have you read any of the post here. Mccain or Obama is going to be the president, don't you think that they should be there for this.
To do what?
What does McCain offer besides a vote?
Does he have to go to Washington to Vote?
Has he voted on anything since running for President?
I'm sorry but this is nothing but a political grandstand on McCain's part. It's a front to look like he's coming to the rescue. It's an insult to both his job and his country.
He can do his country good by getting up there on Friday and debate.
Lay out his plan
Tell us what he can offer to solve this crisis.
America is looking to these candidates to explain this.
They are not needed on the Hill
All that is required is their vote and neither Obama or McCain need to suspend their campaigns to do so.
Once again...Does McCain have to go to Washington to cast his vote? He's been absent from voting for everything else since he started running for President.
What will his presence do in DC? It's not like McCain holds the key to solving this problem nor the presence to sway the vote in either direction.[/quote]
Actually, several people involved with the bailout have said McCain absolutely holds the key.
I'm too tired to repeat what I've already said ad naseum ... but if you want to see why McCain is vital to the bi-partisan bill -- aside from just showing up to click "yay" or "nay" -- use your little arrow key and read some of my previous posts.
I'm sick of repeating myself over and over.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
What will his presence do in DC? It's not like McCain holds the key to solving this problem nor the presence to sway the vote in either direction.
Actually, several people involved with the bailout have said McCain absolutely holds the key.
I'm too tired to repeat what I've already said ad naseum ... but if you want to see why McCain is vital to the bi-partisan bill -- aside from just showing up to click "yay" or "nay" -- use your little arrow key and read some of my previous posts.
I'm sick of repeating myself over and over.[/quote]
Ok Let's say that McCain holds the key to getting this bill passed. Tell me why he can't still debate on Friday night. I can understand if the voting will take place Friday evening then no the debate should be cancelled and both Obama and McCain should be there for the vote. The problem is that there has been no set day to vote. McCain is not on the committee holding the hearings so he can still prepare for a debate while keeping a close eye and in contact with Congressional representatives and senators. As I have mentioned already from the opinions floating around the air waves many voters see this in a negative light. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be involved to get the bill passed or wanting to be in washington but, in my opinion, calling off the debate so prematurely looks like a ploy. Whether it is or not I can't say with any degree of certainty but that is the signal it gives off.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
What will his presence do in DC? It's not like McCain holds the key to solving this problem nor the presence to sway the vote in either direction.
Actually, several people involved with the bailout have said McCain absolutely holds the key.
I'm too tired to repeat what I've already said ad naseum ... but if you want to see why McCain is vital to the bi-partisan bill -- aside from just showing up to click "yay" or "nay" -- use your little arrow key and read some of my previous posts.
I'm sick of repeating myself over and over.[/quote]
I've read your posts.
McCain will not decide this vote. He's a bigger fucking ego-maniac than I originally thought if he thinks his vote or presence is gonna sway this thing in either direction.
Niether McCain or Obama have to be there. They can lend their support, vote, opinion without having to go to DC and put the campaign and debates on hold.
McCain doesn't know fuck all about this issue or the economy...he's said it himself.
why does the bailout need to be rushed through right this very second? will our economy be any more fucked up than it is now if the bailout is approved on monday? how about tuesday? is there a point of no return here where the $700b won't do the trick? something this ginormous seems like it should be very well thought out and not just done to get it done. it should be done right with lots and lots of provisions put in place.
and does no one else think that gop people saying that mccain holds an important vote is just a ploy to get mccain's name out so that it is used in connection when it goes through. i can see the headline now "mccain's "maverick" vote approves bailout."
Republicans are trying to turn this into a conversation about whether or not John McCain should go back to DC during the crisis. Because that's the only angle from which they can view this as a positive move. But that's not even the issue! Of course he should go back to DC if he feels he needs to be involved in person. The real issue is:
- Does he need to suspend his campaign in order to be focused on the economy in DC? No, he should be able to multi-task from DC and Palin should be able to shoulder most of the campaign responsibility for a few days.
- Does he need to cancel a debate on Friday evening which even Republicans say shouldn't be all that difficult for him since it's in his "specialty", foreign policy? No, he could be in DC yesterday, today and tomorrow, sit in on all the meetings and learn enough about the economic proposal to cast his vote and and still fly down to the debate Friday evening. Supposedly, he doesn't need a lot of prep on the debate subject and he's probably completed most of the prep he does need.
- So then why do it??
Simple. They needed to find a way to cancel the VP debate. They thought the easiest way to do that would be if the Presidential debate somehow needed to be rescheduled - they would suggest taking the VP time slot. When you walk around with a singular focus like that in your mind for several days in a row, you end up jumping at the first perceived opportunity to implement your plan. I don't think McCain was afraid of debating Obama on foreign policy, nor does he believe he's needed in DC Friday evening, he just didn't realize how terribly this lame attempt at rescheduling would be perceived.
This bill is nothing more than another ploy to bail out the rich...add provisons, grants, earmarks to this thing to further big business and wipe up the blood, hide the body, and fuck the tax payer in the ass even more.
This bill will NOT save the economy. It's a quick fix and an even quicker hustle.
Don't believe the hype.
We need some answers.
Get McCain on TV and let him explain to us his plans.
It's almost laughable because McCain has no plan.
He's trying to look pro-active, like a Leader
He's masking the fact that he's actually inept and without any solution.
Again ... I'll ask, as I did about 10 pages ago ... why now?
About 10 days ago ... the fundamentials of the economy were strong ... now, we're on the verge of a depression and he needs to suspend his campaign.
(Not to mention he didn't support AIG's bail out, then he did support AIG's bailout, he stated if he were President, he'd Christopher Cox head of the SEC, but, you canot FIRE the head of the SEC as president)
If it were that important, why wasn't McCain back in Washington LAST week?
That's my biggest beef. That's why I feel it's a political ploy, and not some grand gesture which puts country first.
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"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
well, he was on the rachael ray show on monday. apparently everything was ok then...like it was the monday before, you know, the fundaments of the economy are strong?
and he was meeting with Bono yesterday ... Bono? Really? What, Bono told him he needed to be back in Wsahington? How come he doesn't feel the need to cancel the meeting with Bono yesterday to run back to Washington?
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
What changed between the last week and this week? His poll numbers have dropped and Palin's numbers among educated white voters have tanked (down 20%). The more those critical middle-of-the-road undecideds learn about her the more they don't like her = hide her (or at least don't let her speak ) and cancel the VP debate.
What changed between the last week and this week? His poll numbers have dropped and Palin's numbers among educated white voters have tanked (down 20%). The more those critical middle-of-the-road undecideds learn about her the more they don't like her = hide her (or at least don't let her speak ) and cancel the VP debate.
I thought McCain's campaign made a big deal about suspending their ads as of 5 PM last night.
Well, I just saw one on tv. Did they decide to scrap this whole suspension thing without telling anyone? lol
I think that McCain was referring to campaign appearances not radio, print or tv ads. Many of those ads have already been purchased so they will continue to run.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I think that McCain was referring to campaign appearances not radio, print or tv ads. Many of those ads have already been purchased so they will continue to run.
I could have sworn I read that they were temporarily opting to not run ads. However, that could have been someone's editorial comment. I can't remember the source.
I thought McCain's campaign made a big deal about suspending their ads as of 5 PM last night.
Well, I just saw one on tv. Did they decide to scrap this whole suspension thing without telling anyone? lol
And Palin is campaigning today as well...
Maybe just a "partial" suspension?
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I could have sworn I read that they were temporarily opting to not run ads. However, that could have been someone's editorial comment. I can't remember the source.
It may have just been an editorial comment. Ad space, be it radio, tv or print is purchase in advance, so that ad may have been bought and paid for weeks ago.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
This is what they told the Washington Post yesterday:
"NEW YORK -- McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt said the GOP presidential nominee had begun to take his television ads down unilaterally and said the Arizona senator is hoping that Sen. Barack Obama will do the same."
Republicans are trying to turn this into a conversation about whether or not John McCain should go back to DC during the crisis. Because that's the only angle from which they can view this as a positive move. But that's not even the issue! Of course he should go back to DC if he feels he needs to be involved in person. The real issue is:
- Does he need to suspend his campaign in order to be focused on the economy in DC? No, he should be able to multi-task from DC and Palin should be able to shoulder most of the campaign responsibility for a few days.
- Does he need to cancel a debate on Friday evening which even Republicans say shouldn't be all that difficult for him since it's in his "specialty", foreign policy? No, he could be in DC yesterday, today and tomorrow, sit in on all the meetings and learn enough about the economic proposal to cast his vote and and still fly down to the debate Friday evening. Supposedly, he doesn't need a lot of prep on the debate subject and he's probably completed most of the prep he does need.
- So then why do it??
Simple. They needed to find a way to cancel the VP debate. They thought the easiest way to do that would be if the Presidential debate somehow needed to be rescheduled - they would suggest taking the VP time slot. When you walk around with a singular focus like that in your mind for several days in a row, you end up jumping at the first perceived opportunity to implement your plan. I don't think McCain was afraid of debating Obama on foreign policy, nor does he believe he's needed in DC Friday evening, he just didn't realize how terribly this lame attempt at rescheduling would be perceived.
Yup. I can't even believe that some here are defending McCain's decision to do this. I know if Obama had done the same, I would be very critical of him. It still wouldn't make me change my voting preference. But I would be critical. I even said as much before Obama held his press conference and didn't agree.
It's time for the GOP supporters here to tell it how it is. Don't agree with everything just because you feel you have to. Grow some balls. Admit something is lame when it's lame.
if, somehow, they do delay Friday's debate, and a push is made to cancel the VP debate so we can still have the 3 presidential debates;
Can we then, once and for all, state that the McCain campaign is agreeing with everyone, democrats and republicans, that she is so incredibly unqualified to be a heartbeat away from running this country?
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Nobody is threatening to CANCEL the debates outright. Just postpone them until next week.
If the potential meltdown of the entire U.S. economy isn't a reason for postponement, what is?
ohhh noooo....the sky is falling....mccain needs to swoop in and save the day...
the economy will be fine...basically this is just a correction in the "free market"....these assholes on wall street gambled and lost...they made poor choices, thus they should grab their boot straps and pull themselves up...
also, I hear these toxic assets may end up "making taxpayers money in a few years"...well, if that's the case, then the fools that own them, should keep them and be happy....
I don't get this rush to bail out these companies who made poor choices...let the f-n free market do it's magic...
I'll say it again, mccain looks like a scared pussy, unable to chew gum and walk at the same time...
Hang on a second. The debate is on, right? McCain said he would debate if a deal is reached by Friday. I am reading a deal is imminent. Let's get ready to rumble.
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if, somehow, they do delay Friday's debate, and a push is made to cancel the VP debate so we can still have the 3 presidential debates;
Can we then, once and for all, state that the McCain campaign is agreeing with everyone, democrats and republicans, that she is so incredibly unqualified to be a heartbeat away from running this country?
finally Jimed14, i agree with you. it would show that to be true.
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Yup. I can't even believe that some here are defending McCain's decision to do this. I know if Obama had done the same, I would be very critical of him. It still wouldn't make me change my voting preference. But I would be critical. I even said as much before Obama held his press conference and didn't agree.
It's time for the GOP supporters here to tell it how it is. Don't agree with everything just because you feel you have to. Grow some balls. Admit something is lame when it's lame.
i am not for either Mccain or Obama but i still believe that they both should be there as teh possible future president. i will agree with you on on epart, i think the suspending of the campiagn is lame but i don't believe that it is becuase Mccain is wanting the VP "debate" to be cancelled.
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To do what?
What does McCain offer besides a vote?
Does he have to go to Washington to Vote?
Has he voted on anything since running for President?
I'm sorry but this is nothing but a political grandstand on McCain's part. It's a front to look like he's coming to the rescue. It's an insult to both his job and his country.
He can do his country good by getting up there on Friday and debate.
Lay out his plan
Tell us what he can offer to solve this crisis.
America is looking to these candidates to explain this.
They are not needed on the Hill
All that is required is their vote and neither Obama or McCain need to suspend their campaigns to do so.
What will his presence do in DC? It's not like McCain holds the key to solving this problem nor the presence to sway the vote in either direction.[/quote]
Actually, several people involved with the bailout have said McCain absolutely holds the key.
I'm too tired to repeat what I've already said ad naseum ... but if you want to see why McCain is vital to the bi-partisan bill -- aside from just showing up to click "yay" or "nay" -- use your little arrow key and read some of my previous posts.
I'm sick of repeating myself over and over.
for the least they could possibly do
Then how come there have been no articles written that this bailout vote needs Obama's vote?
Because he's not that important when it comes to bi-partisan legislation.
Even Bubba has no problem with pushing back the debate:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html
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Actually, several people involved with the bailout have said McCain absolutely holds the key.
I'm too tired to repeat what I've already said ad naseum ... but if you want to see why McCain is vital to the bi-partisan bill -- aside from just showing up to click "yay" or "nay" -- use your little arrow key and read some of my previous posts.
I'm sick of repeating myself over and over.[/quote]
Ok Let's say that McCain holds the key to getting this bill passed. Tell me why he can't still debate on Friday night. I can understand if the voting will take place Friday evening then no the debate should be cancelled and both Obama and McCain should be there for the vote. The problem is that there has been no set day to vote. McCain is not on the committee holding the hearings so he can still prepare for a debate while keeping a close eye and in contact with Congressional representatives and senators. As I have mentioned already from the opinions floating around the air waves many voters see this in a negative light. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be involved to get the bill passed or wanting to be in washington but, in my opinion, calling off the debate so prematurely looks like a ploy. Whether it is or not I can't say with any degree of certainty but that is the signal it gives off.
Actually, several people involved with the bailout have said McCain absolutely holds the key.
I'm too tired to repeat what I've already said ad naseum ... but if you want to see why McCain is vital to the bi-partisan bill -- aside from just showing up to click "yay" or "nay" -- use your little arrow key and read some of my previous posts.
I'm sick of repeating myself over and over.[/quote]
I've read your posts.
McCain will not decide this vote. He's a bigger fucking ego-maniac than I originally thought if he thinks his vote or presence is gonna sway this thing in either direction.
Niether McCain or Obama have to be there. They can lend their support, vote, opinion without having to go to DC and put the campaign and debates on hold.
McCain doesn't know fuck all about this issue or the economy...he's said it himself.
I'm sorry but I just don't buy it.
and does no one else think that gop people saying that mccain holds an important vote is just a ploy to get mccain's name out so that it is used in connection when it goes through. i can see the headline now "mccain's "maverick" vote approves bailout."
- Does he need to suspend his campaign in order to be focused on the economy in DC? No, he should be able to multi-task from DC and Palin should be able to shoulder most of the campaign responsibility for a few days.
- Does he need to cancel a debate on Friday evening which even Republicans say shouldn't be all that difficult for him since it's in his "specialty", foreign policy? No, he could be in DC yesterday, today and tomorrow, sit in on all the meetings and learn enough about the economic proposal to cast his vote and and still fly down to the debate Friday evening. Supposedly, he doesn't need a lot of prep on the debate subject and he's probably completed most of the prep he does need.
- So then why do it??
Simple. They needed to find a way to cancel the VP debate. They thought the easiest way to do that would be if the Presidential debate somehow needed to be rescheduled - they would suggest taking the VP time slot. When you walk around with a singular focus like that in your mind for several days in a row, you end up jumping at the first perceived opportunity to implement your plan. I don't think McCain was afraid of debating Obama on foreign policy, nor does he believe he's needed in DC Friday evening, he just didn't realize how terribly this lame attempt at rescheduling would be perceived.
power to the peaceful
Let's get to the root of this thing.
This bill is nothing more than another ploy to bail out the rich...add provisons, grants, earmarks to this thing to further big business and wipe up the blood, hide the body, and fuck the tax payer in the ass even more.
This bill will NOT save the economy. It's a quick fix and an even quicker hustle.
Don't believe the hype.
We need some answers.
Get McCain on TV and let him explain to us his plans.
It's almost laughable because McCain has no plan.
He's trying to look pro-active, like a Leader
He's masking the fact that he's actually inept and without any solution.
About 10 days ago ... the fundamentials of the economy were strong ... now, we're on the verge of a depression and he needs to suspend his campaign.
(Not to mention he didn't support AIG's bail out, then he did support AIG's bailout, he stated if he were President, he'd Christopher Cox head of the SEC, but, you canot FIRE the head of the SEC as president)
If it were that important, why wasn't McCain back in Washington LAST week?
That's my biggest beef. That's why I feel it's a political ploy, and not some grand gesture which puts country first.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
http://www.rachaelrayshow.com/show/segments/view/john-and-cindy-mccain/
and he was meeting with Bono yesterday ... Bono? Really? What, Bono told him he needed to be back in Wsahington? How come he doesn't feel the need to cancel the meeting with Bono yesterday to run back to Washington?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
And why was he just last week releasing political ads on the economy if he thought this crisis required rising above politics?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH8pxzm9iwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjvzyFyMO-k
What changed between the last week and this week? His poll numbers have dropped and Palin's numbers among educated white voters have tanked (down 20%). The more those critical middle-of-the-road undecideds learn about her the more they don't like her = hide her (or at least don't let her speak ) and cancel the VP debate.
power to the peaceful
Exactly!!
Polls drop
Hail Mary Thrown.
I thought McCain's campaign made a big deal about suspending their ads as of 5 PM last night.
Well, I just saw one on tv. Did they decide to scrap this whole suspension thing without telling anyone? lol
was it a McCain ad ... or a 527 organization ad?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I think that McCain was referring to campaign appearances not radio, print or tv ads. Many of those ads have already been purchased so they will continue to run.
No, it was an "i'm john mccain and I approve this message".
I could have sworn I read that they were temporarily opting to not run ads. However, that could have been someone's editorial comment. I can't remember the source.
And Palin is campaigning today as well...
Maybe just a "partial" suspension?
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It may have just been an editorial comment. Ad space, be it radio, tv or print is purchase in advance, so that ad may have been bought and paid for weeks ago.
"NEW YORK -- McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt said the GOP presidential nominee had begun to take his television ads down unilaterally and said the Arizona senator is hoping that Sen. Barack Obama will do the same."
power to the peaceful
Yup. I can't even believe that some here are defending McCain's decision to do this. I know if Obama had done the same, I would be very critical of him. It still wouldn't make me change my voting preference. But I would be critical. I even said as much before Obama held his press conference and didn't agree.
It's time for the GOP supporters here to tell it how it is. Don't agree with everything just because you feel you have to. Grow some balls. Admit something is lame when it's lame.
actually, i beg to differ. i think many on the fence voters WAIT until the debates to decide how they're gonna vote.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
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I was wondering that too when I saw a brand new McCain commercial this morning. (Yes it was from the McCain campaign, not a 527.)
Can we then, once and for all, state that the McCain campaign is agreeing with everyone, democrats and republicans, that she is so incredibly unqualified to be a heartbeat away from running this country?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
really...? or are you being a drama queen...? I say drama queen...
again, I see you ignore the fact mccain can't focus on two things at once...I happen to find that ridiculous...not the most ridiculous thing ever...
I suppose simple minds can't understand to much at once...
ohhh noooo....the sky is falling....mccain needs to swoop in and save the day...
the economy will be fine...basically this is just a correction in the "free market"....these assholes on wall street gambled and lost...they made poor choices, thus they should grab their boot straps and pull themselves up...
also, I hear these toxic assets may end up "making taxpayers money in a few years"...well, if that's the case, then the fools that own them, should keep them and be happy....
I don't get this rush to bail out these companies who made poor choices...let the f-n free market do it's magic...
I'll say it again, mccain looks like a scared pussy, unable to chew gum and walk at the same time...
Yup! Eighty-six percent of voters still want it held or held and focused on economy. And 83% of Republicans!
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=54d651a7-a62b-4420-bb32-9dd6b2df8c02
power to the peaceful
finally Jimed14, i agree with you. it would show that to be true.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
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i am not for either Mccain or Obama but i still believe that they both should be there as teh possible future president. i will agree with you on on epart, i think the suspending of the campiagn is lame but i don't believe that it is becuase Mccain is wanting the VP "debate" to be cancelled.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)