McCain seeks to delay debate to focus on economy

Thecure

brandon10 wrote:

Pathetic. Tell me exactly how Obama and McCain canceling will suddenly improve our economy. They can fly anywhere within a matter of hours. All these talking points are a complete joke. It's the blind following the stupid. Get your head out of your ass.

Obama or mcCain will be president in the new year, i think that it is important that both these people be a part of this issue. McCain and Obama can rally their party to get behind whatever plan that is issued. i hope that no-on eis dumb enought to believe that by cancelling the debate is going to turn the economy around right away but i do believe that Mccain and Obama should be there.

mammasan

Thecure wrote:

Obama or mcCain will be president in the new year, i think that it is important that both these people be a part of this issue. McCain and Obama can rally their party to get behind whatever plan that is issued. i hope that no-on eis dumb enought to believe that by cancelling the debate is going to turn the economy around right away but i do believe that Mccain and Obama should be there.

A part of this crisis is also consumer confidence in the market and our economy at this point. Look what happened yesterday after Warren Buffet injected $5 billion into Goldman Sachs. It could be said that having our two presidential candidates present their ideas and plan to the people may restore, at least, a little confidence.

Thecure

mammasan wrote:

A part of this crisis is also consumer confidence in the market and our economy at this point. Look what happened yesterday after Warren Buffet injected $5 billion into Goldman Sachs. It could be said that having our two presidential candidates present their ideas and plan to the people may restore, at least, a little confidence.

thats also true. but this debate on friday is on foreign affairs. why not change the debate to the economy.

mammasan

Thecure wrote:

thats also true. but this debate on friday is on foreign affairs. why not change the debate to the economy.

I'm all for that, but I believe it was cincy who pointed this out, the preperation for the debate has been going on for sometime. Preparing questions, research on candidates voting records, etc... It would be pretty difficult to just turn around on such short notice and prepare for a debate on the economy.

I personally feel that they should scrap the debate and allow each candidate 15-20 minutes to present their case on the economy followed by a 5-10 minutes rebuttal from the opponent and then open it up to questions from the audience.

Thecure

mammasan wrote:

I'm all for that, but I believe it was cincy who pointed this out, the preperation for the debate has been going on for sometime. Preparing questions, research on candidates voting records, etc... It would be pretty difficult to just turn around on such short notice and prepare for a debate on the economy.

I personally feel that they should scrap the debate and allow each candidate 15-20 minutes to present their case on the economy followed by a 5-10 minutes rebuttal from the opponent and then open it up to questions from the audience.

thats a great idea. i never understood why people call these things debates. what about a conversation where both McCain and Obama talking.

mammasan

Thecure wrote:

thats a great idea. i never understood why people call these things debates. what about a conversation where both McCain and Obama talking.

Exactly. I mean how much can your really tell the public about you plans and where yo stand on an issue when you only get 3 minutes to express yourself.

my2hands

mammasan wrote:

One caller, not that I agreed with his statement but found it interesting, so it as a move by the McCain campaign not to delay his debate but as a means to delay the VP debate. The McCain campaign has suggested that the debate be rescheduled for next Thursday, the day the VP debate was to be held. This would cause the VP debate to be pushed back as well and being that Palin has had some trouble with her responses during the Gibson and Couric interview it would buy more time to prepare her.

this Palin thing completely blows my mind... everyone knows she is way out of her league and that she has to be "prepared" by the Mccain/GOP handlers... i mean seriously, who doesnt know this right?

i still dont understand how any educated human being could vote for a ticket with her on it... for that matetr i cant understand how any human that has been on the planet the last 8 years could vote for the GOP at this point either

blackredyellow

Thecure wrote:

thats also true. but this debate on friday is on foreign affairs. why not change the debate to the economy.

I think that they will both be asked about the economy and this mess, but I think that if you had a debate now on the economy, we'd get 90 minutes of the same questions and answers about a plan that is still being worked on. Neither candidate seems willing to take a hard position on it, except the buzzwords of oversight, helping main street, etc., so I can't see a debate right now on the economy being worth much.

Gonzo1977

Can someone please explain to me in the most simple terms possible what John McCain can actually add to these negotiations?

Up until last week this gear box was out there babbling about how the fundementals of the economy were strong.

Where was Johnny Boy last week?

Doesn't it seem a little obvious that it wasn't until his poll numbers began to drop like the panties on a $5 whore before he decided to get on his "Maverick" horse and ride on into D.C

McCain is a snake. I hope this blows up in his fucking face.

Thecure

blackredyellow wrote:

I think that they will both be asked about the economy and this mess, but I think that if you had a debate now on the economy, we'd get 90 minutes of the same questions and answers about a plan that is still being worked on. Neither candidate seems willing to take a hard position on it, except the buzzwords of oversight, helping main street, etc., so I can't see a debate right now on the economy being worth much.

but can the same not be said about foreign affairs. i believe that both Obama and mcCain don't understand what is happenning with the economy and it is showing.

Thecure

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Can someone please explain to me in the most simple terms possible what John McCain can actually add to these negotiations?

Up until last week this gear box was out there babbling about how the fundementals of the economy were strong.

Where was Johnny Boy last week?

Doesn't it seem a little obvious that it wasn't until his poll numbers began to drop like the panties on a $5 whore before he decided to get on his "Maverick" horse and ride on into D.C

McCain is a snake. I hope this blows up in his fucking face.

mccain can advocate with his party to get things past same as Obama. one of these people are going to be president and have to deal with this issues. i don't get this, why don't people want both Mccain and Obama there. they will be running the country soon enought.

mfc2006

i agree with the points made about pushing back the VP debate. they know just as well as we do that Palin is not ready for a debate. so if we're supposed to see 4 debates in what, the next 18-19 days....Olberman made a point last night that these debates take a lot of time to plan. Scheduling, clearing time of networks, facilities, etc...

his fear was that the VP debate would be scrapped entirely. i'd say that is a legitimate concern. because when it comes down to it, they'll go w/ the pres debate over the VP debate if time/planning only allows for 3 debates.

if i were Obama, i would do everything i could to help out w/ the economic plan..then stick to my guns & call for McCain to attend the already scheduled & planned debate. his point about a president having to worry/contend with more than just one thing at a time was right on. if time is so valuable, hold it in DC. and if the economy is THE topic right now---debate about it! and save the foreign policy for the next round. this seems like common sense to me.

McCain is slipping, and so is his running mate. and they know it. sounds like stall tactics to me..re-shift the focus away from them for a bit.

Thecure

chiefojibwa wrote:

i fucking called this last night. i knew that mccain's real reason was to eliminate the veep debate...this is bullshit. it's gonna backfire.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

i just read that article and no where does it say that they would cancel teh VP debate.

blackredyellow

Thecure wrote:

mccain can advocate with his party to get things past same as Obama. one of these people are going to be president and have to deal with this issues. i don't get this, why don't people want both Mccain and Obama there. they will be running the country soon enought.

Couldn't agree more... If anything having Obama and McCain involved will overly politicize this whole thing.

I can't imagine that any of the legislators who are really involved in the negotiations wants the candidates (and the media circus that follows them) to be there.

my2hands

Dear John McCain,

I thought we were a nation of "whiners" and that the "fundamentals of the economy were strong"? Oh, thats right, you already told us you "don't know much about the economy".


what a joke

mfc2006

it's an assumption. if it came down to having to cancel ONE debate out of the four, which one would be canceled? there's a really good chance that it would be the VP debate.

mammasan

Thecure wrote:

mccain can advocate with his party to get things past same as Obama. one of these people are going to be president and have to deal with this issues. i don't get this, why don't people want both Mccain and Obama there. they will be running the country soon enought.

I don't think it's that people don't want them there. It's the fact that, unless there is going to be a vote, they don't physically need to be there. Talks can be carried out over a phone. If McCain or Obama need to light a fire under their party's ass it can be done without being in DC. Bill Bennett brought up a good point this morning when he asked if McCain thought that 98% of the Senate was incapable of handling this situation.

I don't know McCain's real reason for doing this and I'm not going to speculate but just from the comments I've heard from other people, even callers to conservative radio shows, they don't seem to understand the move either. As I've stated before I don't support either candidate so I have no reason to glorify one while vilifying the other, I dislike them both equally, but this does come off as a desperate move by McCain.

Thecure

blackredyellow wrote:

Couldn't agree more... If anything having Obama and McCain involved will overly politicize this whole thing.

I can't imagine that any of the legislators who are really involved in the negotiations wants the candidates (and the media circus that follows them) to be there.

i am guessing you mean to have said that you could not disagree more. i get your point but i still believe that having the next leader of yoru country being there is more important. thats just me.

puremagic

PEPPER wrote:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/reid-to-mccain.html

UPDATE: McCain senior adviser Mark Salter emails: "Yesterday, Harry Reid said that consensus couldn't be achieved without John McCain's leadership. John stepped up and is providing that leadership. Now Senator Reid seems to have changed his mind for reasons we'll let him explain. But what he should understand is that this isn't about Harry Reid or John McCain or Barack Obama. It's about the American people and, in the words of Warren Buffet, the financial Pearl Harbor they're facing. John's committed to doing his part to help avert that calamity. We hope Senator Reid is too."
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The latest word in, both McCain and Obama will be at the White House today working in this issue, and it will show just how impotent Harry Reid truly is as a leader.

Next time post the WHOLE story not just some supposedly e-mail response by an opposing campaign worker.

Reid to McCain: Don't Come Back to Capitol

September 24, 2008 5:14 PM

A Democrat tells ABC News that, in a phone call late this afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that it would NOT be helpful for him to come back to Washington, D.C., to work on the Wall Street bailout bill.

McCain this afternoon suspended his campaign and said he would skip the first presidential debate in order to return to Capitol Hill to work on the log-jammed Bush administration legislation, which, as of Wednesday afternoon, was in peril.

McCain had phoned Reid to ask about the prospects of him, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and others to sit down and work together on hammering out a bipartisan proposal.

"Sorry," Reid said to him, a Democrat close to Reid says.

Reid then read McCain the statement he had just put out: "This is a critical time for our country," says the Reid statement. "While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis. I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Sen. Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op. If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.”

A source close to Reid said McCain didn't have much to say after that. Reid, the source says, thinks McCain's maneuver is a gimmick born from bad poll numbers and the fact that "debate prep must not be going very well."

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Reid Disses McCain's Plan to Come to DC: 'Trying to Divert Attention From His Failing Campaign'

September 24, 2008 8:08 PM

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., just took some swipes at Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., at a press availability with Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, after the Democratic Senate Caucus met this evening with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Reid sneered at McCain's plans to cancel his campaigning -- including his participation in Friday night's debate -- to return to the Capitol to work on the Wall Street bailout bill.

"It appears to me John McCain is trying to divert attention to his failing campaign," said Reid. "He can spare an hour and a half of his time and participate in that debate."

Reid re-told the story ABC News reported earlier, that McCain called Reid to offer his help and Reid read him the statement he'd already issued, implying McCain's plans were nothing more than "a campaign photo op."

"With all due respect to my friend John McCain," said Reid -- showing not a great deal of respect for a man who is not necessarily his friend -- "we're doing just fine. This should not have presidential politics doing here."

Reid suggested that McCain wouldn't have any ideas that aren't already being bandied about, though he said McCain wouldn't be barred from participating.

"There is not a suggestion that we heard, with Bernanke and Paulson just now, that Chairman Dodd is not taking into consideration," Reid said. "Chairman Dodd is keeping no one out of meetings. Anyone has the ability to call him -- Democrat or Republican, whoever wants to talk to him."

Reid made one more reference to McCain's "failing campaign" and ended the press availability, as pledged, after four questions.

Thecure

mammasan wrote:

I don't think it's that people don't want them there. It's the fact that, unless there is going to be a vote, they don't physically need to be there. Talks can be carried out over a phone. If McCain or Obama need to light a fire under their party's ass it can be done without being in DC. Bill Bennett brought up a good point this morning when he asked if McCain thought that 98% of the Senate was incapable of handling this situation.

I don't know McCain's real reason for doing this and I'm not going to speculate but just from the comments I've heard from other people, even callers to conservative radio shows, they don't seem to understand the move either. As I've stated before I don't support either candidate so I have no reason to glorify one while vilifying the other, I dislike them both equally, but this does come off as a desperate move by McCain.

i also don't like both people, but i don't agree with Bill bennett. its not that teh senate can't handle this but i would want my next president to be there. you know, do you remember back to 911 people complained that Bush took this amount of time to leave that school. Hell even Michael Moore did it in his movie. but in reality what could Bush have done at that moment in reality. the complaint that i agree with with is that he was teh president and people had to feel that he was working on it. that is what i want Obama and McCain to do. give peopel the confidences that teh next president is going to be there when the times are rough. is that stupid maybe but i have only had a pot of coffee right now.