Abortion is wrong, yet I am pro choice

Abuskedti

I wonder, do you think there should be a law against Lying? Lying is wrong, and has led to unthinkable evil. It has caused pain suffering and death.

Do you want a law against Lying?

Perhaps there are other solutions to the problem of abortions? Maybe a technological solution - where we can extract the unborn from unwilling mothers... perhaps a more perfect pill... perhaps better education... perhaps a willingness to care for unwanted children

you know like the teenagers left at the hospital in Nebraska. our society loves condemning the parents of these children, but want no part of helping them.

A law against abortion is a poor excuse for a solution to what is a number of very serious problems.

Brisk.

I just dont see what is just about bringing an unwanted child into this world. When the child is terminated it biologically has life but in reality its not really a proper 'life' so its not loosing everything that have built up.

Just better technology and education can help unwanted children but to have a law against abortion is just absurd.

Byrnzie

It's an unfortunate necessity.

catefrances

i can forgive anything but a lie.

know1

It's a pretty hypocritical stance. If it's wrong, then it's wrong.

The whole "unwanted child" thing is pathetic, too. What if you decided you don't want the child after its born. Should you kill it?

Abuskedti

know1 wrote:

It's a pretty hypocritical stance. If it's wrong, then it's wrong.

The whole "unwanted child" thing is pathetic, too. What if you decided you don't want the child after its born. Should you kill it?

I don't support abortion of any kind.. which I mentioned. My point is that making a law against it does nothing to address the many problems that lead to abortion. Abortions will continue, and other problems will grow.

catefrances

know1 wrote:

It's a pretty hypocritical stance. If it's wrong, then it's wrong.

The whole "unwanted child" thing is pathetic, too. What if you decided you don't want the child after its born. Should you kill it?

if you decide that you dont want the child after its born then you put it up for adoption. a simple concept but not so simple for some in execution.


but i disagree. you can think abortion is wrong because you think its murder. but also there are woman who know it is something they could never go through with. however that doesnt mean that they think that other people dont have that right to choose.
honestly you do not know how you will react. you might think you do, but all the hypotheticals in the world wont help until you are in that position. .

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Abuskedti wrote:

I wonder, do you think there should be a law against Lying? Lying is wrong, and has led to unthinkable evil. It has caused pain suffering and death.

Do you want a law against Lying?

We already have this...look up "purgery"

saveuplife

Abuskedti wrote:

I don't support abortion of any kind.. which I mentioned. My point is that making a law against it does nothing to address the many problems that lead to abortion. Abortions will continue, and other problems will grow.

Does making a law against murder do nothing to address the many problems that lead to murder?

By your logic, yes.

cincybearcat

Abuskedti wrote:

I don't support abortion of any kind.. which I mentioned. My point is that making a law against it does nothing to address the many problems that lead to abortion. Abortions will continue, and other problems will grow.

Who dies again when you lie????????















Waiting for the W comments now.

decides2dream

i think your premise is flawed from the beginning, personally. you start off with a definitive statement "abortion is wrong"....you add another definitive statement "lying is wrong"...and yet both statements are NOT FACT, but subjective opinions. i do not think abortions, nor lying, are 'wrong' per se. can they be? absolutely.....but not always.....



what is considered 'wrong' is a societal construct, that varies within each society, and even within said societies, vary greatly. in a society such as ours, based vry much on personal freedoms...i think it Is a lot more open to interpretation, as it should be...

Strangest Tribe

I don't remember my days of being a symbiote but I would have gladly given my life to save my co-host should SHE have been in harm's way. I wasn't ever a selfish parasite.

decides2dream

Strangest Tribe wrote:

I don't remember my days of being a symbiote but I would have gladly given my life to save my co-host should SHE have been in harm's way. I wasn't ever a selfish parasite.

pre-consciousness, pre-central nervous system......one would never even *know* they have ever existed! no thought, no pain!

Byrnzie

know1 wrote:

It's a pretty hypocritical stance. If it's wrong, then it's wrong.

The whole "unwanted child" thing is pathetic, too. What if you decided you don't want the child after its born. Should you kill it?

Who decides what's right or wrong?
Talking about what someone may or not do 'after' a child is born is a completely different topic.
And I understand that your opinion on this issue isn't your own. It's the Church's opinion, and quite frankly, the Church is nothing but a failed and outdated racket.

Abuskedti

decides2dream wrote:

i think your premise is flawed from the beginning, personally. you start off with a definitive statement "abortion is wrong"....you add another definitive statement "lying is wrong"...and yet both statements are NOT FACT, but subjective opinions. i do not think abortions, nor lying, are 'wrong' per se. can they be? absolutely.....but not always.....



what is considered 'wrong' is a societal construct, that varies within each society, and even within said societies, vary greatly. in a society such as ours, based vry much on personal freedoms...i think it Is a lot more open to interpretation, as it should be...

I would agree with you. I was sort of arguing even with these premises because they are those held by the so called pro-life side. I am throwing these things out because my girlfriend's daughter-in-law is passionately pro-life and I will meet her soon, and we will have a conversation. I want to be as understanding as possible.. though I understand she considers pro-choce to be pro-abortion and pro-baby-killing

Heineken Helen

know1 wrote:

It's a pretty hypocritical stance. If it's wrong, then it's wrong.

The whole "unwanted child" thing is pathetic, too. What if you decided you don't want the child after its born. Should you kill it?

Once the child is born... it doesn't necessarily need the mother to survive.. yes it needs SOMEBODY to help it so focus on helping unwanted kids! But once it's in the womb it's relying ENTIRELY on the woman... if she feels like she's not up to the task, for WHATEVER reason, than that's entirely different to killing a child.

If YOU want abortion to be illegal... it's up to you to ensure that unwanted kids are taken care of. You can deny this but once you get involved in the argument and take away one of the choices well you make it your moral responsibility to ensure the other options are easier.

Heineken Helen

Abuskedti wrote:

I would agree with you. I was sort of arguing even with these premises because they are those held by the so called pro-life side. I am throwing these things out because my girlfriend's daughter-in-law is passionately pro-life and I will meet her soon, and we will have a conversation. I want to be as understanding as possible.. though I understand she considers pro-choce to be pro-abortion and pro-baby-killing

oh dear normally if I don't agree with somebody on something, we find a way to at least discuss it civilly, if not we get drunk and talk about completely other stuff and agree to disagree. But somebody who has a stance like that well I dunno... although there are some pro life people HERE who think like that but I could definitely imagine sitting down for a drink with them and having a good time. I'm not quite sure how we'd deal with this issue though... ignore it or discuss it as adults.

eyedclaar

People always say that nobody is pro-abortion. Not true. I am. Abortions for everyone! Anything that amounts to less humans is A-OK by me...

know1

Byrnzie wrote:

Who decides what's right or wrong?
Talking about what someone may or not do 'after' a child is born is a completely different topic.
And I understand that your opinion on this issue isn't your own. It's the Church's opinion, and quite frankly, the Church is nothing but a failed and outdated racket.

The individual.

My comment was directly to those who say - "I believe abortion is wrong, but I believe it should be legal".

bootlegger10

decides2dream wrote:

i think your premise is flawed from the beginning, personally. you start off with a definitive statement "abortion is wrong"....you add another definitive statement "lying is wrong"...and yet both statements are NOT FACT, but subjective opinions. i do not think abortions, nor lying, are 'wrong' per se. can they be? absolutely.....but not always.....



what is considered 'wrong' is a societal construct, that varies within each society, and even within said societies, vary greatly. in a society such as ours, based vry much on personal freedoms...i think it Is a lot more open to interpretation, as it should be...

This moral relativism is a very dangerous viewpoint. To think that murder is okay if the right people are around to agree with it is absurd. Deceit should always be wrong. If you are talking about little white lies, then I understand your point. But abortion and murder should not be judged right or wrong based on society, but should be judged right or wrong for eternity, and people can choose to observe right behavior or wrong behavior. Just because I say something is okay, and you say it is not, does not make my view right for me and your view right for you.

If I walk down the street on my way to the grocery store and you shoot me in the head for no reason other than you want to, there should be no way that this a correct moral or ethical act. Just because a society believes it is, does not make it so. A society can be wrong.

know1

Heineken Helen wrote:

Once the child is born... it doesn't necessarily need the mother to survive.. yes it needs SOMEBODY to help it so focus on helping unwanted kids! But once it's in the womb it's relying ENTIRELY on the woman... if she feels like she's not up to the task, for WHATEVER reason, than that's entirely different to killing a child.

If YOU want abortion to be illegal... it's up to you to ensure that unwanted kids are taken care of. You can deny this but once you get involved in the argument and take away one of the choices well you make it your moral responsibility to ensure the other options are easier.

If I don't get to have the sex, then it's completely NOT up to me to take care of unwanted kids. It is their CHOICE to have the kid and they should deal with it.