Carter and Hamas

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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    GauchoB wrote:
    Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.

    Someone's gotta point all this shit out. I for one am glad Byrnzie's here to do it.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    GauchoB wrote:
    Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.

    2.375 threads a month doesn't seem like an obsession
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    GauchoB wrote:
    Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.


    You sound sound like those Americans that say being against the war is not patriotic.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads.

    So I'm 'Anti-Israel' because I'm against the occupation?
    And anyone who criticises the occupation of Iraq is 'Anti-American', right?
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Someone's gotta point all this shit out. I for one am glad Byrnzie's here to do it.


    Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    El_Kabong wrote:
    2.375 threads a month doesn't seem like an obsession

    Im not sure which of us has far too much time on his/her hands. With stats like that I say you win. Game over.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Open wrote:
    You sound sound like those Americans that say being against the war is not patriotic.

    Er, that would be more of a Texan thing to say and Texan I ain't.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?

    I take it you admit defeat and have no argument then?
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I take it you admit defeat and have no argument then?

    I have a job and need to go to sleep. Seriously you need to have a Rabbi over to your house to exorcize your Israel obsession. Maybe he can give you a briss too
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    One cannot read anyone's mind ... We can judge others based only on their behavior, which in the case of Hamas is utterly reprehensible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to them ... It DOES mean that some skepticism with regards to their true motives is warranted.

    do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    GauchoB wrote:
    Er, that would be more of a Texan thing to say and Texan I ain't.


    close minded you are.....that's universal unfortunately.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    GauchoB wrote:
    Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?

    Aggressive, aren't we? Also, calling Byrnzie a "whack job" for posting legitimate news stories seems questionable. Methinks you might consider bowing out of the thread sometime soon.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?

    No, I do not. I support the idea of a Palestinian state, in which the latter can dictate their own affairs. I also think that Israel DOES have a history of excessive military responding where diplomacy might be a better option ... On the other hand, inhumane actions on the part of Israel do not mean that equally inhumane responses on the part of groups like Hamas are warranted, and one can make the argument that there is a direct link between Israel's militarism and the fact that they do face a legitimate threat from terrorists. Israel's impetus to strike the Palestinians would disappear if Hamas were to cease its attacks, and then Israel's hand would basically be forced in the direction of peace, assuming that they are interested in such.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    No, I do not. I support the idea of a Palestinian state, in which the latter can dictate their own affairs. I also think that Israel DOES have a history of excessive military responding where diplomacy might be a better option ... On the other hand, inhumane actions on the part of Israel do not mean that equally inhumane responses on the part of groups like Hamas are warranted, and one can make the argument that there is a direct link between Israel's militarism and the fact that they do face a legitimate threat from terrorists. Israel's impetus to strike the Palestinians would disappear if Hamas were to cease its attacks, and then Israel's hand would basically be forced in the direction of peace, assuming that they are interested in such.

    thing is Hamas was born like in 87? ... that's like 20 years after occupation ... agreed that it's hard to sympathize with suicide bombings but how long are you willing to be oppressed before you fight back?

    it's not like a chicken and egg thing ... there was an instigator and it wasn't the palestinian people ...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    thing is Hamas was born like in 87? ... that's like 20 years after occupation ... agreed that it's hard to sympathize with suicide bombings but how long are you willing to be oppressed before you fight back?

    it's not like a chicken and egg thing ... there was an instigator and it wasn't the palestinian people ...

    But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.

    And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    polaris wrote:
    do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?


    Never said it was humane. Unfortunately Hamas has chosen war while Fatah is trying to obtain peace. If you choose war then people will get hurt. Their choice.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    GauchoB wrote:
    Never said it was humane. Unfortunately Hamas has chosen war while Fatah is trying to obtain peace. If you choose war then people will get hurt. Their choice.
    Israel has decided war. And why shouldn't they, with billions coming from the most advanced military machine on the planet. Its where they have the upper hand.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    reborncareerist wrote:
    But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.

    And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.

    An enlightened soul.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Commy wrote:
    Israel has decided war. And why shouldn't they, with billions coming from the most advanced military machine on the planet. Its where they have the upper hand.

    Israel is choosing survival.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.

    And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.

    but you are dismissing Hamas for what essentially is fighting back against their oppressors ... you want to marginalize them strictly as this extremist group ... that won't bring peace into the region ...

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