How about letting your mom make all of your choices for you?
I don't fully understand why you made this comment unless you have some knowledge (that I don't have) that cerealkiller1127 is a kid and her (?) mom is anti-choice.
But you do realize, don't you, that parents often coerce their children into having abortions, rather than "protecting" them from abortions?
I don't fully understand why you made this comment unless you have some knowledge (that I don't have) that cerealkiller1127 is a kid and her (?) mom is anti-choice.
But you do realize, don't you, that parents often coerce their children into having abortions, rather than "protecting" them from abortions?
Nope, what I meant was this...
They said they'd rather die than live without choice...
In every abortion, the child doesn't get a choice....the mom (or sometimes others) do. It is the ultimate lack of choice.
Yes, still against it as I believe it to be killing a baby, so that would never be best in my opinion.
Even if it were killing a baby (and I'm not saying it is or isn't), no one on this thread has yet been able to explain to me what's inherently wrong with that. Why is it always - 100% of the time - wrong to kill a baby, even if it's what's best for the baby? (And yes, I know the baby is innocent, but that doesn't answer the question.)
(And, just out of curiosity, why have you decided to be invisible?)
Even if it were killing a baby (and I'm not saying it is or isn't), no one on this thread has yet been able to explain to me what's inherently wrong with that. Why is it always - 100% of the time - wrong to kill a baby, even if it's what's best for the baby? (And yes, I know the baby is innocent, but that doesn't answer the question.)
(And, just out of curiosity, why have you decided to be invisible?)
You have to be kidding me....right?
Please tell me you are...that is about the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen regarding abortion.
Its a felony in this country to destroy an eagles egg, but somehow the unborn are killed by the millions. I will never understand our worlds disregard for human life, and not just in the sense of abortion.
Please tell me you are...that is about the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen regarding abortion.
No, I'm not kidding. And it was a question - not an argument - which of course you didn't even try to answer. It is completely reasonable for you to be expected to back up all your assumptions, even the ones that seem universal. If you can't back them up, how can anyone even begin to take your arguments seriously?
Now, I ask you again: Why is it wrong 100% of the time to end the life of a baby, even if doing so would be in its best interest?
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Exploit the poor?? Maybe some churches but certainly not Catholic churches and many other Christian churches.
They do TONS of work to feed, clothe, and protect the poor and homeless. Not just in this country but all over the world.
And I'm not even religious..
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No, I'm not kidding. And it was a question - not an argument - which of course you didn't even try to answer. It is completely reasonable for you to be expected to back up all your assumptions, even the ones that seem universal. If you can't back them up, how can anyone even begin to take your arguments seriously?
Now, I ask you again: Why is it wrong 100% of the time to end the life of a baby, even if doing so would be in its best interest?
Killing someone to avoid the possibility of future abuse is just ridiculously stupid. Sorry. Not saying you are, but that statement is.
How about a drug adict living on the streets...should we shoot them? What if they don't want to be shot?
Have you ever considered the possibility that abortion might sometimes be what's best for the baby?
What are some scenarios? I can see where abortion would be the best for the mother, but I'm having trouble seeing it as best for the baby.
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does this thread even belong on "The Porch" anymore? it's dissolved into one of the ultimate arguments known.
i don't want to see what's new in the world of pearl jam and constantly see this thread and its very typical arguments of either side on the first page daily anymore.
i realize i don't have to click it, but if that were true, why would separate forums be needed at all?
Killing someone to avoid the possibility of future abuse is just ridiculously stupid.
That's exactly what Eddie believes. I can see his point but it's just too ambiguous to assume that killing a baby would be in its best interest, under ANY circumstances.
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-Reagan
Killing someone to avoid the possibility of future abuse is just ridiculously stupid. Sorry. Not saying you are, but that statement is.
a) I didn't say anything about killing someone to avoid the possibility of future abuse. I think you're thinking of a conversation you're having with someone else.
b) You still haven't tried to answer my question. I'm starting to think you really don't have an answer. I am asking you to defend your statement, not making a statement of my own. So how come you just keep trying to insult my statement when I haven't even made one? Can you answer my question or not?
c) Even in trying to dispute my non-statement, you haven't even backed up your dispute - just been insulting. Don't be offended, but I have to ask: What is your age?
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c) Most importantly: You make that analogy as if to say that unborn babies want to be born. How do you know this?
Okay, I barely even have an opinion on abortion, I hate talking about it. I didn't want to get involved in this thread...
But seriously? The fact is that you can't undo killing someone. Okay, sure, I see where you're coming from, that maybe unborn babies don't want to be born. But maybe they do? It's a double standard.
And I don't mean to sound morbid here, I think suicide is the worst thing ever, but if they don't want to live, can't they take their own lives? We shouldn't decide for them.
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How about letting your mom make all of your choices for you?
Clever. :rolleyes:
Have you ever considered the possibility that abortion might sometimes be what's best for the baby?
good, because I truly never want to do that to anyone.
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I don't fully understand why you made this comment unless you have some knowledge (that I don't have) that cerealkiller1127 is a kid and her (?) mom is anti-choice.
But you do realize, don't you, that parents often coerce their children into having abortions, rather than "protecting" them from abortions?
Yes, still against it as I believe it to be killing a baby, so that would never be best in my opinion.
Nope, what I meant was this...
They said they'd rather die than live without choice...
In every abortion, the child doesn't get a choice....the mom (or sometimes others) do. It is the ultimate lack of choice.
Not saying this always happens, but the potential is far greater for an unwanted child.
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Even if it were killing a baby (and I'm not saying it is or isn't), no one on this thread has yet been able to explain to me what's inherently wrong with that. Why is it always - 100% of the time - wrong to kill a baby, even if it's what's best for the baby? (And yes, I know the baby is innocent, but that doesn't answer the question.)
(And, just out of curiosity, why have you decided to be invisible?)
Haha! Feel free to elaborate.
So, now you're saying since a kid MAY end up being abused and neglected, that is a good reason for an abortion? A pre-emptive strike?
Wouldn't putting the abuser in jail be more effective than killign the victim?
You have to be kidding me....right?
Please tell me you are...that is about the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen regarding abortion.
people who spell "generalizations" wrong cause me to vomit.
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You're right, the only way to erase the harm is to kill the victim.
Of course it doesn't erase the harm...but I still think you have some very dangerous logic...who gets to decide what's best for everyone?
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You are correct, it isn't illegal now.
My point is that it should be illegal as it is killing a child.
So there ya go. Take care.
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No, I'm not kidding. And it was a question - not an argument - which of course you didn't even try to answer. It is completely reasonable for you to be expected to back up all your assumptions, even the ones that seem universal. If you can't back them up, how can anyone even begin to take your arguments seriously?
Now, I ask you again: Why is it wrong 100% of the time to end the life of a baby, even if doing so would be in its best interest?
Exploit the poor?? Maybe some churches but certainly not Catholic churches and many other Christian churches.
They do TONS of work to feed, clothe, and protect the poor and homeless. Not just in this country but all over the world.
And I'm not even religious..
-Reagan
Killing someone to avoid the possibility of future abuse is just ridiculously stupid. Sorry. Not saying you are, but that statement is.
How about a drug adict living on the streets...should we shoot them? What if they don't want to be shot?
What are some scenarios? I can see where abortion would be the best for the mother, but I'm having trouble seeing it as best for the baby.
-Reagan
i don't want to see what's new in the world of pearl jam and constantly see this thread and its very typical arguments of either side on the first page daily anymore.
i realize i don't have to click it, but if that were true, why would separate forums be needed at all?
That's exactly what Eddie believes. I can see his point but it's just too ambiguous to assume that killing a baby would be in its best interest, under ANY circumstances.
-Reagan
a) I didn't say anything about killing someone to avoid the possibility of future abuse. I think you're thinking of a conversation you're having with someone else.
b) You still haven't tried to answer my question. I'm starting to think you really don't have an answer. I am asking you to defend your statement, not making a statement of my own. So how come you just keep trying to insult my statement when I haven't even made one? Can you answer my question or not?
c) Even in trying to dispute my non-statement, you haven't even backed up your dispute - just been insulting. Don't be offended, but I have to ask: What is your age?
a) What if they do want to be shot? Or what if they've committed a crime and someone else wants them to be shot?
b) What should we do if they're pregnant and don't want to have a baby? Should we force them to have a baby?
c) Most importantly: You make that analogy as if to say that unborn babies want to be born. How do you know this?
Okay, I barely even have an opinion on abortion, I hate talking about it. I didn't want to get involved in this thread...
But seriously? The fact is that you can't undo killing someone. Okay, sure, I see where you're coming from, that maybe unborn babies don't want to be born. But maybe they do? It's a double standard.
And I don't mean to sound morbid here, I think suicide is the worst thing ever, but if they don't want to live, can't they take their own lives? We shouldn't decide for them.