that was fucking months ago ... are you kidding me?
oh, but, maybe you agree with McCain, countries like Germany and Spain ... we don't want to meet with their leaders ...
what the fuck you talking about. i was talking about teh guy who wrote that mccain had time to meet with Bono but wanted to suspend the campiagn. maybe you should read before posting.
secondly, stop trying to put words in my mouth, did i ever say that Obama or mcCain should not talk to leaders of other countries.
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In practice, it would be difficult. Moderators have probably been preparing questions for weeks, venues have been set up, candidates have been preparing. But as far as politics goes, it's a smart move. And I have a feeling Obama will be much better off the cuff on the economy than McCain would be.
Oh, I know it'd be difficult, because we'd get real answers to real questions instead of scripted answers to scripted questions.
It has finally dawned on me what is wrong with this country. For so long I have been blaming politicians for the ineptitude of our government but in reality it is the people of this country who are the problem. Hyper-partisanship is destroying this country and the idiots who swallow it up whole. Just reading through this thread and the ridiculous attacks on each of the candidates caused me to realize this. Oh my candidate is a maverick or my candidate stands for change. This candidate can relate to me because of their small town values. Wake the fuck up, these people can not relate to you. We are merely an end to their means. Can anyone tell me, in detail, what either candidate has planned for the future of this country. Can anyone tell me about any of their plans or initiatives. It is this my team mentality that allows the politicians to do the shitty job we have become accustomed to. It's beyond pathetic.
Amen.. every time you try to talk issues or policies it turns into party politics and name calling.... as I said, seeing these candidates come together and help structure and pass a bi-partisan plan to help stabilize and rebuild the American economy would give me some hope in this system....
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Obama was contacted by a republican senator about putting out a joint statement (forgot who it was, think he was from OK) ... Obama agreed.
Obama reached out to McCain early this morning
McCain claled back at 2:30
Obama stated that since they both agreed on many of the major princicples of a potential plan, they agreed on the joint statement, which is being worked on.
McCain offered delaying the debate ... Obama stated, let's keep working on the joint statement.
McCain then went on TV with the delay the debate announcement ... which ... took Obama by surprise.
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a future leader should be able to do more than one thing at a time, Obama can be on top of things in Washington while dealing with the campaign, he's told congress if he's needed, tell him and he would be there whenever, where ever he's needed ... but, it's more important than ever for the American public to hear from the 2 men that could be the leader of this country in about 40 days ...
he wants the debate to go on ...
Old School....Right on Right on, Obama appears ready to debate and "Get It On."
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Oh, I know it'd be difficult, because we'd get real answers to real questions instead of scripted answers to scripted questions.
I hope he does it, even if it does not come out in this particular debate. Whatever Obama does, he cannot give in. McCain did this exactly to show that he's the leader, and Obama's the follower, and Obama needs to put him back on defense. And as I said, I think Obama would do well in such a situation, because I think he would be better at detailing his plans, ideas, and the problems with the economy than McCain would be off the cuff.
Obama was contacted by a republican senator about putting out a joint statement (forgot who it was, think he was from OK) ... Obama agreed.
Obama reached out to McCain early this morning
McCain claled back at 2:30
Obama stated that since they both agreed on many of the major princicples of a potential plan, they agreed on the joint statement, which is being worked on.
McCain offered delaying the debate ... Obama stated, let's keep working on the joint statement.
McCain then went on TV with the delay the debate announcement ... which ... took Obama by surprise.
Think of all the wasted time preparing stupid joint statements...negotiating the details of every single stupid word...just say what you think.
it is crazy if you think that i'm not well aware that all that goes into the debates isn't just the 90 minutes we see.
is there no one else in washington that can work on the economy situtation/crisis other than obama and mccain?
Certainly there is...in fact I'd rather keep washington out of it personally. But I do see some serious value in having the 2 people running to be president be heavily involved and see where they stand.
BUt your statement specifically mentioned it being a 90 minute conflict, which isn;t accurate. Perhaps I misunderstood.
Personally, I think McCain is playing politics with this current "crisis"....
I think he wants to push the bullshit bailout and if it doesn't happen ASAP he'll sit back and blame others....but kudos to him for putting obama in a no win situation...
Since Obama insists on continuing with the debate on Friday, perhaps he and Biden can debate each other....clearly Obama and Biden have some issues to work out these days.
that's actually funny.
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McCain is really going to look like a fool who can't handle multiple issues.
Either way this going to be very interesting is this the beginning of the end for McCain?
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Personally, I think McCain is playing politics with this current "crisis"....
I think he wants to push the bullshit bailout and if it doesn't happen ASAP he'll sit back and blame others....but kudos to him for putting obama in a no win situation...
again, that's my opinion...
both Obama and McCain are playing politics with this crisis.
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It depends on how it plays. If McCain's sidestepping the debate because he's unprepared, and that's how it looks, it reflects poorly. If people see at as him putting 'country first', then it reflects well. I think there's no doubt that it's politically driven, and pretty sleazy, but still we'll have to see how it plays out.
I didn't get to see it; did Obama basically just say "we need to have this debate" or did he go any more in-depth about what his ideas on the matter were?
Either way this going to be very interesting is this the beginning of the end for McCain?
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I just don't understand ... I think brain of jlo hit the nail when she mentioned he was talking to Bono today ...
This crisis started early last week ... why NOW does McCain feel the need to run back to Washington and cancel the debate? Why make a statement that took everyone by surprise, not just Obama, but his own staff.
Honestly, this plan does need more vetting, if not, scrapped all together ... but ... why wasn't McCain in Washington LAST week if he felt it was so urgent?
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he said that if he is told he is needed, he will be there, but for now it is important for the campaign and debates to go on to see who is going to deal with this in the future.
I used to respect Mccain for his story, now I see him as a complete scumbag.
This announcement by Mccain is going going to crash world markets even further. It sends a message to everyone that, "wow, this crisis is so bad, that one of the guys in the know actually has to suspend his presidential campaign (an historical reaction) to deal with it”
Mccain is literally putting his politics above the sake of our economy. He is a disgrace.
I used to respect Mccain for his story, now I see him as a complete scumbag.
This announcement by Mccain is going going to crash world markets even further. It sends a message to everyone that, "wow, this crisis is so bad, that one of the guys in the know actually has to suspend his presidential campaign (an historical reaction) to deal with it”
Mccain is literally putting his politics above the sake of our economy. He is a disgrace.
Well, he does shoot from the hips. These are the types of unorthodox decisions (Palin as VP, delaying debates) that show what we can expect from a McCain presidency.
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I just don't understand ... I think brain of jlo hit the nail when she mentioned he was talking to Bono today ...
This crisis started early last week ... why NOW does McCain feel the need to run back to Washington and cancel the debate? Why make a statement that took everyone by surprise, not just Obama, but his own staff.
Honestly, this plan does need more vetting, if not, scrapped all together ... but ... why wasn't McCain in Washington LAST week if he felt it was so urgent?
Being that he came fromt the bottom of his Naval class he may have needed to tkae some time to study this whole financial and economic problem.
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I do have an honest question to ask Obama supporters...this law/bill they are trying to pass will be done in the next few days...maybe Friday is what I have heard....wouldn't you like your future president McCain or Obama to be in attendance to get a say in the wording and get a understanding on how it will be implemented..
McCain has said "I would rather loose the election then loose the war".....looks like a leader to me.
No, they have people there and technology that allows you to be anywhere.
And how does one "loose", I assume you meant lose an occupation?
I do have an honest question to ask Obama supporters...this law/bill they are trying to pass will be done in the next few days...maybe Friday is what I have heard....wouldn't you like your future president McCain or Obama to be in attendance to get a say in the wording and get a understanding on how it will be implemented..
McCain has said "I would rather loose the election then loose the war".....looks like a leader to me.
Not an Obama supporter but if the vote was to come down on Friday couldn't they simply fly to Washington vote on it and then fly back to Mississippi for the debate, or if the voting process was going to last into the night decide to cancel the debate at that time. I mean it's not like we are in the 1700's where they travel by horse and carriage and it would take days to get to DC. They could be in Washington in a couple of hours.
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Being that he came fromt the bottom of his Naval class he may have needed to tkae some time to study this whole financial and economic problem.
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I'd hope Obama would study up as well, hes had very little opportunity to deal with real economic decisions. Always aksing for money doesn't help one understand where money comes from.
I do have an honest question to ask Obama supporters...this law/bill they are trying to pass will be done in the next few days...maybe Friday is what I have heard....wouldn't you like your future president McCain or Obama to be in attendance to get a say in the wording and get a understanding on how it will be implemented..
McCain has said "I would rather loose the election then loose the war".....looks like a leader to me.
Obama said he could handle two things at once ... THAT sounds like a leader to me.
They have staffs in Washington, they are staiyng in touch. Obama stated he's talked with Paulsen several times over the last few days. Obama stated, if congress needs him in DC, he'd be there.
If anything, I'd argue that having McCain and Obama there would only upset the balance of trying to get this done ...
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Seriously, the fuckin egotistic, high and mighty, elitism spread on this board on a daily basis has to stop.
You are so much better than everyone else. Congrats. Where shoudl I mail you your fuckin cookie?
what the fuck you talking about. i was talking about teh guy who wrote that mccain had time to meet with Bono but wanted to suspend the campiagn. maybe you should read before posting.
secondly, stop trying to put words in my mouth, did i ever say that Obama or mcCain should not talk to leaders of other countries.
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Oh, I know it'd be difficult, because we'd get real answers to real questions instead of scripted answers to scripted questions.
no McCain did ... he was very hesitant to talk to the leader of Spain the other day ... (once he figured out who he was talking about)
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Amen.. every time you try to talk issues or policies it turns into party politics and name calling.... as I said, seeing these candidates come together and help structure and pass a bi-partisan plan to help stabilize and rebuild the American economy would give me some hope in this system....
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5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Obama was contacted by a republican senator about putting out a joint statement (forgot who it was, think he was from OK) ... Obama agreed.
Obama reached out to McCain early this morning
McCain claled back at 2:30
Obama stated that since they both agreed on many of the major princicples of a potential plan, they agreed on the joint statement, which is being worked on.
McCain offered delaying the debate ... Obama stated, let's keep working on the joint statement.
McCain then went on TV with the delay the debate announcement ... which ... took Obama by surprise.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Old School....Right on Right on, Obama appears ready to debate and "Get It On."
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I hope he does it, even if it does not come out in this particular debate. Whatever Obama does, he cannot give in. McCain did this exactly to show that he's the leader, and Obama's the follower, and Obama needs to put him back on defense. And as I said, I think Obama would do well in such a situation, because I think he would be better at detailing his plans, ideas, and the problems with the economy than McCain would be off the cuff.
it is crazy if you think that i'm not well aware that all that goes into the debates isn't just the 90 minutes we see.
is there no one else in washington that can work on the economy situtation/crisis other than obama and mccain?
Think of all the wasted time preparing stupid joint statements...negotiating the details of every single stupid word...just say what you think.
classy move!
Certainly there is...in fact I'd rather keep washington out of it personally.
BUt your statement specifically mentioned it being a 90 minute conflict, which isn;t accurate. Perhaps I misunderstood.
if we weren't in a 24/7, attention deficit disorder, updates every 5 minute society, it wouldn't seem that bad ...
50 years ago, it would seem that they were moving at light speed.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I think he wants to push the bullshit bailout and if it doesn't happen ASAP he'll sit back and blame others....but kudos to him for putting obama in a no win situation...
again, that's my opinion...
that's actually funny.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Either way this going to be very interesting is this the beginning of the end for McCain?
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both Obama and McCain are playing politics with this crisis.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I didn't get to see it; did Obama basically just say "we need to have this debate" or did he go any more in-depth about what his ideas on the matter were?
I just don't understand ... I think brain of jlo hit the nail when she mentioned he was talking to Bono today ...
This crisis started early last week ... why NOW does McCain feel the need to run back to Washington and cancel the debate? Why make a statement that took everyone by surprise, not just Obama, but his own staff.
Honestly, this plan does need more vetting, if not, scrapped all together ... but ... why wasn't McCain in Washington LAST week if he felt it was so urgent?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
care to elaborate...?
This announcement by Mccain is going going to crash world markets even further. It sends a message to everyone that, "wow, this crisis is so bad, that one of the guys in the know actually has to suspend his presidential campaign (an historical reaction) to deal with it”
Mccain is literally putting his politics above the sake of our economy. He is a disgrace.
Well, he does shoot from the hips. These are the types of unorthodox decisions (Palin as VP, delaying debates) that show what we can expect from a McCain presidency.
Being that he came fromt the bottom of his Naval class he may have needed to tkae some time to study this whole financial and economic problem.
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
No, they have people there and technology that allows you to be anywhere.
And how does one "loose", I assume you meant lose an occupation?
Not an Obama supporter but if the vote was to come down on Friday couldn't they simply fly to Washington vote on it and then fly back to Mississippi for the debate, or if the voting process was going to last into the night decide to cancel the debate at that time. I mean it's not like we are in the 1700's where they travel by horse and carriage and it would take days to get to DC. They could be in Washington in a couple of hours.
I'd hope Obama would study up as well, hes had very little opportunity to deal with real economic decisions. Always aksing for money doesn't help one understand where money comes from.
Obama said he could handle two things at once ... THAT sounds like a leader to me.
They have staffs in Washington, they are staiyng in touch. Obama stated he's talked with Paulsen several times over the last few days. Obama stated, if congress needs him in DC, he'd be there.
If anything, I'd argue that having McCain and Obama there would only upset the balance of trying to get this done ...
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez