Anyone can go crazy, even the most normal person. Guns are bad, they should be banned, thats the bottom line IMO.
Although, think about if one of those farm boys in one of those Va. Tech classrooms had a gun.......do you think he would have used it to take out the shooter? Of course he would have. Problem solved. People have the right to carry firearms. Once you decide to not let people carry guns, you have already made them vulenrable to gun violence.
I dont own a gun, have no need to own one. Sure, Cho was a resident alien, & probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. But why should the normal Joe not be allowed to protect himself just in case shit like this happens?
(and why cant teachers be allowed to carry guns?) just a thought....
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Although, think about if one of those farm boys in one of those Va. Tech classrooms had a gun.......do you think he would have used it to take out the shooter? Of course he would have. Problem solved. People have the right to carry firearms. Once you decide to not let people carry guns, you have already made them vulenrable to gun violence.
I dont own a gun, have no need to own one. Sure, Cho was a resident alien, & probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. But why should the normal Joe not be allowed to protect himself just in case shit like this happens?
(and why cant teachers be allowed to carry guns?) just a thought....
and if cho did not have a gun the "farmboy" would not need one...
Once you decide to not let people carry guns, you have already made them vulenrable to gun violence.
Lol, seriously... I just LOVE this argument! Keep it going!
So in order to keep people SAFE from guns, you must GIVE them one? Oh dear! If so many of you are NOT living in fear and all the gun owners are good decent people... why would they WANT a gun?
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Yet again, we need to make a distinction between what is normal or common and what is not. Any crime is NOT normal but a lot of them are common (muggings, etc.). What we are trying to say here is that as horrific and tragic these school shooting may be, when you have 2 a year for the past 10 years, it is no longer an unusual event. It is shocking every time... any violent crime is shocking every time it happens but why so much fuss about another school shooting? Because it is such a tragedy, we do not understand how, yet again, it can happen. Why haven't we learned from all the past shootings? What can be done? That's why it is debated and spoken about all over the place.. not because it is aberrent (because unfortunately, it is not) but because we can't understand why, and it is close to all of us.
I agree that we need to learn from the past shootings.
We're not going to agree on normal. People who see campus shootings as a normal part of American life have a very twisted sense of normalcy. They are an aberration.
So we can enjoy common ground in the hopes that we'll discover the underlying issues causing these loners and losers to kill people, but we apparently won't agree on what is normal in this country.
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You were right above when you said that one is too many. However, I count 19 on Dunkman's list. This suggests to me that something isn't quite right somewhere.
I'm not saying that America as a whole is to blame. I'm asking what is it about school/college life, or the school/college system in the U.S that may be partly to blame for this stuff. I could be wrong about it. I'm just probing. Some people on here have agreed with me. No-one has refuted my assumptions.
So, i'm still asking questions. Sorry if that offends you!
I stated in another thread perhaps, that college campus is an exaggerated view of real life. In real life there are people who rise to the top and become wildly successful. There are people who flame out and become horrible failures. There are people who make hundreds of friends and build a large social network. There are people who have a few very close friends and are content with that. There are people who are unable to relate to other people and hide inside themselves. In real life and on college campus, most loners and losers don't resort to killing people. And your initial assumptions revolved around his race, as if this were some natural product of racist American society. Yet run down Dunkman's list and tell me which of those campus shootings were a result of racism in the US? Why lead with that presumtion?
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I see redrock got to that one before me and pretty much said my opinion on that matter. If you snap, the average person will not know where to go NOW to get a gun to mass kill. It’s the same with drugs… unless you use quite often or know somebody who does you don’t have instant access to a dealer. Many will not sell to those they don’t know anyway… unless it’s on the street. I also don’t have a problem with screenings and waiting periods and all that. I can’t see the necessity of having a gun in the house but to compromise I would still accept your right as an American to have one… I just think it should be harder to get and I also think there should possibly be a psychological assessment before you’re entitled to one.
The truth is, you can get a gun as easily as you can get marijuana, in America.
Recurring trends lead to normalization. Recurring = normalization.
Normal: (as per dictionary.com)
- Conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
- Serving to establish a standard.
"Serving to establish a standard"
There you go... I take your argument and toss it in the poopie can...
Fine. Hailey's Comet sightings are normal according to that definition then? I would consider it a rare and abnormal event, not common, and certainly not the standard for me, but yet it is a recurring event.
So go ahead and view campus shootings as a perfectly normal, standard aspect of American society. It looks like you'll have company. But there are plenty of people who see these as an anomoly.
didn't you freak out on me for posting a vid of troops getting killed in Iraq? something the news does not show, but which has definitely become a normal occurrence in Iraq? Perhaps you are dodging reality?
Not really sure what purpose you had in bringing this back up. I was happy to let it die. You posted a link without any real commentary, of soldiers getting killed. I found your purient interests in the videos sick. Nobody was dodging reality. Nobody was denying soldiers are dying. I would have found a video of Iraqi's getting killed just as sick. I also recognize that children are being sexually assaulted but I don't feel the need to watch videos of the assaults. Is that a reality dodge? Or perhaps you're simply trying to justify your titillations.
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Fine. Hailey's Comet sightings are normal according to that definition then? I would consider it a rare and abnormal event, not common, and certainly not the standard for me, but yet it is a recurring event.
So go ahead and view campus shootings as a perfectly normal, standard aspect of American society. It looks like you'll have company. But there are plenty of people who see these as an anomoly.
Not really sure what purpose you had in bringing this back up. I was happy to let it die. You posted a link without any real commentary, of soldiers getting killed. I found your purient interests in the videos sick. Nobody was dodging reality. Nobody was denying soldiers are dying. I would have found a video of Iraqi's getting killed just as sick. I also recognize that children are being sexually assaulted but I don't feel the need to watch videos of the assaults. Is that a reality dodge? Or perhaps you're simply trying to justify your titillations.
some are not surprised...some are... some are shocked...some aren't...
blabbity blabbity...bla lol.... do you write the newspapers and tell them to stop showing Iraq going down the shitter?
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I agree that we need to learn from the past shootings.
We're not going to agree on normal. People who see campus shootings as a normal part of American life have a very twisted sense of normalcy. They are an abheration.
So we can enjoy common ground in the hopes that we'll discover the underlying issues causing these loners and losers to kill people, but we apparently won't agree on what is normal in this country.
I would love to be able to use the expression that these kind of events only occur once in a blue moon.. but even that is once every 2 1/2 years..
I think people hear about another campus shooting before the last one is forgotten.. they then seem to overlap. Coupled with the fact that guns are an american way of life (if we are to believe people on this board), you can understand why others may have a twisted view of what is 'normal' for the US.
There are lot of issues at stake here.. let's just hope another shooting like this is necessary to open one's eyes. Let's hope there will not be another debate like this one on the board. That's all I can say.
I still argue that if college students were allowed to have firearms that you would see an increase in gun related deaths on college campuses. Although I think there would be an increase in homicides and accidental shootings, I believe the suicide rate would be the biggest increase. College is a huge pressure to a lot of people, who have been told multiple times that if you do not succeed in college, you will not succeed in life, and you will have an miserable existence for how many years you unfortunately have to live. With the pressures of making the grade added to the effects of alcohol, the suicide rate alone would be enough to put a serious flaw on the argument that college campuses should have armed students.
I still argue that if college students were allowed to have firearms that you would see an increase in gun related deaths on college campuses. Although I think there would be an increase in homicides and accidental shootings, I believe the suicide rate would be the biggest increase. College is a huge pressure to a lot of people, who have been told multiple times that if you do not succeed in college, you will not succeed in life, and you will have an miserable existence for how many years you unfortunately have to live. With the pressures of making the grade added to the effects of alcohol, the suicide rate alone would be enough to put a serious flaw on the argument that college campuses should have armed students.
It's never going to happen. Enrollment would drop off significantly at any University that chooses such a preposterous measure.
he was an Alien? Fuck! there goes my fantasies about aliens having special powers, aliens need to use guns as well? wimps :(
"Bad" people have guns and generally shoot other "bad" people. And if they want to shoot "good" people, they're unlikely to give them a chance to shoot back. Its hard to get a gun in the UK if you dont know "bad" people well, and anyway very few really want one, we're not that scared.
Not having a go at you upina u know, you post fairly chilled and cool, but the bottom line is guns are for the weak.
Gun poofs:
You know why people from the UK post here? its not because they're in AWE of your amazing rights to own a gun...its because we really cant understand how you can be that fearful.
They might not agree but I know it ( forgive me UK )
. how do you have 2 people dead in a gun-related murder suicide with no gun?
and there is the question that I've been trying to answer as well. I can see from their thought process how they'd think murder suicide...but you'd think they'd check for a gun in that instance. And I'm not sure if they have even connected Cho to the girl yet. From the sound of things he wasn't too well liked so I can't imagine she was an ex-girlfriend.
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My son, who was just accepted into UCF and will start in August, received a call last night from UCF stating that they are reviewing security and emergency procedures to assure his safety as a student there.
perhaps some good will come of this?
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and there is the question that I've been trying to answer as well. I can see from their thought process how they'd think murder suicide...but you'd think they'd check for a gun in that instance. And I'm not sure if they have even connected Cho to the girl yet. From the sound of things he wasn't too well liked so I can't imagine she was an ex-girlfriend.
true, but i feel like you'd be able to tell pretty quick there was no gun and then your theory is gone. plus, initially they were saying they thought the perp had fled the campus. bottom line is somebody fucked up here. im not saying i blame them, i dont think ANYONE could have seen this coming and im certain campus cops have never ahd to deal with something like this. they made a bad call under a lot of pressure with horrifying consequences.
My son, who was just accepted into UCF and will start in August, received a call last night from UCF stating that they are reviewing security and emergency procedures to assure his safety as a student there.
perhaps some good will come of this?
I'm glad they're beefing up security measures, but so sad that they have to. Sad about the loss of life that led to this, of course, but also sad for the kids that have to deal with the aftermath. My daughter is graduating this year and heading to college, and one of the things she was looking forward to was not being subject to the security measures that they have at her high school. We haven't had any incidents in our city, but every year since Columbine they've added some new layer of security. I'm sure they have reason to believe they're all necessary, but it doesn't make for a good atmosphere in the school when there are metal detectors and guards posted everywhere, and she was happy about not having to be in that atmosphere anymore. Now it looks as though colleges will be heading in that same direction. :(
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and if cho did not have a gun the "farmboy" would not need one...
Exactly, however you are failing to realize guns are obtained easily. Since you cant change the problem, & We all know the NRA has too damn much influence & money to be stopped, you better start adapting.
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true, but i feel like you'd be able to tell pretty quick there was no gun and then your theory is gone. plus, initially they were saying they thought the perp had fled the campus. bottom line is somebody fucked up here. im not saying i blame them, i dont think ANYONE could have seen this coming and im certain campus cops have never ahd to deal with something like this. they made a bad call under a lot of pressure with horrifying consequences.
I agree.
On a different note, I'll also add it has been great to see the outreach from the universities around the area toward VT and see people put aside petty rivalries and really support VT.
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Exactly, however you are failing to realize guns are obtained easily. Since you cant change the problem, & We all know the NRA has too damn much influence & money to be stopped, you better start adapting.
"can't change" is very different from "won't change"...
if I read your response correctly, you're saying everyone should just shut up and go buy a gun...if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...that may be fine and well for some...but not for me...
the bottom line is this, guns are made for killing...plain and simple...they are made to project a hunk of metal into someone or something...they are used by small, weak people who need a sense of power (excluding cops and such)...it's kind of like the little guys who drive big trucks...
"can't change" is very different from "won't change"...
if I read your response correctly, you're saying everyone should just shut up and go buy a gun...if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...that may be fine and well for some...but not for me...
the bottom line is this, guns are made for killing...plain and simple...they are made to project a hunk of metal into someone or something...they are used by small, weak people who need a sense of power (excluding cops and such)...it's kind of like the little guys who drive big trucks...
and there you go, propogating the same thing the loonies on the right do in their "self-defense" rants: "this is a scary dangerous place to live in!"
The self-defense argument is a moot one that keeps this issue exactly where it has been at for the past 40 years in America. When both sides are crying fear (with guns/without guns) it is inevitably in the same context of a country that needs protection from it's scary self. It's a silly argument that both sides use.
Well, I don't find this country scary. I really don't. I don't ever expect to be in a situation where people are being gunned down, and wishing I had a gun on me. It could happen, of course, but I don't live in fear of it, and it could happen regardless of what gun laws are passed.
When everyone is packing it is a much safer place to be. Criminals have no idea who is carrying and are less likely to comit violent crime.
did you really think hard about this comment or are just saying this because you understand gun control is not only upsurd, but unethical...and radical...and uncomprehensible..
"can't change" is very different from "won't change"...
if I read your response correctly, you're saying everyone should just shut up and go buy a gun...if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...that may be fine and well for some...but not for me...
the bottom line is this, guns are made for killing...plain and simple...they are made to project a hunk of metal into someone or something...they are used by small, weak people who need a sense of power (excluding cops and such)...it's kind of like the little guys who drive big trucks...
How long have we been trying to "change?" i understand what you are saying...let me reiterate, I dont own a gun, dont have a desire to have one. But I am starting to rethink it............
Imagine standing in line at Target, and someone comes in and starts killing people. I would hope someone around me has a gun on them and is ready to use it.
Oh, you have got to be kidding if you think cops & such dont use guns for a sense of power and intimidation.
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Although, think about if one of those farm boys in one of those Va. Tech classrooms had a gun.......do you think he would have used it to take out the shooter? Of course he would have. Problem solved. People have the right to carry firearms. Once you decide to not let people carry guns, you have already made them vulenrable to gun violence.
I dont own a gun, have no need to own one. Sure, Cho was a resident alien, & probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. But why should the normal Joe not be allowed to protect himself just in case shit like this happens?
(and why cant teachers be allowed to carry guns?) just a thought....
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and if cho did not have a gun the "farmboy" would not need one...
So in order to keep people SAFE from guns, you must GIVE them one?
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I agree that we need to learn from the past shootings.
We're not going to agree on normal. People who see campus shootings as a normal part of American life have a very twisted sense of normalcy. They are an aberration.
So we can enjoy common ground in the hopes that we'll discover the underlying issues causing these loners and losers to kill people, but we apparently won't agree on what is normal in this country.
I stated in another thread perhaps, that college campus is an exaggerated view of real life. In real life there are people who rise to the top and become wildly successful. There are people who flame out and become horrible failures. There are people who make hundreds of friends and build a large social network. There are people who have a few very close friends and are content with that. There are people who are unable to relate to other people and hide inside themselves. In real life and on college campus, most loners and losers don't resort to killing people. And your initial assumptions revolved around his race, as if this were some natural product of racist American society. Yet run down Dunkman's list and tell me which of those campus shootings were a result of racism in the US? Why lead with that presumtion?
The truth is, you can get a gun as easily as you can get marijuana, in America.
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Fine. Hailey's Comet sightings are normal according to that definition then? I would consider it a rare and abnormal event, not common, and certainly not the standard for me, but yet it is a recurring event.
So go ahead and view campus shootings as a perfectly normal, standard aspect of American society. It looks like you'll have company. But there are plenty of people who see these as an anomoly.
Not really sure what purpose you had in bringing this back up. I was happy to let it die. You posted a link without any real commentary, of soldiers getting killed. I found your purient interests in the videos sick. Nobody was dodging reality. Nobody was denying soldiers are dying. I would have found a video of Iraqi's getting killed just as sick. I also recognize that children are being sexually assaulted but I don't feel the need to watch videos of the assaults. Is that a reality dodge? Or perhaps you're simply trying to justify your titillations.
it's much easier to get a gun i think. though more expensive.
some are not surprised...some are... some are shocked...some aren't...
blabbity blabbity...bla lol.... do you write the newspapers and tell them to stop showing Iraq going down the shitter?
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I would love to be able to use the expression that these kind of events only occur once in a blue moon.. but even that is once every 2 1/2 years..
I think people hear about another campus shooting before the last one is forgotten.. they then seem to overlap. Coupled with the fact that guns are an american way of life (if we are to believe people on this board), you can understand why others may have a twisted view of what is 'normal' for the US.
There are lot of issues at stake here.. let's just hope another shooting like this is necessary to open one's eyes. Let's hope there will not be another debate like this one on the board. That's all I can say.
It's never going to happen. Enrollment would drop off significantly at any University that chooses such a preposterous measure.
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I'm not saying it would. I'm just arguing why it shouldnt happen. I'm killing time before i go to work.
he was an Alien? Fuck! there goes my fantasies about aliens having special powers, aliens need to use guns as well? wimps :(
"Bad" people have guns and generally shoot other "bad" people. And if they want to shoot "good" people, they're unlikely to give them a chance to shoot back. Its hard to get a gun in the UK if you dont know "bad" people well, and anyway very few really want one, we're not that scared.
Not having a go at you upina u know, you post fairly chilled and cool, but the bottom line is guns are for the weak.
Gun poofs:
You know why people from the UK post here? its not because they're in AWE of your amazing rights to own a gun...its because we really cant understand how you can be that fearful.
They might not agree but I know it ( forgive me UK
and there is the question that I've been trying to answer as well. I can see from their thought process how they'd think murder suicide...but you'd think they'd check for a gun in that instance. And I'm not sure if they have even connected Cho to the girl yet. From the sound of things he wasn't too well liked so I can't imagine she was an ex-girlfriend.
perhaps some good will come of this?
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true, but i feel like you'd be able to tell pretty quick there was no gun and then your theory is gone. plus, initially they were saying they thought the perp had fled the campus. bottom line is somebody fucked up here. im not saying i blame them, i dont think ANYONE could have seen this coming and im certain campus cops have never ahd to deal with something like this. they made a bad call under a lot of pressure with horrifying consequences.
Exactly, however you are failing to realize guns are obtained easily. Since you cant change the problem, & We all know the NRA has too damn much influence & money to be stopped, you better start adapting.
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I agree.
On a different note, I'll also add it has been great to see the outreach from the universities around the area toward VT and see people put aside petty rivalries and really support VT.
"can't change" is very different from "won't change"...
if I read your response correctly, you're saying everyone should just shut up and go buy a gun...if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...that may be fine and well for some...but not for me...
the bottom line is this, guns are made for killing...plain and simple...they are made to project a hunk of metal into someone or something...they are used by small, weak people who need a sense of power (excluding cops and such)...it's kind of like the little guys who drive big trucks...
and there you go, propogating the same thing the loonies on the right do in their "self-defense" rants: "this is a scary dangerous place to live in!"
well, no, for the most part it isn't.
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Huh?
I'm still waiting for your definition of "target"...
target equals target.
what don't you understand?
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you...
and your posts...
Peace=Peace.
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do you....?
The self-defense argument is a moot one that keeps this issue exactly where it has been at for the past 40 years in America. When both sides are crying fear (with guns/without guns) it is inevitably in the same context of a country that needs protection from it's scary self. It's a silly argument that both sides use.
Well, I don't find this country scary. I really don't. I don't ever expect to be in a situation where people are being gunned down, and wishing I had a gun on me. It could happen, of course, but I don't live in fear of it, and it could happen regardless of what gun laws are passed.
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did you really think hard about this comment or are just saying this because you understand gun control is not only upsurd, but unethical...and radical...and uncomprehensible..
you really think your opinion is a solution?
How long have we been trying to "change?" i understand what you are saying...let me reiterate, I dont own a gun, dont have a desire to have one. But I am starting to rethink it............
Imagine standing in line at Target, and someone comes in and starts killing people. I would hope someone around me has a gun on them and is ready to use it.
Oh, you have got to be kidding if you think cops & such dont use guns for a sense of power and intimidation.
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