McCain seeks to delay debate to focus on economy

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  • Taft
    Taft Posts: 457
    The first time I hear someone in the media describe this as "bold" and evidence of his "maverick" streak, I will be tempted to go on a shooting rampage.
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    PEPPER wrote:
    John McCain thinks it is more important that Senators do their job and return to Washington to work on the financial bailout. No word yet from Obama… He’s caught flatfooted again, he needs his handlers to tell him what to do and give them time to put it on the teleprompter.


    Yeah and old Papa Johnny is gonna ride on up to Washington on his Maverick horse and help solve the economic crisis with his brilliant ideas and detailed economic plan that up until late last week thought "The Fundementals of our Economy were Still Strong".
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Well, McCain is taking down his ads for the time being:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/McCain_taking_ads_down.html?showall
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    It's strategy, a hail mary. It's nothing else.

    sounds like cut and run to me.

    Yeah, but hail marys like this often seem to work, when you're talking about conservative presidential campaigns.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    digster wrote:
    Yeah, but hail marys like this often seem to work, when you're talking about conservative presidential campaigns.

    I'll be thte McCain campaign already had the "Obama doesn't care about you, he only cares about his candidacy" comercials already made up beore McCain came out and said this ...

    even McCain's own advisors were shocked by this
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    digster wrote:
    Yeah, but hail marys like this often seem to work, when you're talking about conservative presidential campaigns.

    especially when the majority of conservative voters are taken in by "Watch this shiny thing"!

    I guess the Palin Gimmick was starting to wear thin. Is it really going to be gimmick after gimmick until Nov 4?

    If he really wants to help, he and the vice liar should step down.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    especially when the majority of conservative voters are taken it by "Ignore that man behind the curtain"!

    I guess the Palin Gimmick was starting to wear thin. Is it really going to be gimmick after gimmick until Nov 4?

    I wonder if part of the delay tactic was to move back the VP debate as well ...
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    Is it really going to be gimmick after gimmick until Nov 4?

    You didn't really expect something else, did you?
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    McCain/Gimmick 08
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Smoke and Mirrors The foundation of Conservative Politics
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    It has finally dawned on me what is wrong with this country. For so long I have been blaming politicians for the ineptitude of our government but in reality it is the people of this country who are the problem. Hyper-partisanship is destroying this country and the idiots who swallow it up whole. Just reading through this thread and the ridiculous attacks on each of the candidates caused me to realize this. Oh my candidate is a maverick or my candidate stands for change. This candidate can relate to me because of their small town values. Wake the fuck up, these people can not relate to you. We are merely an end to their means. Can anyone tell me, in detail, what either candidate has planned for the future of this country. Can anyone tell me about any of their plans or initiatives. It is this my team mentality that allows the politicians to do the shitty job we have become accustomed to. It's beyond pathetic.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    there are so many inappropriate excuses i could come up for palin needing the vp debate to be postponed...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    JSBE wrote:
    you beat me to it.

    honestly, what will possibly get done in that 90 minutes on friday night that will magically help the economy?


    You really think all that goes into the debates is the 90 minutes you see? That's crazy talk.

    The candidates will put in countless hours preparing for the debate...a postponement would give them a lot more time to "help" the situation.

    Though, I don't really think we need more government politicians trying to fix the problem.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    Well, whether or not it's gimmick politics, nevertheless it happened. What does Obama do? In my mind he's got a few options.

    1) Agree with McCain, postpone the debate. He can't and should not do this because he would be playing right into McCain's hand on this issue. Plus, we're electing a new leader in 44 days. The American people need debates to make up their mind.
    2) Go ahead with the debate in Ole Miss. Can push for this, but may look like a bit of an ass who only cares about his candidacy.
    3) Move the debate to Washington, D.C. Obama gets to look like the guy in charge, saying that we can fulfill our obligations on Capitol Hill and then give the American people the debate they deserve.
    4) Say that since the economy is in such crisis right now, they should charge the focus of the debate from foreign policy to the nation's economy, so they can "talk directly with the American people about their ideas and solutions." This would really put McCain back on his toes. He couldn't say no, because then it would just look like he's avoiding the debate, but it's bad if he says yes, because he's a candidate who probably needs much more prep time on the economy than foreign policy.

    Obama, I think, should do 3 and 4. Throw this right back in McCain's face but knock him off-balance. Then McCain would be in the position where HE can't say no.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    digster wrote:
    Well, whether or not it's gimmick politics, nevertheless it happened. What does Obama do? In my mind he's got a few options.

    1) Agree with McCain, postpone the debate. He can't and should not do this because he would be playing right into McCain's hand on this issue. Plus, we're electing a new leader in 44 days. The American people need debates to make up their mind.
    2) Go ahead with the debate in Ole Miss. Can push for this, but may look like a bit of an ass who only cares about his candidacy.
    3) Move the debate to Washington, D.C. Obama gets to look like the guy in charge, saying that we can fulfill our obligations on Capitol Hill and then give the American people the debate they deserve.
    4) Say that since the economy is in such crisis right now, they should charge the focus of the debate from foreign policy to the nation's economy, so they can "talk directly with the American people about their ideas and solutions." This would really put McCain back on his toes. He couldn't say no, because then it would just look like he's avoiding the debate, but it's bad if he says yes, because he's a candidate who probably needs much more prep time on the economy than foreign policy.

    Obama, I think, should do 3 and 4. Throw this right back in McCain's face but knock him off-balance. Then McCain would be in the position where HE can't say no.

    Exactly...3 & 4 work. That would be a good, bold move by Obama.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    I get a little too tense watching political stuff as it happens, so hopefully someone will be able to fill in a bit what Obama's response is. Thanks
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    McCain never had an agenda. Foreign policy is about more than 9/11 and the surge in Iraq. You have Russian navy ships head to South America, Pakistan is shooting down U.S. spy drones and firing as U.S. soldiers, Afghanistan is a mess, North Korea has expelled all UN nuclear inspectors, Bolivia has expelled the U.S. ambassador.

    We need to hear the debate on foreign policy, because as the economy has an impact on such policies.

    Obama is running for President, if they want to substitute Palin, then Obama should let Biden handled Friday's debate.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Obama layin' it out now ...

    a future leader should be able to do more than one thing at a time, Obama can be on top of things in Washington while dealing with the campaign, he's told congress if he's needed, tell him and he would be there whenever, where ever he's needed ... but, it's more important than ever for the American public to hear from the 2 men that could be the leader of this country in about 40 days ...

    he wants the debate to go on ...
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Exactly...3 & 4 work. That would be a good, bold move by Obama.

    In practice, it would be difficult. Moderators have probably been preparing questions for weeks, venues have been set up, candidates have been preparing. But as far as politics goes, it's a smart move. And I have a feeling Obama will be much better off the cuff on the economy than McCain would be.
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    jimed14 wrote:
    Obama layin' it out now ...

    a future leader should be able to do more than one thing at a time, Obama can be on top of things in Washington while dealing with the campaign, he's told congress if he's needed, tell him and he would be there whenever, where ever he's needed ... but, it's more important than ever for the American public to hear from the 2 men that could be the leader of this country in about 40 days ...

    he wants the debate to go on ...

    I think this is spot-on.

    And damn right they should be able to multi-task. :D

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