you believe that osama bin laden doesnt want to attack america again?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    robbie wrote:
    the democrats are not threatening you with terrorist attacks if you do not vote for them.. the GOP is... vote for us or you will suffer a much larger attack than 9/11... that is what this ad is saying... how can you poosibly defend this.. what if osama came on tv and said.... convert to islam by november 7th or suffer a greater attack than 9/11... would that be terrorism? it is NO different than this, and the GOP is NO different that him. thaT IS A fact!


    have you ever been to an anger management meeting? I mean that in that most respectful way possible.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    You got to pull out all the stops when you admit that you are going to lose anywhere from 7-30 House spots...

    What a horrible ad
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    TacoJammer wrote:
    There is a difference between free speech and outright manipulation. This ad is just the gop grabing for straws because they know they are in big trouble in a couple weeks.
    In some places, they may be in trouble....but in others GOP candidates will still win many elections...........why?? Because here in the hinterlands (outside of enlightened regions like Washington state), the Democratic Party is as corrupt as the GOP....and runs bigger turds than the GOP. Why??? Because the National Democratic Party was happy enough with the money and votes coming from the South that it never pressured many state Democratic parties to straighten up and fly right after the 1960s.....George Wallace was in power until the 1980s.........the state Democratic party did not like the candidate who won the primary after George's final term, so they threw out the primary and gave the slot to the "Party Man." At that time, winning the Democratic primary for governor meant that you won come general election time.........that little move cost them the governor's seat for the first time since the 1870s.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    I don't need to watch it...I'm sure it is.

    And the Dems try to scare people by saying Iraq is a terrorist training ground and recruiting more terrorists...etc....etc...etc....

    They both do it, and we all do it based upon our opinions.

    I think you are being too loose with the word 'Terrorist' here though.

    I dispute that.. I don't believe the GOP's opinion has anything to do with it. this add is the result of the only poll that they are doing well in.. the American public think they are tough on terrorism - so they want the public to consider terrorism as the most important issue.

    The GOP, knows as well as the rest of us that the war on terror is a failure except that it fill the box that says we're trying... and the voters are playing right into it by going to the polls at all.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Franky I hope they maintain control of the house - If some35% of the people still support the direction we are headed, we need to go a little further...

    If the democrats take control - change a few things and and hold on for a while until they get boring and the GOP takes it back.. then we continue to go nowhere

    we need significant change - and not enough people know it yet. I say we all go out and vote republican.
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Franky I hope they maintain control of the house - If some35% of the people still support the direction we are headed, we need to go a little further...

    If the democrats take control - change a few things and and hold on for a while until they get boring and the GOP takes it back.. then we continue to go nowhere

    we need significant change - and not enough people know it yet. I say we all go out and vote republican.

    Im on it.
    Why go home

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  • Abuskedti wrote:
    Franky I hope they maintain control of the house - If some35% of the people still support the direction we are headed, we need to go a little further...

    If the democrats take control - change a few things and and hold on for a while until they get boring and the GOP takes it back.. then we continue to go nowhere

    we need significant change - and not enough people know it yet. I say we all go out and vote republican.

    Significant change comes in stages. It can't all happen at once. Why let the republicans do 2 more years worth of damage to this country before we get some change? Got to stop the bleeding now.
    Intelligence is the key and she was locked out

    Let's Just Pop a Few Yards of Bubble Wrap and Call It a Day!

    Don't Die Wondering

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