kids go to school to learn... and they shouldnt be so scared that they have to pack weapons... you know how much bullying goes on at schools... imagine if the bullied person, instead of telling someone or dealing with it... just decides to use their weapon
April 2007: A gunman shoots dead at least 20 people at the campus of Virginia Tech university in Virginia.
October 2006: A 32-year-old gunman shoots dead at least five girls at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, before killing himself
September 2006: Gunman in Colorado shoots and fatally wounds a teenage schoolgirl, then kills himself; two days later a teenager kills the headteacher of a school in Cazenovia, Wisconsin
November 2005: Student in Tennessee shoots dead an assistant principal and wounds two other administrators
March 2005: Minnesota schoolboy kills nine, then shoots himself
May 2004: Four people injured in shooting at a school in Maryland
April 2003: Teenager shoots dead head-teacher at a Pennsylvania school, then kills himself
March 2001: Pupil opens fire at a school in California, killing two students
February 2000: Six-year-old girl shot dead by classmate in Michigan
November 1999: Thirteen-year-old girl shot dead by a classmate in New Mexico
May 1999: Student injures six pupils in shoot-out in Georgia
April 1999: Two teenagers shoot dead 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine School in Colorado
June 1998: Two adults hurt in shooting by teenage student at high school in Virginia
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old boy shoots himself in the head after taking a girl hostage
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old shoots dead two students in school cafeteria in Oregon
April 1998: Fourteen-year-old shoots dead a teacher and wounds two students in Pennsylvania
March 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher in Arkansas
December 1997: Fourteen-year-old boy kills three students in Kentucky
October 1997: Sixteen-year-old boy stabs mother, then shoots dead two students at school in Mississippi, injuring several others
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Hey Dunk, I wouldn't bother getting involved, we both know that in a few more months there'll be another shooting in another couple of weeks and more americans will be on here crying and stuff. The same old cycle!!
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Hey Dunk, I wouldn't bother getting involved, we both know that in a few more months there'll be another shooting in another couple of weeks and more americans will be on here crying and stuff. The same old cycle!!
you know what... you're right!!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.
:eek: Is this SERIOUSLY for real??? :( :( Wow! No wonder shit like this happens :(
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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Why? What if it were extended to properly trained faculty only? Wouldn't that be better than being totally defenseless?
Isn't that a whole DIFFERENT argument? If the fucking students are allowed carry guns around on them, of COURSE there should be properly trained armed faculty to deal with that. However I'm completely against students being allowed carry guns to school/college... and wow, even just having to say that just seems so fucking sad :(
For fuck sake you're not even allowed a phone in most schools... why the fuck would you bring a gun with you?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Can you provide some evidence to support this statement? No. Oh, o.k. Thanks for the hot air.
As with most issues there are 2 sides...here's something that shows different conclusions on this issue...I haven't read them and don't have the time to, but really...if you were interested in some of this you can google it to find some information...like below there are articles in the stanford law review and you can google those articles.
The effect of various concealed carry laws are the subject of past and present research. In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, controversial pro-gun scholar John Lott's analysis of crime report data has shown some statistically significant effects of concealed carry laws. One major conclusion was that locations which enacted more permissive concealed carry laws had a decrease in violent crime, but an increase in property crime.
Don Kates summarizes the consensus reached by criminological research into gun control thus: "Unfortunately, an almost perfect inverse correlation exists between those who are affected by gun laws, particularly bans, and those whom enforcement should affect. Those easiest to disarm are the responsible and law abiding citizens whose guns represent no meaningful social problem. Irresponsible and criminal owners, whose gun possession creates or exacerbates so many social ills, are the ones most difficult to disarm."[7]
Regardless of the interpretation of statistics, the trend in the United States has been towards greater permissiveness of concealed carry. In Florida, which first introduced "shall-issue" concealed carry laws, crimes committed against residents dropped markedly upon the general issuance of concealed-carry licenses,[1] which had the unintended consequence of putting tourists in Florida driving marked rental cars at risk from criminals (since tourists may be readily presumed unarmed.) Florida responded by enacting laws prohibiting the obvious marking of rental cars. In 1991, the Luby's massacre prompted Texas lawmakers to pass a concealed carry law.
[edit] Related literature
* 1977 John Lott and David Mustard, “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 1998 Dan Black and Daniel Nagin, “Do Right-to-Carry Laws Deter Violent Crime?” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 1998 John Lott, “The Concealed-Handgun Debate.” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 2000 John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (AEI).
* 2002 John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime, Second Edition (AEI).
* 2003 Ian Ayres and John Donohue, “Shooting Down the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis, Stanford Law Review.
* 2003 Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, “Confirming ‘More Guns, Less Crime,” Stanford Law Review.
* 2003 Ayres and Donohue, “The Latest Misfires in Support of the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis,” Stanford Law Review.
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Do you guys really think that not being able to legally own a gun would stop things like this? Legally owning a gun doesn't make people lose their mind and go on a killing spree. And making it illegal isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and psychopaths either.
Gun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito
381-1675
A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.
House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.
The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.
Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.
In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
Do you guys really think that not being able to legally own a gun would stop things like this? Legally owning a gun doesn't make people lose their mind and go on a killing spree. And making it illegal isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and psychopaths either.
Hey Stace haven't seen you here in a while.
Anyway, it doesn't LEAD to the killing spree but it makes it EASIER to go on a killing spree It's just common sense really. Of course there are nutters everywhere, it's not just the US! But why is it mainly the US where we hear of these nutjobs going on a killing spree? Because they have access to such weapons. If he went into the school with a knife, he may have only injured a few people, killed one or two at worse before people can overpower him... but look what happens with a gun! :(
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
People here would be wise to realize that my right to own and carry a gun has absolutely nothing to do with this event, but that their decision to take my gun away from me will have everything to do with it.
Stop playing the gun control game until you're willing to own up to the machinations of enforcing your control.
someone is actually suggesting that if every student was allowed to carry a gun - this wouldn't have happened?? ...
that's pure brilliance
Yip this is what makes the gun argument so frustrating... cos you're dealing with ideas like that
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
People here would be wise to realize that my right to own and carry a gun has absolutely nothing to do with this event, but that their decision to take my gun away from me will have everything to do with it.
Stop playing the gun control game until you're willing to own up to the machinations of enforcing your control.
What? So you're perfectly happy with random psychos being able to walk into a shop and simply buy a gun?
Right!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
What? So you're perfectly happy with random psychos being able to walk into a shop and simply buy a gun?
Right!
What I am happy with or unhappy with does not provide me a lease on the rights of others. I'm unhappy with your post above. Does that give me the right to shut you up?
What I am happy with or unhappy with does not provide me a lease on the rights of others. I'm unhappy with your post above. Does that give me the right to shut you up?
her posts wont kill anyone
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Neither will 99.9% of the guns in America. What's your point?
0.1% will.. and thats too many..and its this great fucking place to play in Dublin
99.9%... did you pull that from thin air?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
People here would be wise to realize that my right to own and carry a gun has absolutely nothing to do with this event, .
But the right of the person who carried out the shooting (and others like him) to own and carry a gun did have everything to do with this event..... So.. do we choose the right of one to use a gun against another or the right of another to live?
As with most issues there are 2 sides...here's something that shows different conclusions on this issue...I haven't read them and don't have the time to, but really...if you were interested in some of this you can google it to find some information...like below there are articles in the stanford law review and you can google those articles.
The effect of various concealed carry laws are the subject of past and present research. In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, controversial pro-gun scholar John Lott's analysis of crime report data has shown some statistically significant effects of concealed carry laws. One major conclusion was that locations which enacted more permissive concealed carry laws had a decrease in violent crime, but an increase in property crime.
Don Kates summarizes the consensus reached by criminological research into gun control thus: "Unfortunately, an almost perfect inverse correlation exists between those who are affected by gun laws, particularly bans, and those whom enforcement should affect. Those easiest to disarm are the responsible and law abiding citizens whose guns represent no meaningful social problem. Irresponsible and criminal owners, whose gun possession creates or exacerbates so many social ills, are the ones most difficult to disarm."[7]
Regardless of the interpretation of statistics, the trend in the United States has been towards greater permissiveness of concealed carry. In Florida, which first introduced "shall-issue" concealed carry laws, crimes committed against residents dropped markedly upon the general issuance of concealed-carry licenses,[1] which had the unintended consequence of putting tourists in Florida driving marked rental cars at risk from criminals (since tourists may be readily presumed unarmed.) Florida responded by enacting laws prohibiting the obvious marking of rental cars. In 1991, the Luby's massacre prompted Texas lawmakers to pass a concealed carry law.
[edit] Related literature
* 1977 John Lott and David Mustard, “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 1998 Dan Black and Daniel Nagin, “Do Right-to-Carry Laws Deter Violent Crime?” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 1998 John Lott, “The Concealed-Handgun Debate.” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 2000 John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (AEI).
* 2002 John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime, Second Edition (AEI).
* 2003 Ian Ayres and John Donohue, “Shooting Down the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis, Stanford Law Review.
* 2003 Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, “Confirming ‘More Guns, Less Crime,” Stanford Law Review.
* 2003 Ayres and Donohue, “The Latest Misfires in Support of the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis,” Stanford Law Review.
Right, well, seeing as you haven't read the piece that you posted, let me sum it up for you. It's saying that criminals, or those otherwise irresponsible owners, are those who are less likely to give up their weapons when the law dictates that they do.
O.k, so we can assume then that any imposition of a ban on guns following a change in the law would take some time to fully enforce, and may in fact never succeed in being fully enforced.
Well, the same situation exists in pretty much every country in the world at the present time. The only difference is that gun crime isn't rampant in other countries in the way it is in America at the present time.
Too many what? A small percentage of "posts", meaning words, will lead to violent situations wherein people will die. A larger percentage of cars will lead to violent situations wherein people will die. Is your standard for determining what people have a right to do simply a question of whether or not they can contribute to murder????
99.9%... did you pull that from thin air?
No -- I rounded down. There are roughly 250,000,000 guns in America. About 10,000 people are killed a year using firearms, roughly.
Do you guys really think that not being able to legally own a gun would stop things like this? Legally owning a gun doesn't make people lose their mind and go on a killing spree. And making it illegal isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and psychopaths either.
this kid wasn't a hardened criminal. he was a crazy citizen who snapped. if he had not been able to go to walmart and buy a gun, 30 people would not have died. he would have had to suck it up like a big boy, or try this with a knife and gotten the shit kicked out of him. but a gun is instant power, with absolutely no training or responsibility involved. we make people get licenses for cars, to practice law or medicine, for most public service positions, and all of these licenses require training and testing. but any yahoo with a few bucks can go buy a piece of equipment capable of killing many with absolutely no training or learned responsibility. if that is not the very definition of unreasonable, i dont know what is. rather than having an unstable person who might try to kill somebody with his bare hands or a knife, you have an unstable person who can easily kill dozens with the twitch of a finger.
yes, criminals will still get guns. but the criminal trade in guns DEPENDS upon legal gun sales. we're not importing small arsenals of handguns from russia. the weapons here come from law-abiding citizens. ones who are careless and have it stolen, or strapped for cash and sell it, or just haven't committed a crime YET and buy a bunch of them. cut that supply off, and yes criminals will have the edge... for a short while. but as weapons deteriorate or are lost or confiscated, you're going to have a substantial loss in the supply. this is going to raise the black market value on them and mean that the only people who can afford to buy them are people who have the business sense not to use them... joe crackhead could not afford a gun and is back to trying to jump people, and joe fucked-up-schoolkid can't kill 33 people with his bare hands before he is stopped. unless he is a ninja.
Too many what? A small percentage of "posts", meaning words, will lead to violent situations wherein people will die. A larger percentage of cars will lead to violent situations wherein people will die. Is your standard for determining what people have a right to do simply a question of whether or not they can contribute to murder????
No -- I rounded down. There are roughly 250,000,000 guns in America. About 10,000 people are killed a year using firearms, roughly.
this kid wasn't a hardened criminal. he was a crazy citizen who snapped. if he had not been able to go to walmart and buy a gun, 30 people would not have died. he would have had to suck it up like a big boy, or try this with a knife and gotten the shit kicked out of him. but a gun is instant power, with absolutely no training or responsibility involved. we make people get licenses for cars, to practice law or medicine, for most public service positions, and all of these licenses require training and testing. but any yahoo with a few bucks can go buy a piece of equipment capable of killing many with absolutely no training or learned responsibility. if that is not the very definition of unreasonable, i dont know what is. rather than having an unstable person who might try to kill somebody with his bare hands or a knife, you have an unstable person who can easily kill dozens with the twitch of a finger.
I'll admit, I've never owned a gun (nor my parents) which is odd, because I am form the south and it seems to be a rite of passage here. What are the requirements to obtain a firearm? Can I own as many as I want and is there a limit to what I can possess? Is there any training required before one can own a gun? What laws are already on 'the books' and are they enforced?
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but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
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~Albert Einstein
It's not your choice to make, outside of the context of your guns or your life. Otherwise, "right" becomes meaningless.
Try telling that to the families... that they shouldn't have the choice to make it harder for potential psychos to get their hands on guns :rolleyes:
125million guns in the USS?? :eek:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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April 2007: A gunman shoots dead at least 20 people at the campus of Virginia Tech university in Virginia.
October 2006: A 32-year-old gunman shoots dead at least five girls at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, before killing himself
September 2006: Gunman in Colorado shoots and fatally wounds a teenage schoolgirl, then kills himself; two days later a teenager kills the headteacher of a school in Cazenovia, Wisconsin
November 2005: Student in Tennessee shoots dead an assistant principal and wounds two other administrators
March 2005: Minnesota schoolboy kills nine, then shoots himself
May 2004: Four people injured in shooting at a school in Maryland
April 2003: Teenager shoots dead head-teacher at a Pennsylvania school, then kills himself
March 2001: Pupil opens fire at a school in California, killing two students
February 2000: Six-year-old girl shot dead by classmate in Michigan
November 1999: Thirteen-year-old girl shot dead by a classmate in New Mexico
May 1999: Student injures six pupils in shoot-out in Georgia
April 1999: Two teenagers shoot dead 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine School in Colorado
June 1998: Two adults hurt in shooting by teenage student at high school in Virginia
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old boy shoots himself in the head after taking a girl hostage
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old shoots dead two students in school cafeteria in Oregon
April 1998: Fourteen-year-old shoots dead a teacher and wounds two students in Pennsylvania
March 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher in Arkansas
December 1997: Fourteen-year-old boy kills three students in Kentucky
October 1997: Sixteen-year-old boy stabs mother, then shoots dead two students at school in Mississippi, injuring several others
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you know what... you're right!!!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
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For fuck sake you're not even allowed a phone in most schools... why the fuck would you bring a gun with you?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Can you provide some evidence to support this statement? No? Oh, o.k. Thanks for the hot air.
As with most issues there are 2 sides...here's something that shows different conclusions on this issue...I haven't read them and don't have the time to, but really...if you were interested in some of this you can google it to find some information...like below there are articles in the stanford law review and you can google those articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry#Research_into_the_effects_of_concealed_carry_laws_on_crime
There have been many studies published in academic journals regarding the effects of various concealed carry laws on crime rate. Academics have also taken the debate outside of journals, writing books, blogs, and having debates on the subject.
The effect of various concealed carry laws are the subject of past and present research. In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, controversial pro-gun scholar John Lott's analysis of crime report data has shown some statistically significant effects of concealed carry laws. One major conclusion was that locations which enacted more permissive concealed carry laws had a decrease in violent crime, but an increase in property crime.
Don Kates summarizes the consensus reached by criminological research into gun control thus: "Unfortunately, an almost perfect inverse correlation exists between those who are affected by gun laws, particularly bans, and those whom enforcement should affect. Those easiest to disarm are the responsible and law abiding citizens whose guns represent no meaningful social problem. Irresponsible and criminal owners, whose gun possession creates or exacerbates so many social ills, are the ones most difficult to disarm."[7]
Regardless of the interpretation of statistics, the trend in the United States has been towards greater permissiveness of concealed carry. In Florida, which first introduced "shall-issue" concealed carry laws, crimes committed against residents dropped markedly upon the general issuance of concealed-carry licenses,[1] which had the unintended consequence of putting tourists in Florida driving marked rental cars at risk from criminals (since tourists may be readily presumed unarmed.) Florida responded by enacting laws prohibiting the obvious marking of rental cars. In 1991, the Luby's massacre prompted Texas lawmakers to pass a concealed carry law.
[edit] Related literature
* 1977 John Lott and David Mustard, “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 1998 Dan Black and Daniel Nagin, “Do Right-to-Carry Laws Deter Violent Crime?” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 1998 John Lott, “The Concealed-Handgun Debate.” Journal of Legal Studies.
* 2000 John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (AEI).
* 2002 John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime, Second Edition (AEI).
* 2003 Ian Ayres and John Donohue, “Shooting Down the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis, Stanford Law Review.
* 2003 Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, “Confirming ‘More Guns, Less Crime,” Stanford Law Review.
* 2003 Ayres and Donohue, “The Latest Misfires in Support of the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis,” Stanford Law Review.
Why would you need to carry a gun in school unless you live in a violent society? Please explain...........
Anyway, it doesn't LEAD to the killing spree but it makes it EASIER to go on a killing spree
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
that's pure brilliance
Stop playing the gun control game until you're willing to own up to the machinations of enforcing your control.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Right!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
What I am happy with or unhappy with does not provide me a lease on the rights of others. I'm unhappy with your post above. Does that give me the right to shut you up?
her posts wont kill anyone
Neither will 99.9% of the guns in America. What's your point?
0.1% will.. and thats too many..and its this great fucking place to play in Dublin
99.9%... did you pull that from thin air?
Right, well, seeing as you haven't read the piece that you posted, let me sum it up for you. It's saying that criminals, or those otherwise irresponsible owners, are those who are less likely to give up their weapons when the law dictates that they do.
O.k, so we can assume then that any imposition of a ban on guns following a change in the law would take some time to fully enforce, and may in fact never succeed in being fully enforced.
Well, the same situation exists in pretty much every country in the world at the present time. The only difference is that gun crime isn't rampant in other countries in the way it is in America at the present time.
Too many what? A small percentage of "posts", meaning words, will lead to violent situations wherein people will die. A larger percentage of cars will lead to violent situations wherein people will die. Is your standard for determining what people have a right to do simply a question of whether or not they can contribute to murder????
No -- I rounded down. There are roughly 250,000,000 guns in America. About 10,000 people are killed a year using firearms, roughly.
Precisely, yes.
It's not your choice to make, outside of the context of your guns or your life. Otherwise, "right" becomes meaningless.
this kid wasn't a hardened criminal. he was a crazy citizen who snapped. if he had not been able to go to walmart and buy a gun, 30 people would not have died. he would have had to suck it up like a big boy, or try this with a knife and gotten the shit kicked out of him. but a gun is instant power, with absolutely no training or responsibility involved. we make people get licenses for cars, to practice law or medicine, for most public service positions, and all of these licenses require training and testing. but any yahoo with a few bucks can go buy a piece of equipment capable of killing many with absolutely no training or learned responsibility. if that is not the very definition of unreasonable, i dont know what is. rather than having an unstable person who might try to kill somebody with his bare hands or a knife, you have an unstable person who can easily kill dozens with the twitch of a finger.
yes, criminals will still get guns. but the criminal trade in guns DEPENDS upon legal gun sales. we're not importing small arsenals of handguns from russia. the weapons here come from law-abiding citizens. ones who are careless and have it stolen, or strapped for cash and sell it, or just haven't committed a crime YET and buy a bunch of them. cut that supply off, and yes criminals will have the edge... for a short while. but as weapons deteriorate or are lost or confiscated, you're going to have a substantial loss in the supply. this is going to raise the black market value on them and mean that the only people who can afford to buy them are people who have the business sense not to use them... joe crackhead could not afford a gun and is back to trying to jump people, and joe fucked-up-schoolkid can't kill 33 people with his bare hands before he is stopped. unless he is a ninja.
but how many gun owners?
it is in a country that is ruled by a government based on democratic majorities
Roughly 100,000,000. Depends on whose stats you use. NRA would say about 125,000,000+, I've seen others as low as 75,000,000.
No. Democracy would be an inappropriate word there, unless you believe a lynch mob is a democracy. Rights precede democracy.
that's a lot of gun owners. im actually surprised we only have 10,000 gun deaths a year.
I'll admit, I've never owned a gun (nor my parents) which is odd, because I am form the south and it seems to be a rite of passage here. What are the requirements to obtain a firearm? Can I own as many as I want and is there a limit to what I can possess? Is there any training required before one can own a gun? What laws are already on 'the books' and are they enforced?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
125million guns in the USS?? :eek:
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you