Abortion is wrong, yet I am pro choice
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I wonder, do you think there should be a law against Lying? Lying is wrong, and has led to unthinkable evil. It has caused pain suffering and death.
Do you want a law against Lying?
Perhaps there are other solutions to the problem of abortions? Maybe a technological solution - where we can extract the unborn from unwilling mothers... perhaps a more perfect pill... perhaps better education... perhaps a willingness to care for unwanted children
you know like the teenagers left at the hospital in Nebraska. our society loves condemning the parents of these children, but want no part of helping them.
A law against abortion is a poor excuse for a solution to what is a number of very serious problems.
Do you want a law against Lying?
Perhaps there are other solutions to the problem of abortions? Maybe a technological solution - where we can extract the unborn from unwilling mothers... perhaps a more perfect pill... perhaps better education... perhaps a willingness to care for unwanted children
you know like the teenagers left at the hospital in Nebraska. our society loves condemning the parents of these children, but want no part of helping them.
A law against abortion is a poor excuse for a solution to what is a number of very serious problems.
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Just better technology and education can help unwanted children but to have a law against abortion is just absurd.
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The whole "unwanted child" thing is pathetic, too. What if you decided you don't want the child after its born. Should you kill it?
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I don't support abortion of any kind.. which I mentioned. My point is that making a law against it does nothing to address the many problems that lead to abortion. Abortions will continue, and other problems will grow.
if you decide that you dont want the child after its born then you put it up for adoption. a simple concept but not so simple for some in execution.
but i disagree. you can think abortion is wrong because you think its murder. but also there are woman who know it is something they could never go through with. however that doesnt mean that they think that other people dont have that right to choose.
honestly you do not know how you will react. you might think you do, but all the hypotheticals in the world wont help until you are in that position. .
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Does making a law against murder do nothing to address the many problems that lead to murder?
By your logic, yes.
Who dies again when you lie????????
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what is considered 'wrong' is a societal construct, that varies within each society, and even within said societies, vary greatly. in a society such as ours, based vry much on personal freedoms...i think it Is a lot more open to interpretation, as it should be...
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Who decides what's right or wrong?
Talking about what someone may or not do 'after' a child is born is a completely different topic.
And I understand that your opinion on this issue isn't your own. It's the Church's opinion, and quite frankly, the Church is nothing but a failed and outdated racket.
I would agree with you. I was sort of arguing even with these premises because they are those held by the so called pro-life side. I am throwing these things out because my girlfriend's daughter-in-law is passionately pro-life and I will meet her soon, and we will have a conversation. I want to be as understanding as possible.. though I understand she considers pro-choce to be pro-abortion and pro-baby-killing
If YOU want abortion to be illegal... it's up to you to ensure that unwanted kids are taken care of. You can deny this but once you get involved in the argument and take away one of the choices well you make it your moral responsibility to ensure the other options are easier.
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The individual.
My comment was directly to those who say - "I believe abortion is wrong, but I believe it should be legal".
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This moral relativism is a very dangerous viewpoint. To think that murder is okay if the right people are around to agree with it is absurd. Deceit should always be wrong. If you are talking about little white lies, then I understand your point. But abortion and murder should not be judged right or wrong based on society, but should be judged right or wrong for eternity, and people can choose to observe right behavior or wrong behavior. Just because I say something is okay, and you say it is not, does not make my view right for me and your view right for you.
If I walk down the street on my way to the grocery store and you shoot me in the head for no reason other than you want to, there should be no way that this a correct moral or ethical act. Just because a society believes it is, does not make it so. A society can be wrong.
If I don't get to have the sex, then it's completely NOT up to me to take care of unwanted kids. It is their CHOICE to have the kid and they should deal with it.
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i stand by my statement.
morals ARE relative, to the person and to the society, culture, country, the times they live in, etc. i believe abortion is fine, and i also believe lying is not always wrong. you may disagree......but it doesn';t change my opinion....and right now, 'society' agrees with me, the law. i cannot be jailed necessarily for lying - depends on the lie of course - nor will i be jailed for legal abortion. obviously, there are parameters for both.
i think we both come up with these statements every times this debate comes up. you make the statement above, to which i say......abortion IS 'dealing with it.' perhaps not in a way you personally approve of, but it is still a method of dealing with it.
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Basically, your parameters are ridiculously confusing.... that's the problem.
It's OK to lie under these situations.
It's OK to have an abortion under these situations.
It's OK to murder under these situations.
All of the above: The grey area is vast and engulfing. With certain moral criterion you actually need to step out of the vast grey hole of "it depends" and enter into some form of black and white... or else you'll have people murdering people with absolutely no repercussions.
how do you know?
you have NO idea what 'my parameters' are, at all...i haven't stated them.
all i DID state is the LAW does *agree*....in that abortion IS legal within certain circumstances, that lying in and of itself is not illegal either. the grey area IS vast...and it should be. for every time someone has an idea of a subject being entirely 'black and white'.......there always seems to be exceptions. this is mostly due to the fact that life is not black and white, but many shades of grey. 'morals' are our own ways of dealing with the greys, putting order and standards. life is what it is....and morals and standards have changed vastly and will continue to morph with the times. that IS living.
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Your use of the word necessary is subjective IMHO.
Can you say lying is wrong? How about murder? How about the holocaust?
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what does it have to do with the topic?
i think it's all well and good for people to believe abortion is wrong, tis certainly their right and perogative. i take zero issue with it. i actually applaud people like the OP in stating that for him abortion is wrong, but he is still pro-choice. i agree with that line of thinking. i don't agree when others try to push their own personal morality on others though. and sure, i disagreed with the statement that 'abortion is wrong' b/c it may be in his mind, but it doesn't make it so. i personally do not see it as 'wrong' at all. i do not seeing lying as necessarily always being 'wrong'. i personally think murder is wrong, but then someone may argue with me that abortion is murder,and i don't think it is - and other circumstances as well....so it all goes by your definition there. i think the holocaust was wrong....but i fail to see what any of this 'proves'...but i am sure it is all meant to be loaded questions to prove some point of yours.
i really wish outofbreath/dan would post this survey/quiz he once did.....it just about encompasses all the ideas of 'moral relativism' and the social constrcuts, etc...it was utterly fascinating.
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