I'm sorry, but a debate is not "a critical issue."
It's a fucking television appearance. And it can be postponed.
And last I checked, you can't vote on a bill in Washington unless you are, you know, in Washington.
I just don't see the argument here. At all. Some television show should take precedence over the biggest crisis of our generation?
FDR in 1929 (with props to Joe Biden): "Yeah, I realize the Great Depression is looming, but I'm booked on 'Hollywood Squares.' Can it wait until I'm done with that?"
Jesus Christ. I think, by large, most of the people on this thread are pissed by McCain's position is simply because it's McCain's position.
If Obama had been the one to come up with it, you'd all be praising it as the greatest idea since two-for-one lap dances.
Blind partisanship is a bitch.
The debates are an important part of the electoral process. There's no guarantee that they will miss the vote if they go ahead with the debate. I think they can both contribute their ideas while going on with the debate. I see no reason why they cannot. I would be furious if Obama agreed to the delay. That's cheating the US electorate... not that that's anything new really, but still.
You're right, neither McCain nor Obama is president yet, so why should either of them be swooping in, clearing their schedules to focus on such a crisis as if they were? These two are pitted against each other in a desperately important election that is neck and neck. They need to focus on that as opposed to some corrupt, band-aid corporate bail-out scheme.
Why not a week ago? What was so important about his meeting with Bono today that he kept that meeting, but, NOW wants to go to Washington? Now he wants to delay the debate? Now he wants to move the VP debate a few weeks?
Why did he wait a week, THEN decide he was needed in Washington?
Give the guy a break, the reflexes slow with the advancement of age.
To me, there's nothing that can be accomplished on the campaign trail. They need to be in the Senate until this is resolved.
Other, lower-level congresspeople who are facing re-election right now have returned to Washington? Why can't McCain and Obama?
I certainly don't see how it hurts anything, or how it hinders progress?
You'd rather them be out on the road, blaming each other for the crisis? ... talk about "hindering progress."
Nothing can be accomplished on the campaign trail? You can't be serious. We're ONLY talking about the first debate between the men running for the highest office in the nation, on the most important topic of the day - the ECONOMY.
Nothing can be accomplished? That'd be funny if it wasn't so irresponsible. As jihmed14 pointed out in his post, neither of them are on the committees working on the agreement. Obama and McCain would be present to vote and to express their opinions. Have you bothered to pay attention to the gentlemen who ARE working on it? They know they're stuff and they are trying desperately, on a bipartisan basis, to put in some provisions that provide a little bit of protection for John Q Public.
As was suggested by a national news broadcast analyst, it appears that McCain is trying to run in and take credit for whatever agreement is attained. That's the real motive behind his wanting to cancel the debates..... that, and I'm guess that he doesn't feel he's ready and is try to buy time.
It is far more important for the undecideds of this country to have the opportunity to judge these two in a debate on the economy. NOW, at this crucial point.
As one congressman said to the media, "does John McCain think Congress will be working on this at 9:00 p.m. Friday night? They won't." So what does that tell you? McCain's been in Congress long enough to know how things "go". So that leaves two reasons for his DRAMA: 1. He wants to run in and steal credit for getting the agreement passed on a bipartisan basis as the political analyst pointed out or, 2. He's not ready for the debate.
I'm sorry, but anybody who falls for this charade has got to be deaf, dumb, blind, or a combination of all three.
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Now that I think about McCain has an advantage here with delaying this debate. I see no way he'll have Obama with all that air time on Friday. On Friday he announce what he has accomplished and he'll be on a plane licktysplit. A setup for a last minute entry into the debate to again knock Obama off his feet.
Nice political ploy because this bailout will pass he'll get credit and show up at the debate as that Maverick on the white horse hero.
Look for a huge boost in the those hideous polls come next week for McCain. Could be a brilliant move, stay tuned.
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slightofjeff couldn't take any more. Looks like he left the board for the time being. He and cincybearcat think we're all "elitist" because we don't fall for McPalin and their bullshit and nobody likes what they don't understand.............
As per g under p
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It's also quite obvious that McCain is chickening out. What the hell is cancelling the debate and suspending his campaign going to do to help the economy?????? It's a fucking joke! Quit treating the people like they are idiots. We can see right through this bullshit. It's a fucking ploy, just like Palin is a ploy. Anything to win. McCain is a disgrace!
Man you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
McCain AND Obama are Sanators. This Financial situation includes them 100%. Its part of their job to get involved in it. Its a smart move by McCain to sugest this. Its a extremely important situation going on here. Do you read the news?
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
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Nothing can be accomplished on the campaign trail? You can't be serious. We're ONLY talking about the first debate between the men running for the highest office in the nation, on the most important topic of the day - the ECONOMY.
Nothing can be accomplished? That'd be funny if it wasn't so irresponsible. As jihmed14 pointed out in his post, neither of them are on the committees working on the agreement. Obama and McCain would be present to vote and to express their opinions. Have you bothered to pay attention to the gentlemen who ARE working on it? They know they're stuff and they are trying desperately, on a bipartisan basis, to put in some provisions that provide a little bit of protection for John Q Public.
As was suggested by a national news broadcast analyst, it appears that McCain is trying to run in and take credit for whatever agreement is attained. That's the real motive behind his wanting to cancel the debates..... that, and I'm guess that he doesn't feel he's ready and is try to buy time.
It is far more important for the undecideds of this country to have the opportunity to judge these two in a debate on the economy. NOW, at this crucial point.
As one congressman said to the media, "does John McCain think Congress will be working on this at 9:00 p.m. Friday night? They won't." So what does that tell you? McCain's been in Congress long enough to know how things "go". So that leaves two reasons for his DRAMA: 1. He wants to run in and steal credit for getting the agreement passed on a bipartisan basis as the political analyst pointed out or, 2. He's not ready for the debate.
I'm sorry, but anybody who falls for this charade has got to be deaf, dumb, blind, or a combination of all three.
I said something like that he wants to stake his claim of being a *MAVERICK* and it may work for those who may buy it.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
McCain is a far worse debater than Obama--and Obama's no Hillary. McCain not debating buys him a few things...one, he gets to try to look good by putting "the country first" to those who don't give matters a lot of thought, and it potentially buys his vice presidential candidate sorely needed time to prep for her debate.
Obama is right...presidents need to be able to multitask. Obama's taking care of matters having to do with the economy--putting the country first--AND he's ready to debate. Clearly, McCain is not--it seems to me he's afraid he's not going to look good next to Obama. They need to buy all the time they can get. This is about the only way they could hope to get the extra time with grace.
Obama can do both things at once and do them both well. Seems to me that McCain is making himself look weak and ineffectual with this ploy.
Obama should show up and answer questions from moderators whether McCain shows or not. One guy will show and be counted as wanting to let us know what he thinks, the other guy will just be In Hiding.
McCain is a far worse debater than Obama--and Obama's no Hillary. McCain not debating buys him a few things...one, he gets to try to look good by putting "the country first" to those who don't give matters a lot of thought, and it potentially buys his vice presidential candidate sorely needed time to prep for her debate.
Obama is right...presidents need to be able to multitask. Obama's taking care of matters having to do with the economy--putting the country first--AND he's ready to debate. Clearly, McCain is not--it seems to me he's afraid he's not going to look good next to Obama. They need to buy all the time they can get. This is about the only way they could hope to get the extra time with grace.
Obama can do both things at once and do them both well. Seems to me that McCain is making himself look weak and ineffectual with this ploy.
Obama should show up and answer questions from moderators whether McCain shows or not. One guy will show and be counted as wanting to let us know what he thinks, the other guy will just be In Hiding.
LMAO......you people make me laugh. You are missing McCains point completely. So sad.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
A senior White House official has confirmed to CNN that President Bush has invited both Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama to the White House to discuss the bailout legislation. Bush has also invited Congressional leadership from both parties to participate in the meeting.
McCain is a far worse debater than Obama--and Obama's no Hillary. McCain not debating buys him a few things...one, he gets to try to look good by putting "the country first" to those who don't give matters a lot of thought, and it potentially buys his vice presidential candidate sorely needed time to prep for her debate.
Obama is right...presidents need to be able to multitask. Obama's taking care of matters having to do with the economy--putting the country first--AND he's ready to debate. Clearly, McCain is not--it seems to me he's afraid he's not going to look good next to Obama. They need to buy all the time they can get. This is about the only way they could hope to get the extra time with grace.
Obama can do both things at once and do them both well. Seems to me that McCain is making himself look weak and ineffectual with this ploy.
Obama should show up and answer questions from moderators whether McCain shows or not. One guy will show and be counted as wanting to let us know what he thinks, the other guy will just be In Hiding.
I don't think this has anything to do with buying time. This to me is about coming out of this with the economic bailout passed as the hero that showed up and got something done. He'll get credit and show up before the debates.
I certainly believe he's going to show up, there's no way he'll let Obama have 90 minutes of free unabated airtime. No Way.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I said something like that he wants to stake his claim of being a *MAVERICK* and it may work for those who may buy it.
Peace
Same ballpark. And either way, same desperate, cheap trick.
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They are members of the U.S. Senate, and their presence is required for a vote.
Seriously, any Congressperson who is too busy to show up for what might be the most important vote of our lifetimes has no business being in congress in the first place.
do they need to be present? or do they even have to vote? maybe i'm misunderstanding here (and i'll fess up to that), but haven't obama and mccain both either not been present for votes or have not voted at all on some issues/bills/etc?
obviously i understand that the vote is important, i'm not denying that, but i am just curious as to the exact requirements that they either be in attendance or make an actual yes or no vote.
A senior White House official has confirmed to CNN that President Bush has invited both Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama to the White House to discuss the bailout legislation. Bush has also invited Congressional leadership from both parties to participate in the meeting.
I think this gives Obama an opening. He can now head to Washington w/o capitulating to McCain's demands.
As much as I would love for this move not to work, I'm worried that this may prove to be a brilliant move on McCain's part. In fact, I really don't see what he has to lose here. He has been sliding in the polls, and this gives him a chance to regroup.
On the other hand, practically speaking, I don't see how McCain can really help the situation more there than he could on the trail. I believe Obama has made the right choice logically speaking, but as we all know, the American people don't always follow logic. :rolleyes:
I think this is actually a good idea.
and i believe McCain actually thinks it is.
I also certainly believe it was an attempt at political showmanship,
but it is VERY important for congress and the senate to come to agreement and get a bailout passed.
Unless ya'll are suddenly ready to man through a (what i have been endlessly told is an imaginary) depression like REAL americans, now.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
I think this is actually a good idea.
and i believe McCain actually thinks it is.
I also certainly believe it was an attempt at political showmanship,
but it is VERY important for congress and the senate to come to agreement and get a bailout passed.
Unless ya'll are suddenly ready to man through a (what i have been endlessly told is an imaginary) depression like REAL americans, now.
The country's been in the same condition for the last five days. We had 24 hours to act or the world would stop revolving. News flash: It's still turning, and it's damn hard to notice anything different. Is the world crashing down around you yet? Noticed ANY difference? (Well, okay...your stock-based IRA has probably taken a noticeable dive. To be fair, I also noticed that I could suddenly "buy low" and did just that...this crash has been not a complete disaster for me personally so far.) Other than that, there is no difference for me. No businesses are closing. Nothing is terribly different today in my daily life than it was 3 months ago, financially. Depressions isn't going to happen; something that makes some sense will be passed soon enough to save us from the an economic Snidely Whiplash.
NOW McCain wants to get serious?? NOW McCain has to be in Washington or the world will fall down??? Senate Banking Committee Chairman Dodd says McCain hasn't called him once in the five days of the crisis, although Obama and other who are ACTUALLY concerned have been in close contact. How come McCain, this very evening, is sitting in New York if he so desperately has to be in Washington? How come other senators have been working for 5 days around the clock and McCain hasn't even picked up the phone? He's been crying too hard over the economy? Please. McCain likes games. He's not a serious man. He thinks it's a good idea to rescue his failing bid for the presidency is what McCain thinks.
do they need to be present? or do they even have to vote? maybe i'm misunderstanding here (and i'll fess up to that), but haven't obama and mccain both either not been present for votes or have not voted at all on some issues/bills/etc?
obviously i understand that the vote is important, i'm not denying that, but i am just curious as to the exact requirements that they either be in attendance or make an actual yes or no vote.
Well, Obama has to BE present to vote present ... right
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
slightofjeff couldn't take any more. Looks like he left the board for the time being. He and cincybearcat think we're all "elitist" because we don't fall for McPalin and their bullshit and nobody likes what they don't understand.............
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"peace"
Sorry I couldn't be here 24/7. Should I give you my cell number? Sheesh.
And if you can find one instance of me calling ANYONE on this board elitist, I'll give you a million dollars.
That buys a lot of arugula and brie
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
No offense, man, but you've got to ease up on those talking points a bit. Just because Senator McCain says it doesn't make it true, just like when Senator Obama says something doesn't make it true.
I'm wondering when it was today, after a week of frantic activity regarding the crisis on Wall Street and the proposed bailout, after all that, McCain, who's not as far as I know a member of the Banking and Finance Committee...he suddenly had this realization that he was needed in Washington. Was it during debate prep? He's meeting with Bono? I think even the most conservative observer would have to view this as being at least in large part political posturing.
There are rumblings that several congressional leaders ... including Harry Reid ... urged McCain back to Washington. Regardless of his faults, he DOES have a history of marshaling bi-partisan support on certain issues, and that particular talent of his will be needed in this instance.
This may be political posturing ... I won't deny that. But on the other hand, as I've mentioned earlier, it's also a pretty dicey political move.
He could come off looking like a "leader willing to put the country above politics" -- in which case he scores points.
Or he could come off looking like "the guy who brokered the largest, and most unpopular, bailout in U.S. history." And if that tag gets attached to him, he loses the election. (For those of you not paying attention ... conservatives HATE the idea of a bailout, especially as currently constructed. Passage of such a bill could lose McCain the support of much of the base he attracted via the Palin pick).
I'm not going to pretend like this move is 100 percent altruistic ... but he IS rolling the dice on his chances of becoming president, and I think the only reason you do that is if you really, deep down in your gut, believe what you are doing is the right thing.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
it's just another political move, one that i hope backfires in his face, much like palingate has.
besides, he probably has to coach palin before HER debate (you know, the one where biden rips her a new asshole?), and he figures by saying it's all about the economy, stupid, he'll guide attention away from the fact that his running mate is a psychotic moron.
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It's not clear what exactly McCain is going to do in Washington. He doesn't sit on any of the relevant committees and everyone is already deep in negotiations. Still, he's coming anyway. It doesn't make much logical sense. The only way to understand it is politically: In a presidential campaign, the surest sign that a candidate is playing politics on an issue is when he claims not to be playing politics on an issue...
It's hard to believe that McCain's actions would pass his own laugh test. In fact, he's often snickered at his fellow senators who come in at the eleventh hour to lend a hand after McCain has done the hard work. But the McCain campaign is past caring about how journalists (or colleagues) view his moves. He hopes the rest of the country will see this as a leadership moment."
it's just another political move, one that i hope backfires in his face, much like palingate has.
besides, he probably has to coach palin before HER debate (you know, the one where biden rips her a new asshole?), and he figures by saying it's all about the economy, stupid, he'll guide attention away from the fact that his running mate is a psychotic moron.
Your post is full of epic fail. Seriously. It might be the worst thing on the Internet.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
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The debates are an important part of the electoral process. There's no guarantee that they will miss the vote if they go ahead with the debate. I think they can both contribute their ideas while going on with the debate. I see no reason why they cannot. I would be furious if Obama agreed to the delay. That's cheating the US electorate... not that that's anything new really, but still.
You're right, neither McCain nor Obama is president yet, so why should either of them be swooping in, clearing their schedules to focus on such a crisis as if they were? These two are pitted against each other in a desperately important election that is neck and neck. They need to focus on that as opposed to some corrupt, band-aid corporate bail-out scheme.
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Give the guy a break, the reflexes slow with the advancement of age.
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Nothing can be accomplished on the campaign trail? You can't be serious. We're ONLY talking about the first debate between the men running for the highest office in the nation, on the most important topic of the day - the ECONOMY.
Nothing can be accomplished? That'd be funny if it wasn't so irresponsible. As jihmed14 pointed out in his post, neither of them are on the committees working on the agreement. Obama and McCain would be present to vote and to express their opinions. Have you bothered to pay attention to the gentlemen who ARE working on it? They know they're stuff and they are trying desperately, on a bipartisan basis, to put in some provisions that provide a little bit of protection for John Q Public.
As was suggested by a national news broadcast analyst, it appears that McCain is trying to run in and take credit for whatever agreement is attained. That's the real motive behind his wanting to cancel the debates..... that, and I'm guess that he doesn't feel he's ready and is try to buy time.
It is far more important for the undecideds of this country to have the opportunity to judge these two in a debate on the economy. NOW, at this crucial point.
As one congressman said to the media, "does John McCain think Congress will be working on this at 9:00 p.m. Friday night? They won't." So what does that tell you? McCain's been in Congress long enough to know how things "go". So that leaves two reasons for his DRAMA: 1. He wants to run in and steal credit for getting the agreement passed on a bipartisan basis as the political analyst pointed out or, 2. He's not ready for the debate.
I'm sorry, but anybody who falls for this charade has got to be deaf, dumb, blind, or a combination of all three.
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http://www.johnnyfirecloud.com/politics/2008/09/time-out/
Nice political ploy because this bailout will pass he'll get credit and show up at the debate as that Maverick on the white horse hero.
Look for a huge boost in the those hideous polls come next week for McCain. Could be a brilliant move, stay tuned.
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As per g under p
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Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
McCain AND Obama are Sanators. This Financial situation includes them 100%. Its part of their job to get involved in it. Its a smart move by McCain to sugest this. Its a extremely important situation going on here. Do you read the news?
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I said something like that he wants to stake his claim of being a *MAVERICK* and it may work for those who may buy it.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Obama is right...presidents need to be able to multitask. Obama's taking care of matters having to do with the economy--putting the country first--AND he's ready to debate. Clearly, McCain is not--it seems to me he's afraid he's not going to look good next to Obama. They need to buy all the time they can get. This is about the only way they could hope to get the extra time with grace.
Obama can do both things at once and do them both well. Seems to me that McCain is making himself look weak and ineffectual with this ploy.
Obama should show up and answer questions from moderators whether McCain shows or not. One guy will show and be counted as wanting to let us know what he thinks, the other guy will just be In Hiding.
LMAO......you people make me laugh. You are missing McCains point completely. So sad.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/pres-bush-invites-mccain-obama-to-white-house/
A senior White House official has confirmed to CNN that President Bush has invited both Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama to the White House to discuss the bailout legislation. Bush has also invited Congressional leadership from both parties to participate in the meeting.
I guess he can't focus on two things at once...
I don't think this has anything to do with buying time. This to me is about coming out of this with the economic bailout passed as the hero that showed up and got something done. He'll get credit and show up before the debates.
I certainly believe he's going to show up, there's no way he'll let Obama have 90 minutes of free unabated airtime. No Way.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Same ballpark. And either way, same desperate, cheap trick.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
do they need to be present? or do they even have to vote? maybe i'm misunderstanding here (and i'll fess up to that), but haven't obama and mccain both either not been present for votes or have not voted at all on some issues/bills/etc?
obviously i understand that the vote is important, i'm not denying that, but i am just curious as to the exact requirements that they either be in attendance or make an actual yes or no vote.
I think this gives Obama an opening. He can now head to Washington w/o capitulating to McCain's demands.
As much as I would love for this move not to work, I'm worried that this may prove to be a brilliant move on McCain's part. In fact, I really don't see what he has to lose here. He has been sliding in the polls, and this gives him a chance to regroup.
On the other hand, practically speaking, I don't see how McCain can really help the situation more there than he could on the trail. I believe Obama has made the right choice logically speaking, but as we all know, the American people don't always follow logic. :rolleyes:
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- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
and i believe McCain actually thinks it is.
I also certainly believe it was an attempt at political showmanship,
but it is VERY important for congress and the senate to come to agreement and get a bailout passed.
Unless ya'll are suddenly ready to man through a (what i have been endlessly told is an imaginary) depression like REAL americans, now.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The country's been in the same condition for the last five days. We had 24 hours to act or the world would stop revolving. News flash: It's still turning, and it's damn hard to notice anything different. Is the world crashing down around you yet? Noticed ANY difference? (Well, okay...your stock-based IRA has probably taken a noticeable dive. To be fair, I also noticed that I could suddenly "buy low" and did just that...this crash has been not a complete disaster for me personally so far.) Other than that, there is no difference for me. No businesses are closing. Nothing is terribly different today in my daily life than it was 3 months ago, financially. Depressions isn't going to happen; something that makes some sense will be passed soon enough to save us from the an economic Snidely Whiplash.
NOW McCain wants to get serious?? NOW McCain has to be in Washington or the world will fall down??? Senate Banking Committee Chairman Dodd says McCain hasn't called him once in the five days of the crisis, although Obama and other who are ACTUALLY concerned have been in close contact. How come McCain, this very evening, is sitting in New York if he so desperately has to be in Washington? How come other senators have been working for 5 days around the clock and McCain hasn't even picked up the phone? He's been crying too hard over the economy? Please. McCain likes games. He's not a serious man. He thinks it's a good idea to rescue his failing bid for the presidency is what McCain thinks.
That's rich! Thanks for posting!
Well, Obama has to BE present to vote present ... right
for the least they could possibly do
Sorry I couldn't be here 24/7. Should I give you my cell number? Sheesh.
And if you can find one instance of me calling ANYONE on this board elitist, I'll give you a million dollars.
That buys a lot of arugula and brie
for the least they could possibly do
There are rumblings that several congressional leaders ... including Harry Reid ... urged McCain back to Washington. Regardless of his faults, he DOES have a history of marshaling bi-partisan support on certain issues, and that particular talent of his will be needed in this instance.
This may be political posturing ... I won't deny that. But on the other hand, as I've mentioned earlier, it's also a pretty dicey political move.
He could come off looking like a "leader willing to put the country above politics" -- in which case he scores points.
Or he could come off looking like "the guy who brokered the largest, and most unpopular, bailout in U.S. history." And if that tag gets attached to him, he loses the election. (For those of you not paying attention ... conservatives HATE the idea of a bailout, especially as currently constructed. Passage of such a bill could lose McCain the support of much of the base he attracted via the Palin pick).
I'm not going to pretend like this move is 100 percent altruistic ... but he IS rolling the dice on his chances of becoming president, and I think the only reason you do that is if you really, deep down in your gut, believe what you are doing is the right thing.
for the least they could possibly do
Hey, arugula is good stuff. Brie...eh....we can donate that to the little people.
Give them brie and muffin tops
for the least they could possibly do
besides, he probably has to coach palin before HER debate (you know, the one where biden rips her a new asshole?), and he figures by saying it's all about the economy, stupid, he'll guide attention away from the fact that his running mate is a psychotic moron.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
It's not clear what exactly McCain is going to do in Washington. He doesn't sit on any of the relevant committees and everyone is already deep in negotiations. Still, he's coming anyway. It doesn't make much logical sense. The only way to understand it is politically: In a presidential campaign, the surest sign that a candidate is playing politics on an issue is when he claims not to be playing politics on an issue...
It's hard to believe that McCain's actions would pass his own laugh test. In fact, he's often snickered at his fellow senators who come in at the eleventh hour to lend a hand after McCain has done the hard work. But the McCain campaign is past caring about how journalists (or colleagues) view his moves. He hopes the rest of the country will see this as a leadership moment."
http://www.slate.com/id/2200867/
Your post is full of epic fail. Seriously. It might be the worst thing on the Internet.
for the least they could possibly do